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  • To go or not to go? That is the question.

    I'm an individual from the 2nd group for the special registration with the INS.
    I want to comply and abide by the rule. (that is fair). Unfortunately, I don't trust the Service with what they would do to me.
    I have a case pending with them to adjudicate and change my status as of a legal immigrant.
    I have nothing to hide, and nothing to fear if they were juste.
    I fear of going to them just because of their record for aresting the individuals with almost similar situation vis-a-vis of the service.
    I have been detained by them once for few months. And, I would swear that I would rather face the oppression and the persecution in my native land rather than being treated as an animal and a non-human being by the NAZI-INS.
    So, what should I do?

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    I'm an individual from the 2nd group for the special registration with the INS.
    I want to comply and abide by the rule. (that is fair). Unfortunately, I don't trust the Service with what they would do to me.
    I have a case pending with them to adjudicate and change my status as of a legal immigrant.
    I have nothing to hide, and nothing to fear if they were juste.
    I fear of going to them just because of their record for aresting the individuals with almost similar situation vis-a-vis of the service.
    I have been detained by them once for few months. And, I would swear that I would rather face the oppression and the persecution in my native land rather than being treated as an animal and a non-human being by the NAZI-INS.
    So, what should I do?

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    • #3
      If the registertration requirement is part of the law now, you'd be obligated to do so (even if it means that you're eligable for arrest).

      If you believe that your human and civil rights are being violated, you could challenge the arrest or consult an attorney. Though, justice doesn't seem very "blind" at times towards certain individuals (and there are always some groups that are being targeteted), in the end it always prevail one way or the other...

      Good luck!

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      • #4
        http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums?q=...381#9226039381

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        • #5
          I went there yesterday. Same case as yours. Here's the deal: You know that if you don't go, your pending adjustment of status is history. Which means if you go for an interview in the future, they'll simply throw you in jail. If you go, make sure you have a good lawyer by your side and a few American Citizen friends to escort you in and hopefully out. Trust me, It makes a big difference if you're not alone. If you're married to a USC, make sure you're wife is there with you. What happen is that after they take your information, Finger Prints and photo, they'll forward your passport and I-94 to investigation, after a few hours, an investigation officer will talk to you after conducting a background check on you...If you're clean, you have a good chance of leaving with your passport in your hands, otherwise you're in for some serious trouble...
          Hope this helps and good luck!

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          • #6
            WhoCares,
            Do you mean to say even if you have over stayed your visa but your application is pending for adjustment (AOS). Also please if you can share what INS office did you go to?
            I would appreciate your comment.

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            • #7
              Thank you all for the replies. "Whocares", I honestly don't trust my current lawyer, but anyway, would you think that would make a big difference if I would have gone there with only my wife and few USC friends.
              What impact would it make by having my attorney accompany me?
              Another question. Since you said that you just went thru' the process. What papers and documents should I take with me. (That's besides my Passport, I-94, documents from the service stating my pending application) what else should I bring with me to the interview?
              Thanx a zillion!

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              • #8
                Here we go again. The Department of Justice announced on Monday, December 16, 2002 that Armenians would be subject to Special Registration along with Saudis and Pakistanis, only to withdraw Armenia from this unholy list on Wednesday, December 18, 2002.

                Why did this sudden about-face happen? Writing in the Los Angeles Times, columnist Steve Lopez says "It was all a mistake ... Or maybe it wasn't a mistake. I can't tell, and the really frightening thing is that the Justice Department can't seem to tell either." Why was Armenia put on the list in the first place? Mr. Lopez continues "This might be a simple case of someone in the Bush administration having flunked geography, and thinking Armenia was a suburb of Tehran. Other possible explanations? This was a wink and a nod to Turkey, a strategic ally that has a long history of conflict with Armenia. Or some mid-level weasel decided it would look bad to have only one other non-Muslim nation -- besides North Korea -- on the list."

                Be the causes as they may, it appears unlikely that any terrorists would hasten to register. Instead what appears to be happening is a round-up of immigrants, many of whom have pending adjustment applications, but are currently out of status. The unintended effect of such a round-up will likely be that the government will lose in its Special Registration initiative as more and more immigrants find out that attempting to comply with the requirement is a one-way ticket to deportation. The immigrants who decide not to register will also lose in that they will likely have to abandon their applications for permanent residency and join the gray underground where millions of undocumented immigrants toil in obscurity. This looks like a lose-lose situation for all parties involved.

                What's next? If the DOJ's Special Registration program continues down its present course toward a quagmire, it is likely that the cries alleging discrimination against Muslims and those of Arab origin will be heard at the Department of Justice. What will likely follow is Special Registration for everybody, all nationals from everywhere around the globe. When and if that happens, we will be only a short step away from Special Registration for all Americans and becoming a Nazi state.

                We welcome readers to send their comments to weeklyeditor@ilw.com.

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                http://www.ilw.com/immigrants/weekly/#editors-comments

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                • #9
                  Bring proof of residence, bank card, DOB of parents, work related documents...YES IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE NOT ALONE.

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                  • #10
                    Honestly, it depends on which INS office you go to and the person you speak to. Some INS officers are actually very nice people. I happened to deal with Dr. Evil so my experience wasn't great. Two people that I knew were there the same day, both students with I-20's and crrently enrolled in school=not out of status. They didn't have any problem at all.

                    If you are out of status and have an adjutment of status case pending, as I said before, they'll investigate your case.
                    It pays to live in New York sometimes :-)

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                    • #11
                      In Baltimore, MD persons who were out-of-status but were a beneficiary of an AOS (adjustement application) were not be placed in proceedings, but were referred to investigations.

                      In Cincinnati, OH a person with approved I-140 and AOS (adjustment application) pending was arrested at special registration interview, no bond. Another individual who was admitted on a visa waiver was removed without hearing even though he had an immediate relative adjustment application, based on a long-standing marriage, pending.

                      In Cleveland, OH all individuals with status violations were placed into proceedings. Detention was considered on a case-by-case basis.

                      In Houston, TX if the person was out-of-status, he was referred to Investigations to determine if an NTA should be issued. In most cases, a person out-of-status was issued an NTA.

                      In LA, CA early statements indicated that, if the individual "has ever been out-of-status", he will be detained and put in removal proceedings, even if an AOS (adjustment of status) application is pending. Later, LA indicated that it has prosecutorial discretion to proceed. After a background check is completed, bond will be considered.

                      In Minneapolis, MN three registrants taken into custody on 12/5. One had 245(i)-based adjustment pending and two were married to U.S. citizens with long-pending petitions. Handcuffed and separated from attorney. Threatened to set $10,000 bond, but eventually released on own recognizance at the end of the day.

                      In New York, NY out-of-status registrants were referred to Investigations for possible issuance of an NTA (Notice to Appear.) Investigations will use prosecutorial discretion in determining whether to issue an NTA, but most likely someone who has no application pending WILL be issued the NTA. Persons with a 245(i) application pending most likely will not be referred to Investigations, unless there is a "hit" from the computer checks. If there is a hit, most likely an NTA will be issued. Registrants who are currently in status, but have had past status violations, generally will not be referred to Investigations if they've since returned to the U.S. with the proper visa, waiver, etc. But the District does have discretion to put in proceedings anyone it feels is removable.

                      In Philadelphia, PA a registrant taken into custody despite pending 245(i)-based adjustment of status application. Eventually released and issued an NTA.

                      In Portland, OR persons currently out-of-status were referred to Investigations. Section 245(i) applicants were not automatically referred to Investigations, unless there is negative information in their record.Persons currently in status who have past violations were not referred to Investigations. If someone is currently out-of-status, or has a "hit" on his record, he will be detained.



                      http://www.shusterman.com/spreg-offices.html

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                      • #12
                        I turned in my appointment letter just before 8:00am on the 6th floor.

                        I was asked to fill out a sheet of paper about me and my parents.

                        A clerk called me up to the desk and asked me "Do you have your passport?"

                        I told her that I left it at my parents' house. Then she asked an INS officer next to her if it was alright that I did not have it with me. He then nodded his head signaling that it was okay.

                        I turned in the sheet and waited to be called upon. About 11:00am, I was called by an adjudicating officer. My attorney accompanied me, and we both followed the INS officer. The officer told me to remain standing, and to raise my right hand to be sworn in.

                        As far as I can remember, the events that follow remain vivid in my memory:

                        INS Officer: Got a job?

                        Me: I am self-employed. I sell and repair computers from a small office.

                        INS Officer: What is the address?

                        Me: I gave him the complete address. He was inputting all this information in the computer, although he already had some info pulled up on me with respect to my Late Amnesty application.

                        INS Officer: It appears that you filed an I-687? Do you remember what that is?

                        Me: I do not remember. What is it? It has been a long time (since 1990)? He then started checking the INS website, then printed a sheet and read it out aloud. It was something to do with legalization.

                        INS Officer: Do you remember what the status of this application is? It appears that this has been sitting for a long time and no decision has been made. It looks like the file was transferred to Missouri Service Center. When did you file? Did you move?

                        Me: In 1990. I was living with my family in California. I filed the application. I was attending Cal State. When I finished, I moved back to LA in late 1995.

                        INS Officer: Did you receive any decision from INS?

                        Me: No they kept renewing my EAD for awhile while the case was under litigation, and then they stopped. He then left the room for a while.

                        INS Officer: You are here regarding registration and any information is voluntary...........

                        After he asked the questions listed on the questionnaire, he gave the sheets for me to initial and sign. I reviewed them with my attorney, made minor adjustments, initialed the form and signed it. He had in his possession my CDL, EAD, and I-94.

                        He left the room again for about a few minutes.

                        He came back and stated that I would be detained, but that the good news was that I have a chance to see a judge. He stated that he would request the file from Missouri and then I will get my green card. He explained that I did the right thing by coming in today. The INS officers are just following the orders from Washington unlike what is mentioned in the LA Times. My attorney asked the officer if I could be released under my own recognizance. He indicated that this was not possible. He asked me to wait outside until I was called in.

                        My attorney and I waited outside until they called me at 12:40pm.


                        Detention Process: Tuesday Afternoon
                        While I was still on the 6th floor, they asked us to make one line. There were about nine of us being detained. The line started with one female inspector and finished with a male inspector. We proceeded to go into a conference room. We all sat in the same row and they had a pile of files and placed each one with the corresponding person.
                        The male inspector indicated that the reason we are taken into custody was because we have some immigration violations. He indicated that the correct procedure was to apply for an immigrant visa through an American Embassy or Consulate. The female inspector tried to comfort us indicating that everything was going to be okay. In my group, there were eight Iranians and an Arabian man. The male inspector then started questioning us starting from the first person in the row. The first Iranian person was upset and irate and demanded a refund for his EAD application fee because it was not accepted by the INS. Most of the group in my row had entered with a valid visa but overstayed. Most of the other men who were detained had pending I-485 applications and work permits issued through Laguna Niguel. One person to the left of me had entered without inspection. He told the inspector that he paid a smuggler $500 to come from Mexico.

                        When we were all finished, they asked us to stand up and proceeded to put us on handcuffs. They handcuffed two people together using the right hand of one and the left hand of the other. I was sandwiched between two other people because there were nine of us.

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                        http://shusterman.com/spreg-procedure.html

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                        • #13
                          "Foo" says,

                          "I fear of going to them just because of their record for aresting the individuals with almost similar situation vis-a-vis of the service.
                          I have been detained by them once for few months. And, I would swear that I would rather face the oppression and the persecution in my native land rather than being treated as an animal and a non-human being by the NAZI-INS."

                          Could you please elaborate a little bit what did they do to you when in INS custody? As to how they treated you, you know...

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                          • #14
                            What happened is something that I don't want to dwell about. I don't want to open that wound again. I'm left with the scarf of it inside me for the rest of my life.
                            It is not the deprivation of your rights or physical wound (they are not stupid); rather, it is the psychological torture. And yes it is a violation of Article3 of the United Nations convention against torture.
                            I will never forget it. The wound is already deep.
                            In grosso-modo, when an individual is detained by the NAZI-INS (and actually it is not them who detain you, instead, they are the County detaintion centers, and the Privately held prisons) the detainee DOES NOT LIVE, he/she ONLY EXISTS.

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                            • #15
                              I aint going after reading all this.. bottom line ..this system is designed to catch people who are out out of status.. it is discrimination .. why one country getes more time then the other..

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