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  • #16
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    It needs to be sent in? No it doesn't! It needs to be recognized that it can't be since the requirements are not met.

    So your saying its ok to put in the bogus garbage. Just put in what ever may fly. Lets create an environment where no one has the responsibility to be honest except when it is in their best interest.

    'facts' which are supposed to be those stubborn things? Such hypocrisy. Did you ever bother to read your own tag line? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Davdah,
    Fact is whether one is filing married filing separately or filing jointly, the taxpayer identification number must be provided. If someone is not eligible for a SSN, then a one need to apply for tax number, the ITIn. If the prson fails to place that number or apply for the ITIN, then a $50 civil penalty would be addressed. If willful neglect, a $10000 civil penalty.

    What she is doing is within the tax code Davdah. Once the ITIN is obtained, it will not make him more eligible for immigration or any other benefits, not would it make him eligible to work. It is simply a tax number the same way a SSN is a tax number.

    Davdah, I did not insult you in my posts. If you want to continue this belligerence, you run the risk, not me.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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    • #17
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by federale86:
      No SSN, no deduction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ever heard of an ITN or ATIN?

      They are taxpayer identification numbers that are allowed on the tax return. Hence, deductions could be allowed.
      "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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      • #18
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hudson:
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
        It needs to be sent in? No it doesn't! It needs to be recognized that it can't be since the requirements are not met.

        So your saying its ok to put in the bogus garbage. Just put in what ever may fly. Lets create an environment where no one has the responsibility to be honest except when it is in their best interest.

        'facts' which are supposed to be those stubborn things? Such hypocrisy. Did you ever bother to read your own tag line? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
        Davdah,
        Fact is whether one is filing married filing separately or filing jointly, the taxpayer identification number must be provided. If someone is not eligible for a SSN, then a one need to apply for tax number, the ITIn. If the prson fails to place that number or apply for the ITIN, then a $50 civil penalty would be addressed. If willful neglect, a $10000 civil penalty.

        What she is doing is within the tax code Davdah. Once the ITIN is obtained, it will not make him more eligible for immigration or any other benefits, not would it make him eligible to work. It is simply a tax number the same way a SSN is a tax number.

        Davdah, I did not insult you in my posts. If you want to continue this belligerence, you run the risk, not me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        HUDSON!!!!

        Dear God!
        Are You a Computer? Or Human Being? What Kind Of Life do You Live??? You are Like A dictionary! without Self, Without Humanity, Dedicated To a Program Without Diversification and Without Exploration! How Long Have You Been Fighting To Get Out of That BOX????

        NOT GOOD!!!!

        I Will Send You Some freedom Outside Of your World. Just Ask.
        USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

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        • #19
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">HUDSON!!!!

          Dear God!
          Are You a Computer? Or Human Being? What Kind Of Life do You Live??? You are Like A dictionary! without Self, Without Humanity, Dedicated To a Program Without Diversification and Without Exploration! How Long Have You Been Fighting To Get Out of That BOX????

          NOT GOOD!!!!

          I Will Send You Some freedom Outside Of your World. Just Ask.


          USC and Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who you blame!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
          I am neither. I am Vulcan
          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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          • #20
            There are illegals who have paid taxes to Uncle Sam who will never see the benefit. As Hudson said, if you can elect to pay in, you could deduct too. Should you? That's a moral issue, not a legal one.
            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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            • #21
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
              Is this so hard to grasp. Rewind the tape back to the beginning. The guy has no authorization to be here. Never did. He should not be filing taxes or causing anyone to receive any benefit for his illegal presence or activities. The income he received is illegally gotten. Not to mention the school benefits. And not registering for selective service.

              The principle should be to actively push for honesty and integrity. Not exploiting any and every possible loophole. The W-7 would still be invalid even if some likely bogus documents could be produced. Any activity that results in a refund should be considered aiding and abetting. Maybe a class action suite should be filed against the IRS for violating title 18 section 8. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
              Under IRC 61, illegal inocme is taxable Davdah. For instance, anyone who is convicted of embezzlement should receive a form 1099-MISC wit the embezzled income in box 3. The person would then be responsible for paying the tax. remeber, all income is taxable unless specifed under the code.

              Or here is another example. A USC earns 50k as a mechanic for company X but also receives $15k of under the table income. Should the inocme be taxable? Yes? Are there deductions allowed? Yes. Now, an illegal earns the same inocme under the table, $15k. Should the income be taxed? Yes. Is he required to file? Yes in omst cases. And could deductions be taken? Yes. The key here is the tax as under Title 18 you are speaking of and Title 26.

              This is not a loophole Davdah. This is an option open for anyone who has a spouse who is not eligible for a SSN. This could be for a USC living abroad and the foreign spouse will never set foot on US soil. Or it could be for someone who is out of immigration status.

              Immigration and taxes are mutually exclusive Davdah. In rare circumstances, they inteact, but not this case. Besides, we know he is in school. Nothing in the OP post indicates he worked. And we know he does not have a valid SSN, which means either he does not have one or he has one but is not his. By filing the tax return and electing to be joint, that is within the code, no loopholes.

              Again, keep the immigration status and the tax issue separate. they do not coincide in most cases.

              BTW, Section 8 of Title USC? Please specify the chapter or section Davdah?
              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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              • #22
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                It is legal. No right to be here. And the amount they pay in is far less than the benefits received in schooling, medical, and social services taken out. Not to mention the fact that a large portion of their pay is sent across the border. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                But this has notheg to do with the tax situation Davdah.
                "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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