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    Aliens are putting educated Americans out of work

    Donald Collins
    Friday, July 11, 2003


    When an issue gets really personal, such as having your son or daughter go fight the war in Iraq, you get involved. You pay attention. You care. Why aren't we paying attention to another invasion? This time an invasion of our own country. Let me explain.
    My sons, now both over 40, have been lucky about avoiding hot wars, too young for Vietnam, too old for the all-volunteer service.

    However, the current raging immigrant invasion of the United States has become for me very personal. One of my sons, an electrical engineering grad with 23 years of service to the same company and more than 30 patents to his credit, just sent me a letter in which he says:

    "My company is replacing 40 percent of our engineers with offshore people now at a 25 percent savings overall. Simultaneously, we are asked to work 50 to 100 percent faster. There will be burnout. These American engineers, who are advised they are to be let go shortly, have been instructed to train their offshore replacements. I guess there won't be as many affluent Americans to buy our products in the future."

    OFF TO INDIA

    A lot of this outsourcing goes to India. A June 18 Christian Science Monitor article reported "India Winning Higher Status Jobs From U.S." U.S. companies used to send mundane data-processing jobs there, but now more and more "U.S. firms are farming out much more sophisticated work ... taking advantage of skilled accountants, market researchers, and medical technicians ... who work for nickels on the dollar."

    The global corporations see the wage disparities and grab them. A table in this same CSM article cites the average salaries for Information Technology programmers (Source: CIO magazine, 11-15-02). A U.S. programmer makes slightly over $63,000 a year versus an Indian programmer who gets $5,880, a Filipino who gets $6,564, a Russian about $6,000, a Chinese about $9,000.

    So middle-class, educated Americans with advanced skills are hurt both ways. Aliens come in on temporary visas, particularly H-1Bs, or the lesser-known but fast emerging L1 visa program for "intercompany transferees."

    According to a May 2003 report from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, this program permits multinational companies to transfer employees from a foreign corporation to a U.S. branch, parent, subsidiary or affiliated entity for up to seven years.

    This L1 program parallels the offshore replacement my son is seeing at his company, where, as FAIR President Dan Stein notes, "Replaced American workers have ... been forced to train their foreign replacements before being shown the door." FAIR cites the latest figures: In 2001, 328,480 L1 workers entered the United States, as well as 384,191 on H-1B, plus 144,911 L1 visas were given to the spouses and dependents of the L1 visa "temporary" workers.

    We used to think we could bring in "cheap labor" to do menial jobs. Our affluents were delighted to pay low wages to immigrants, most of whom were uneducated and willing to do any job to escape the poverty caused by the uncontrolled burgeoning populations in many developing countries. Now, the people of the American middle class, the bulwark of our nation, are finding their jobs threatened two ways by the globalizing of the world economy: Smart, inexpensive workers now come here from overseas, as well as getting outsourced work from multinationals sent to them at home.

    SECOND-CLASS NATION

    Competition frequently sends production to the low-price producers overseas. So what do we do? If nothing, we are on our way to second-class-nation status. China and India are becoming huge economic blocs in Asia, while Japan, the once and future king of economic success, sits in a stagnant economic stew. Cheaper labor will continue to be a factor in economic decisions.

    What we need to do is stop bringing in unlimited cheap labor -- now well over a million a year -- for the short-term benefit of a few employers who claim the jobs these desperate foreign cheapies fill are ones Americans won't do. Americans won't pluck chickens for the $10 an hour now being paid. We need some immigration, but not 1.6 million immigrants a year, of which half are uneducated and here illegally.

    If we took in 300,000 aliens selected by reasonable standards, our needs would be met. We need to invest more in educating our own citizens, not importing cheap techies or sending many of our best jobs overseas and thus destroying our middle class and denigrating our hard-earned U.S. lifestyle.

    Too many U.S. citizens like my educated son are being jeopardized by globalization. The key message: It's not cheap labor we need, but more, faster automation. Unless we concentrate on better educating our own, putting renewed emphasis on higher-skill training of our own and installing more automation, more rapidly, every place we can, we will find our standard of living, our environment and our beautiful America ruined.

    We already have more people than America can serve at current standards. We will be generating more pollution and crowding than ever, more loss of open space. Those millions of illegal aliens who came initially to work at slave-labor prices since the law changed in 1965 mostly lack education, which results in little upward mobility generation to generation.

    Their growing frustrations will add more crime and instability. Another 130 million aliens will be here permanently by 2050 if we do not cut immigration by setting a national immigration policy. Think about this bleak picture and urge your leaders to take steps now to make U.S. immigration policies fair.

  • #2
    Aliens are putting educated Americans out of work

    Donald Collins
    Friday, July 11, 2003


    When an issue gets really personal, such as having your son or daughter go fight the war in Iraq, you get involved. You pay attention. You care. Why aren't we paying attention to another invasion? This time an invasion of our own country. Let me explain.
    My sons, now both over 40, have been lucky about avoiding hot wars, too young for Vietnam, too old for the all-volunteer service.

    However, the current raging immigrant invasion of the United States has become for me very personal. One of my sons, an electrical engineering grad with 23 years of service to the same company and more than 30 patents to his credit, just sent me a letter in which he says:

    "My company is replacing 40 percent of our engineers with offshore people now at a 25 percent savings overall. Simultaneously, we are asked to work 50 to 100 percent faster. There will be burnout. These American engineers, who are advised they are to be let go shortly, have been instructed to train their offshore replacements. I guess there won't be as many affluent Americans to buy our products in the future."

    OFF TO INDIA

    A lot of this outsourcing goes to India. A June 18 Christian Science Monitor article reported "India Winning Higher Status Jobs From U.S." U.S. companies used to send mundane data-processing jobs there, but now more and more "U.S. firms are farming out much more sophisticated work ... taking advantage of skilled accountants, market researchers, and medical technicians ... who work for nickels on the dollar."

    The global corporations see the wage disparities and grab them. A table in this same CSM article cites the average salaries for Information Technology programmers (Source: CIO magazine, 11-15-02). A U.S. programmer makes slightly over $63,000 a year versus an Indian programmer who gets $5,880, a Filipino who gets $6,564, a Russian about $6,000, a Chinese about $9,000.

    So middle-class, educated Americans with advanced skills are hurt both ways. Aliens come in on temporary visas, particularly H-1Bs, or the lesser-known but fast emerging L1 visa program for "intercompany transferees."

    According to a May 2003 report from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, this program permits multinational companies to transfer employees from a foreign corporation to a U.S. branch, parent, subsidiary or affiliated entity for up to seven years.

    This L1 program parallels the offshore replacement my son is seeing at his company, where, as FAIR President Dan Stein notes, "Replaced American workers have ... been forced to train their foreign replacements before being shown the door." FAIR cites the latest figures: In 2001, 328,480 L1 workers entered the United States, as well as 384,191 on H-1B, plus 144,911 L1 visas were given to the spouses and dependents of the L1 visa "temporary" workers.

    We used to think we could bring in "cheap labor" to do menial jobs. Our affluents were delighted to pay low wages to immigrants, most of whom were uneducated and willing to do any job to escape the poverty caused by the uncontrolled burgeoning populations in many developing countries. Now, the people of the American middle class, the bulwark of our nation, are finding their jobs threatened two ways by the globalizing of the world economy: Smart, inexpensive workers now come here from overseas, as well as getting outsourced work from multinationals sent to them at home.

    SECOND-CLASS NATION

    Competition frequently sends production to the low-price producers overseas. So what do we do? If nothing, we are on our way to second-class-nation status. China and India are becoming huge economic blocs in Asia, while Japan, the once and future king of economic success, sits in a stagnant economic stew. Cheaper labor will continue to be a factor in economic decisions.

    What we need to do is stop bringing in unlimited cheap labor -- now well over a million a year -- for the short-term benefit of a few employers who claim the jobs these desperate foreign cheapies fill are ones Americans won't do. Americans won't pluck chickens for the $10 an hour now being paid. We need some immigration, but not 1.6 million immigrants a year, of which half are uneducated and here illegally.

    If we took in 300,000 aliens selected by reasonable standards, our needs would be met. We need to invest more in educating our own citizens, not importing cheap techies or sending many of our best jobs overseas and thus destroying our middle class and denigrating our hard-earned U.S. lifestyle.

    Too many U.S. citizens like my educated son are being jeopardized by globalization. The key message: It's not cheap labor we need, but more, faster automation. Unless we concentrate on better educating our own, putting renewed emphasis on higher-skill training of our own and installing more automation, more rapidly, every place we can, we will find our standard of living, our environment and our beautiful America ruined.

    We already have more people than America can serve at current standards. We will be generating more pollution and crowding than ever, more loss of open space. Those millions of illegal aliens who came initially to work at slave-labor prices since the law changed in 1965 mostly lack education, which results in little upward mobility generation to generation.

    Their growing frustrations will add more crime and instability. Another 130 million aliens will be here permanently by 2050 if we do not cut immigration by setting a national immigration policy. Think about this bleak picture and urge your leaders to take steps now to make U.S. immigration policies fair.

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    • #3
      HOW DO YOU TRAIN A dish washer (US citizen)
      to be Doctor? you are out of your mind!
      use your head!

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      • #4
        We don't need 30 million dishwashers do we , they are not the jobs that pay the way in this country.So much for the crops to pick we will have no farmland to grow crops on in Calif SOON.


        Sprawl and Population

        Americans have finally noticed that our country is getting more crowded - public transit use is up, school enrollment is exploding, parking is getting more difficult and a host of related problems reduce the quality of life for everyone. The largest attention has gone to sprawl, the cancer-like expansion of suburban housing which creates the associated problems of disappearing open space and farmland, longer commutes by car and generally worse traffic. Even though the United States has added more than 120 million people in just 50 years, the subject of population growth rarely occurs in discussions of sprawl and gridlock - a curious oversight. California, which is the poster case of rampant sprawl's damage, has grown from an environmentally sustainable 10 million in 1950 to 35 million today. How can such growth be ignored?

        "Smart growth" purports to solve sprawl by mandating more densely populated cities surrounded by green belts of agricultural land and open space, aided by more public transportation. But "smart growth" only seeks to redirect growth, not to slow it. At the same time, the U.S. Census forecasts the U.S. will reach half a billion people in the lifetime of a child born today. Surely any approach to sprawl which ignores the population component is intellectually dishonest and will fail to solve the problem.

        Consider the following and decide whether it is wise to ignore America's overpopulation problem...


        "¢ The United States is growing in population by around 2.2 million persons yearly (more than half of which is from immigration) with no end in sight.

        "¢ California now has a higher rate of population growth than Bangladesh, i.e. 1.7 percent versus 1.6 percent.

        "¢ The Texas Transportation Institute reckoned that areas in the nation with "severe" and "extreme" traffic congestion increased from 14 percent in 1982 to 36 percent in 1997.

        "¢ In 1998, Atlantans spent 23 hours per year stuck in traffic and wasted $1.5 billion worth of fuel. (Metropolitan Atlanta's population has more than doubled since 1970.)

        "¢ In California's Central Valley, which provides half of America's produce, there has been a population influx of two million in 20 years, shrinking valuable farmland by 500,000 acres. Another seven million residents are forecast for the region by 2040, perhaps causing one million farm acres to be lost. The state as a whole may lose half of its agricultural acreage in the next 20 years if current rates of farmland conversion continue.

        "¢ The number of hours of delay on Sacramento-area freeways have grown 1,000 percent since 1986.

        "¢ CalTrans reported (2/19/99) that traffic congestion on California urban freeways is increasing an average of 10 percent per year, costing motorists nearly $8 million in lost time and wasted fuel use each day.

        "¢ The San Francisco Bay Bridge carries 44,000 more cars per day than it did just 10 years ago.

        "¢ The California Transportation Commission announced in 1999 that $100 billion in repairs and new building was required in the next decade to keep up with the state's explosive growth. Another 18 million residents are expected in the next 20 years.

        "¢ While California's population went up nearly 50 percent in the last 20 years (from 24 to 34 million), the lanes of new roads increased over the same period by just 16 percent, with most of that occurring within new subdivisions.

        "¢ By 2020, drivers in Southern California are expected to spend 70 percent of their time in stop-and-go traffic, as compared to 56 percent now, according to the Southern California Association of Governments.

        "¢ The nine counties that comprise the San Francisco Bay Area are projected to grow in population from 6.9 to eight million by 2020. (The current population is a near-doubling from 1960's 3.6 million.)

        "¢ Bay Area Rapid Transit authorities reported (2/9/00) that ridership had increased by 18 percent over the previous January, surpassing the transit district's own projections by 12 percent.

        "¢ Bay Area drivers lose $3 billion annually because of congestion and its accompanying wasted fuel and lost productivity - that's $1,000 per driver.

        "¢ According to a 1999 PBS Newshour report, "A new state study shows that morning and evening rush hours in parts of the Bay Area have nearly doubled in length over the past two years, and now total seven hours a day."

        "¢ In a recent Pew Foundation study, 47 percent of San Francisco Bay Area residents named sprawl as the worst problem facing the region.

        "¢ The pollution from Los Angeles' famous smog degrades air quality in the Grand Canyon, hundreds of miles away.

        Read the new report Sprawl in California, which shows that population growth is highly related to sprawl in that state. This report is part of a national study (to be released in late November, 2000) quantifying the role of U.S. population growth in the two most recent decades of Sprawl in the 100 largest Urbanized Areas as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau.

        U.S. population must be stabilized soon if we hope to save America's environment

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        • #5
          Looks like we all will be fighting for that dish job,and we need 11 million plus illegals here LOL


          UNEMPLOYED? WORRIED? READ THIS.

          By Carl F. Worden


          Now that at least 6% of you are unemployed in the United States and have more free time to read, perhaps you'd like to know why you no longer have a job, why your job-finding prospects are bleak, why our trade deficit is off the charts and even more importantly, who did this to you.


          In order for you to fully grasp what I'm about to write, we'll need to review what worked to make this nation the most wealthy and powerful nation ever to grace the face of this earth.


          First, we need to remember how wealth is created. The average high school graduate comes out thinking that if they get more of the money others have, then that's the way to create wealth. They don't have a clue about wealth creation, because in most cases, the schools don't teach it, and most of the kid's parents don't know either -- so herewith is a refresher course.


          In the most perfect scenario, and one that the United States of America just happened to follow, this nation was established on a continent that was blessed with magnificent amounts of raw materials, like wood and metals, and an agricultural breadbasket that could produce far more food than the domestic population could possibly eat. Add to that potent mix a population with a strong work ethic, solid moral integrity and the freedom to be as personally successful as they want to be, and the Founding Fathers just let human nature take its course.


          Those raw materials are mined and harvested, then manufactured into items of quality and desirability that the entire world wants to purchase. That is how wealth is created. The same goes for a vigorous agricultural program: You plant a seed and water it, it grows and produces whatever, you sell it, and voila! You've created wealth.


          In the meantime, people need to be employed in order to manufacture and grow things, and if you employ someone, you have to pay them for their contribution to your efforts. As time goes by, more and more of your domestic population becomes employed, which means they are making money and able to purchase land, homes, cars and other things themselves.


          Over time, our growing domestic population became this nation's largest consumer of U.S. manufactured goods. Because of our Constitution and our Republican form of government, our people were free to explore and invent with little or no government intervention. This led to technological advances that produced goods of such fine quality and craftsmanship that no other nation could compete with us at the same level. The world could buy cheaper goods of lower quality made in Japan, for example, but if you wanted quality that would last, you bought American. As a result, wealth poured into this nation, creating more millionaires per capita than any other nation on earth.


          As our population came to earn more and more money in salaries and wages, our domestic manufacturers employing those workers had to charge more and more for their goods at the wholesale level in order to maintain a profit and stay healthy.


          The workers employed in other nations earned far less than our workers, so in theory, they could produce manufactured goods at a lower cost than our domestic manufacturers could. The problem is that they generally lacked the raw materials we had in such abundance, and they also lacked our superior manufacturing technology, making foreign-made goods generally inferior.


          Even so, the United States maintained tariffs and trade restrictions that forced the shelf price of imported manufactured goods high enough to keep their price comparable to the goods produced by American manufacturers


          As a result, the American standard of living kept climbing and outpacing that of the rest of the world – by leaps and bounds.


          Later on, foreign manufacturers managed to steal a great deal of our technology, but the tariffs and trade restrictions still kept doing their intended duty of protecting American jobs.


          That is what made America the most wealthy and powerful nation on the face of this earth, and all that changed with the passage of NAFTA and GATT in 1994. We are now hemorrhaging jobs and wealth to other nations, particularly China, at such an astonishing rate that there is no foreseeable way to stop the carnage. The North American Free Trade Agreement and the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs quite literally slashed America's economic throat. NAFTA/GATT were pushed through by the Republicans, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton over the strenuous objections of his fellow Democrats.


          NAFTA/GATT removed our last line of defense against unfair foreign competition by manufacturers who now use cheap labor, equal manufacturing technology and even our own raw materials to compete with American manufacturers in a so-called "free" market. NAFTA/GATT were international treaties requiring a 2/3 Senate approval – votes they didn't have – so they just passed them as regular legislation. Incredibly, when American labor unions challenged the passage of NAFTA/GATT as unconstitutional, the Supreme Court let them stand!


          So what I want you to understand here is that all legal means for ridding ourselves of those treasonous acts have been exhausted. Our elected representatives show no signs of wanting to end our participation in NAFTA/GATT, therefore nothing short of a bloody and violent revolution to take this government back will have any chance of stopping our economic nosedive. This slide will not, and indeed, cannot end until our wages and our standard of living have equalized with the rest of the world.


          Ross Perot held the public forum during his presidential campaign, and screamed from the rooftops that if NAFTA/GATT were passed, we'd hear this giant ****ing sound of American manufacturing jobs going to other nations, remember that? He was out-shouted by that truth-impaired radio talk show host, Rush Limbaugh, who assured us all that NAFTA/GATT were a good thing for America and would enable American consumers to buy manufactured and other goods at substantially lower prices.


          Where it comes to basic math and economics, Rush Limbaugh is definitely not the guy to ask. You have to have a job to buy manufactured goods and foodstuffs, no matter what the price, right? And if American manufacturers close their plants in America and start manufacturing in China and elsewhere, as they had to do in order to stay competitive and viable, doesn't that mean those high-paying American manufacturing jobs are now held by slave-laborers in China? Is this treason starting to sink in yet? You didn't seem to care when you had a job, right? Well, I'll bet you do now.


          Oh, and what about those lowered prices for foreign-made goods we were promised ala Limbaugh? Seen any lately? No?? And why? Because the formerly American and foreign manufacturers now in China and Taiwan didn't have to lower them! All they had to do was lower their price a buck or two under what the American manufacturer had to sell the same product for here.


          You see, it doesn't matter that it only costs them pennies on the dollar to make the same item an American manufacturer does. They have no obligation whatsoever to pass those savings on to you and me if they don't have to – and under NAFTA/GATT they don't have to! The whole idea is to make the highest possible profit while remaining competitive, right? Well, if that's the case, then prices won't drop until Americans have lost so many family-wage paying jobs that they simply cannot afford to pay the higher prices anymore.


          I wish I could end this article with a ray of hope for our economy, but I cannot. If we are to have free trade with other nations, then the inevitable result will have to be our parity in living standards with the rest of the "global" community, and because we have a comparatively high standard of living, it naturally follows that our standard of living will have to decline. This is Math 101, and there's no way around it.


          I just read an interesting Associated Press article at (http://www.msnbc.com/news/937578.asp?0cv=BB10&cp1=1)

          If you have been paying attention to this mess, you'll recall that President Bush slapped a 30% tariff of foreign steel imported to the United States. At the time he did it, I couldn't figure out where NAFTA/GATT allowed him to do it, but if they did, why don't we just slap tariffs on all imported foreign goods to protect our remaining domestic manufacturers who are too stupid to close up and move to China?


          Well, I just got my answer: The World Trade Organization, whose rules we agreed to abide by under NAFTA/GATT, just ruled Bush's tariff violates "global trade rules". If the American appeal fails, we taxpayers will pay a stiff fine and thousands more American steel manufacturing jobs will be lost.


          Would you like to hear some good news? I thought so. Here goes:

          I just read somewhere that China was being lauded for having reduced its poverty level by more than half. I wonder how they did it, and where they got the money?


          Carl F. Worden

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          • #6
            what do you think the gov't. doesn't know that?
            how do you gonna change the system? unless this country turn bad as a communist country but i rather to see america with this kind people trying to make a living than to see this country to be a communist , there is something in this counrty that a lot of people in this planet are dreaming about..how do you gonna stop them? we are not giving away the country to them, we need them that's the fact .stay in focus my friend.

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            • #7
              It is easy to blame others for our problem. Immigrants have always been the target of this blame game. So you are unemployed. Why not blame Goerge Bush and his cronies who spend $3.9 billion a month in Iraq when he can certainly use that money back home to help create jobs?

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              • #8
                tHE WAR COSTS 'BFD' ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION COSTS US 70 BILLION PER YEAR EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS AND INCREASING EVERY YEAR. 3.9 BILLION PEANUTS COMPARED .

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                • #9
                  posted July 15, 2003 05:08 PM
                  The High Cost of Ignoring Immigration Violations

                  by James R. Edwards, Jr.
                  Posted Jul 15, 2003

                  The taxpayers of Oregon can now plan to fund the life imprisonment of a brutal, illegal alien who raped two Catholic nuns and murdered one. The 33-year-old criminal alien from Mexico, Maximiliano Silerio Esparza, copped execution by pleading guilty.

                  The taxpayers of Brownsville, Tex., can expect to cough up money to jail and try a Mexican citizen"”it's unreported whether she's an illegal or legal immigrant"”who, along with her common-law husband, murdered their three children. Texans must pay for the costs of both prosecutors and publicly appointed defense lawyers.

                  Maria Angela Camacho and John Allen Rubio reportedly confessed to strangling and decapitating their 2-1¼2-month-old daughter, 1-year-old son and 3-year-old daughter.

                  Criminal aliens strain America's law enforcement and criminal justice resources on a daily basis. America's state and local police come into daily contact with alien lawbreakers as officers go about their duties.

                  These aliens run the gamut"”from border hoppers who work under the table to terrorists to visa overstayers to gangsters who traffic in illegal immigrants, drugs, prostitutes and weapons.

                  Police officers come into occasional contact with them. They stop them for routine traffic violations, notice unusual, suspicious behavior or capture them shoplifting or committing another crime.

                  September 11 terrorist Mohammed Atta was ticketed for driving without a license in Broward County, Fla., in the spring of 2001. Atta had abused his temporary visa by not leaving after its expiration, but local cops didn't know.

                  A Tulsa, Okla., sheriff's deputy stopped a van on Interstate 244 the night of July 17, 2002. In addition to missing a taillight, the deputy found 18 Mexican illegal aliens.

                  Bringing state and local law enforcement to bear in nabbing alien lawbreakers could help get the violators off American streets, send them back to their own countries and relieve American taxpayers. Almost 700,000 police officers walk the beats and patrol the streets.

                  Presently, about three of every 10 foreign-born persons are illegal aliens. And the foreign-born share of the U.S. population stands at more than 11%.

                  Illegal immigration is a crime that too often goes unpunished, and as a result often becomes a "precursor crime" to other violations of law.

                  At a minimum, laxity toward illegal immigration has led to a vast network where aliens, including terrorists and their sympathizers, can thrive undetected.

                  Meanwhile, the borders themselves remain porous. Criminals, smugglers, terrorists and other lawbreakers frequently cross it illegally. This despite the fact that the vast majority of Border Patrol agents man the border.

                  The interior has very little federal enforcement presence because the federal immigration service has just 2,000 special agents for the whole country.

                  A holdover Clinton Administration policy continues concerning interior enforcement. It operates on the "we'll make it a little tougher for you to sneak across the border, but once inside our country, we won't touch you" theory.

                  What have been the consequences of keeping local cops on the sidelines in the enforcement of immigration violations?

                  A virtual rogues' gallery of criminal illegal aliens has successfully made it into this country. It includes Ingmar Guandique, the suspected killer of Chandra Levy; Lee Malvo, the suspected Washington, D.C., sniper; four homeless Mexicans accused of brutally gang-raping a woman in New York last December; Rafael Resendez Ramirez, the serial "Railroad Killer;" and Mohammed Salameh, a 1993 World Trade Center conspirator/bomber.

                  Millions of nondescript illegal aliens provide the infrastructure by which the worst ones move about undetected. Run-of-the-mill Latin American illegal aliens assisted some of the September 11 hijackers, helping them to exploit loopholes and fraudulently obtain driver's licenses.

                  All this comes at a cost. One study puts the criminal alien prison population at 617,152 at both the federal and state levels. They cost taxpayers about $900 million annually, according to this estimate.

                  Then there's the cost in human terms: pain and suffering of victims and survivors, loss of safety and security. And don't forget undermining of the rule of law, weakening of community, harm to civil society.

                  To everybody but blinded politicians, anti-American activists and corporatist fatcats, illegal and criminal immigrants pose a tremendous problem. If the homeland is truly to be made secure, then state and local police must help enforce supposedly harmless immigration violations.

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                  • #10
                    to acelaw,
                    I don't know where you get your 70 billion figure. I know where my figure came from - Donald Rumsfeld said it. Please let me know where you got yours.

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                    • #11
                      High Costs Of Cheap Labor



                      NEWS!!! NOT IN N.Y.: New York City's Police Department and New York State's Department of Motor Vehicles rejected Matricula Consular identification cards issued by the Mexican government as forms of ID for illegal Mexican immigrants because of security concerns, the New York Times reported.

                      *** *** ***
                      The price of the great Mexican exodus is a staggering transfer of wealth which continues to climb. Cheap labor is really not cheap at all. Taxpayers foot the bill for increased use of schools, public health, welfare, and new infrastructure. Employers are happy to get a large pool of compliant and inexpensive workers, but the workers pay little or nothing in taxes. When children arrive (at taxpayer expense), start getting food stamps, and then add to the numbers in schools, the cheap labor actually costs much more than the wages earned. But employers like the subsidized labor, Democrats salivate at the thought of the potential votes, and Republicans are afraid of alienating anyone.

                      Statistics from the Weekly Standard, American Conservative Union and other sources illustrate:
                      THE VERY HIGH COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
                      "¢ Illegal immigrants cost $68 billion in annual welfare payments – equaling $1000 per taxpaying family. (Compared to the estimated $60 billion for the war in Iraq.)
                      "¢ The proportion of immigrants on welfare is 50 percent higher than native born Americans. (Legal immigrants are barred from welfare for 10 years.)
                      "¢ They are the sole source of school overcrowding. Educating their children costs $30 billion a year.
                      "¢ The cost of incarcerating illegal immigrants is estimated at $500 million a year. In the year 2000, there were 23,477 illegal immigrants charged with federal crimes.
                      "¢ Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses.

                      States are freeing prisoners, closing libraries, hiking college tuition, even halting prosecution of abusive spouses, while federal and state officials are scrambling to plug budget gaps that widen every day primarily due to illegal immigration.

                      HEALTH CARE COSTS FROM OPEN BORDERS
                      The Phyllis Schafley Report September 2002

                      The big health-care debate in Congress last summer was over the wrong issue. Instead of threatening to bankrupt Medicare by forcing the taxpayers to buy prescription drugs for seniors, Congress should relieve the taxpayers and paying-patients of the burden of providing hospital care for illegal aliens.

                      From Florida to California, illegal aliens show up at hospital emergency rooms and the costs are passed along to paying patients and to local taxpayers. The American Hospital Association estimates that the costs of bad-debt and charity care run into the billions.

                      A Martin County, Florida, hospital has spent $900,000 (with no end in sight) caring for a Guatemalan illegal who appeared at the emergency room two years ago with a brain injury after an automobile accident. He has no money and no family, but somehow he has a lawyer who has successfully prevented deportation to Guatemala.

                      A Jamaican illegal spent 17 months under care at the same hospital. After he ran up a bill of $500,000, he was finally sent home to Jamaica.

                      St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach treats one or two illegals a week and Delray Medical Center about 75 a month. Hospitals are required to provide care to anyone who shows up with a life-threatening condition.

                      Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) has persuaded the General Accounting Office to study the financial costs that illegal aliens impose on hospitals. He says "we need to remedy this problem before we can no longer afford to take care of Americans."

                      Many Arizona hospitals have to treat automobile accident victims of dangerous driving by what are called "people smugglers." Two Tucson hospitals were stuck with treating a half dozen illegal aliens who were injured in a nighttime crash of their car traveling on the highway at 100 miles an hour.

                      A San Antonio hospital treated victims suffering from dehydration after up to 70 men, women and children were discovered by police in a tractor-trailer rig at a truck stop. Another tractor-trailer rig loaded with 40 illegal aliens, two of them dead from suffocation, was found in July in Dallas.

                      The Palomar Medical Center in Escondido, California, has been caring for a comatose Mexican illegal ever since he got drunk and was struck by a car in May. He can't pay for the care, of course, but his lawyer is fighting his deportation to a Tijuana hospital.

                      San Diego hospitals had to face the burden of caring for 31 accident victims (not counting the seven who were killed) when a van carrying illegals from Mexico and Brazil crashed going the wrong way on an interstate at night with its headlights turned off.

                      Some aliens look upon an automobile accident as their entry ticket into the United States. They get treated at an American hospital and then may be released into no one's custody, and no one has any figures on the numbers.

                      Last year the taxpayers who finance Medicaid paid the hospital bill for 6,000 illegal aliens to have their babies in Colorado. This totaled $30 million, an average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens are 40% of the births Medicaid paid for in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for all Medicaid services at a cost that is not even tabulated.

                      To get immediate care, the illegal only has to say she is "undocumented." Pregnant American mothers can't avoid their birth-of-a-baby expenses so easily. Denver Health is asking taxpayers to approve a bond issue to pay for a bigger obstetrics unit. The present unit was built for 1,600 births a year but last year it handled 3,500.

                      This Colorado information was reported by Al Knight of the Denver Post editorial board. He concluded with a fascinating comment: "There are many groups and interests that for one reason or another don't want this information to be available or to be discussed."

                      He didn't identify the "groups and interests."

                      Who they are would be a good question to ask your Member of Congress, along with why Congress isn't doing its duty to protect Americans from the influx of illegal aliens.

                      DISEASES ALIENS BRING INTO THE U.S.

                      Scores of Americans have come down with the disease called West Nile virus, and more than a dozen have already died.

                      The Louisiana Governor says his state "is an emergency situation."

                      Carried by mosquitoes, West Nile virus causes flu-like symptoms and a potentially fatal brain inflammation. There is no cure. Many horses have been infected.

                      West Nile virus is a disease that comes from central Africa, and it was unknown in the United States prior to 1999. Now it has been found in at least 34 states. Even the pro-immigration New York Times reported (8-13-02): "The wide swath that West Nile has cut in just three years illustrates how vulnerable the United States is to imported diseases."

                      The Centers for Disease Control recently announced the deaths of the first American victims of Chagas disease.

                      Chagas disease is caused by a parasite that is spread when a so-called "kissing bug" bites a human and then defecates while it feeds. The feces contain the parasite, which can enter the human either when the bitten person scratches the bite or from eating contaminated uncooked food.

                      Chagas infection can lead to various disorders such as obstruction of the colon or esophagus, and is often fatal if untreated.

                      The Chagas disease in the United States has been traced to a Central American immigrant. More than 16 million people are infected with the parasite in Central America, and health officials estimate that 100,000 Latin American residents in the United States now carry the parasite.

                      Immigration officials are supposed to screen out immigrants who are carrying diseases, but of course there is no health screening for illegal aliens, who are coming into our country by hundreds of thousands (some estimates say a million) every year.

                      Tuberculosis, which had been on the way to eradication in the United States, is now rising rapidly because of immigration. In California, the state health department reports that 75% of all TB patients were born outside the United States.

                      When are the American people going to wake up to the diseases, followed by the costs to our health care system, that result from the massive numbers of aliens coming into the United States at the present time, especially from Third World countries?

                      Instead of dealing with these existing health-care burdens, some members of Congress are trying to hit the taxpayers with even more costs for illegal aliens. They are trying to make illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition rates at publicly funded colleges and universities.

                      Texas, California and New York are already subsidizing these aliens who have broken our laws while discriminating against students in lawful, taxpaying families from the other 49 states. A student from Arizona, for example, pays four times as much to attend the University of California as an illegal alien.


                      *** *** ***
                      In-State Tuition: Stay tuned for this topic. State lawmakers in the "Open Borders" crowd, even though it's barred by federal immigration law, believe you should pay for the college education of illegal immigrants. And there are many more things they want taxes dollars for to support illegal immigrants. (And it just doesn't seem to matter what the immigration laws say.)

                      This won't stop until you let your elected representatives know you've had enough. Start emailing, faxing, or writing today. Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues our Nation will ever face. Don't be silent. Your voice must be heard.


                      *** *** ***
                      MEXICANS TREATED IN U.S. COST MILLIONS
                      from the Associated Press Dec. 30, 2003

                      Texas - Ambulances regularly race across the bridges of the Rio Grande, bringing some of Mexico's sickest to the nearest U.S. emergency room.

                      Obligated by federal law, the hospitals provide the care and worry later about whether the billing addresses patients give them are accurate. Often the hospitals get stuck with the bill.

                      Immigrant patients have inflated medical expenses for insurance companies, Medicaid and paying customers, officials say.

                      One recent study by the U.S.-Mexico Border Counties Coalition, an American lobbying group, found U.S. border hospitals provided at least $200 million a year in uncompensated emergency care to illegal immigrants.

                      Texas Republican state Sen. Chris Harris said he was shocked by what he called the "dumping" of Mexicans on U.S. hospitals.

                      Policymakers are just beginning to assess the size of the problem.

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                      • #12
                        to Acelaw,
                        The numbers quoted in the article above are not supported by any real data. A bunch of wild conjectures made by right wing racists.
                        For your info, illegal immigrants cannot and do not receive any government welfare payments. Maybe you just refuse to acknowledge the facts.

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                        • #13
                          wise guy I can you give you these with your proof all day long

                          http://www.conginst.org/resultsact/PDF/HE98030.PDF

                          1.1 BILLION provided to illegal aliens with a child Born here.

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                          • #14
                            I could fill the pages wiseguy

                            I really like the statement here, However, it is clear that a substantial number of persons come to San Diego County with the express purpose of obtaining citizenship and public benefits without regard for the laws controlling immigration

                            SUMMARY

                            Total costs for providing services to the citizen children of illegal aliens cannot be clearly estimated. However, it is clear that a substantial number of persons come to San Diego County with the express purpose of obtaining citizenship and public benefits without regard for the laws controlling immigration. The benefits accruing to citizens are an attraction to illegal aliens and represent a great cost to our County. San Diego County, and many others are facing a financial crisis of critical proportions. Expenditures for services are growing at a frightening rate, with no end in sight. It is the decisions made here in Washington that are often the basis for demands on local government. It is the conclusion of the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Diego that extending public benefits to those who have entered the country illegally is improper. To resolve many of the problems faced by San Diego County, we strongly urge the federal government to take the following actions:

                            (1) Reserve citizenship for children of U.S. citizens and those whose presence in this country is legal under immigration laws.

                            (2) Substantially increase resources provided to the Immigration and Naturalization Service and to theBorder Patrol to control illegal immigration on the border.

                            (3) Deny eligibility for health, educational, and social services to illegal aliens.

                            (4) Fully compensate Local Agencies for any costs incurred in providing public services to illegal aliens and their children born in this country.



                            http://www.house.gov/judiciary/617.htm
                            COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
                            TESTIMONY OF JOAN ZINSER
                            DEPUTY DIRECTOR, COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO
                            DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES
                            SUBCOMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND CLAIMS AND SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
                            U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
                            DECEMBER 13, 1995


                            Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department's Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County's assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

                            To put the concerns of the County of San Diego into some perspective, you will recall that the International Border in San Diego County experiences the world's largest number of crossings, totaling over 70 million crossings per year. This border sector also has the highest number of apprehensions of illegal aliens anywhere in the United States. Studies estimate 1.6 million illegal aliens enter the United States annually through San Diego County, making the impact on our region enormous.

                            Impacts on San Dien County

                            In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

                            Welfare Costs. When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 "citizen children" apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these "citizen child" cases continues to rise each year.

                            Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to "citizen children" cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

                            Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

                            Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs. Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego county has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for "restricted Medi-Cal benefits." Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

                            Criminal justice. A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

                            According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.

                            Education. Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.

                            SUMMARY

                            Total costs for providing services to the citizen children of illegal aliens cannot be clearly estimated. However, it is clear that a substantial number of persons come to San Diego County with the express purpose of obtaining citizenship and public benefits without regard for the laws controlling immigration. The benefits accruing to citizens are an attraction to illegal aliens and represent a great cost to our County. San Diego County, and many others are facing a financial crisis of critical proportions. Expenditures for services are growing at a frightening rate, with no end in sight. It is the decisions made here in Washington that are often the basis for demands on local government. It is the conclusion of the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Diego that extending public benefits to those who have entered the country illegally is improper. To resolve many of the problems faced by San Diego County, we strongly urge the federal government to take the following actions:

                            (1) Reserve citizenship for children of U.S. citizens and those whose presence in this country is legal under immigration laws.

                            (2) Substantially increase resources provided to the Immigration and Naturalization Service and to theBorder Patrol to control illegal immigration on the border.

                            (3) Deny eligibility for health, educational, and social services to illegal aliens.

                            (4) Fully compensate Local Agencies for any costs incurred in providing public services to illegal aliens and their children born in this country.

                            The County of San Diego Appreciates the opportunity to provide input to your subcommittee and is encouraged by the interest the subcommittee has shown in the problems caused by the granting of citizenship to children of illegal aliens. Please contact me if you or your staff need further information..


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                            • #15
                              okay get away now.

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