"An American problem? That's funny, Hispanic group leaders seem to think that we should not enforce immigration law and grant amnesty simply because people of their ethnicity happen to be those mostly in violation of it."
No Jack that is your misguided perception of the issue. Actually the reality is that the Immigration laws get broken because they do not fit the reality of the country. AS STATED many times here, on the one hand business invites the workers( supply demand economics). Yet on the other hand they are criminalized and demonized by people in your camp. I the laws allowed for supply and demand to meed the needs of business and labor and we could reform the system rather than sticking our head in the sand and SCREAM AMNESTY every time someone tries to fix it, we would not be here would we?

"If the majority of the illegally present were not Hispanic, would they even care about the issue?"
That is like saying when slavery or segregation were the law of the land the only ones that cared about these laws were African Americans, you think? Come on Jack show us that there is something up there in your head other than racism!!!

"Or would they be against amnesty so as not to dillute their power and "greatly disappointed" if the law were NOT enforced"
many stupid laws are not enforced today, just look at the war on drugs, consumption is up the Cartels are more powerful than ever. Clearly the laws against Illegal drugs are not getting the job done, but in your mind we should stick to the failing strategy no matter what..... See I always tells you, stick to the talking points Jack reality does not help your cause. You think that your ideology is above all!!!!

"I have more respect for true open border ideologues, however misguided, who think unlimited immigration is in the American interest (although often they too want the law ignored just because they disagree with it). It's ridiculous to get lectured to by people who are patently about their self-interest, not the American interest."

Yo do not have respect for open border folks, you are the typical hypocrite. That is like saying see I am not racist I know a couple of back guys, therefore I could not be a racist. Immigration throughout history has always been a positive force to this country and has always contributed, only people like you deny it but read up on the history of our country. So if Immigration has always been good for the country that could not go against American Interest, that is all in your mind and people like you..... Tancredo talk like your only plays well in your mind in reality you hit a brick wall and it turns into what it is BS.....

"your misguided perception of the issue"

You deny an in-group bias against enforcement and for legalization?


"business invites the workers"

Yeah, that's why those who don't condone illegal presence favor a more effective form of employment verification. Your position is that we've tried

everything; none of it works; therefore it is proven that nothing can ever work or even make a difference. Your hypothesis is flawed because we have NOT

tried everything, not even close. Do you think the current I-9 requirement is the most effective verification process we can come up with? Could we audit

more and issue more fines? Could fines be higher? Do you also think tax law compliance has nothing to do with perceived chance of audit, severity of

penalties, and that W-2 amounts are checked against income reported on income tax filing forms?


"Yo do not have respect for open border folks"

Like I said, if their heart is in it for some overall good. Not so much if it is for selfish gain (pecuniary or power). And also not an attitude that the

only laws which should be abided by are those I personally agree with.


"So if Immigration has always been good for the country that could not go against American Interest"

That's a logical fallacy which seems to elude a lot of immigration boosters. Because something has been good in the past, it cannot be anything but good

forever? It is perfectly consistent to say that "immigration has always been good for the country" but is no longer in the American interest. The most

obvious difference is the number you're adding to. Since nothing can grow forever, including population, population growth will stop at some point anyway.

If you think we are near or above the optimum U.S. population (for which there is substantial scientific evidence), it makes sense to at least decrease the

addition to the population caused by the current immigration level. See the logic?

There is a 2012 Presidential election coming up which also includes the election of U.S. Representatives and U.S. Senators. There are issues that may be important to you - from Immigration Reform to job creation to reducing our debt. But too often, the majority of Americans stay home and a minority basically elects our politicians who in turn make and enact legislation that has an affect on all of us. The American dram critic and editor, George Jean Nathan once said: " Bad politicians are elected by good citizens who do not vote." So, we basically get what we deserve if we do not exercise one of the most important rights given to U.S. Citizens - the right to vote.