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Thread: Air France jet crashes into Atlantic with 228 aboard.

  1. #1
    PARIS (Reuters) - An Air France plane with 228 people on board was presumed to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Monday after hitting stormy weather during a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

    The airline offered its condolences to the families of the passengers, making clear it did not expect any rescue.

    "It's a tragic accident. The chances of finding survivors are tiny," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said at Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport after meeting some of the relatives.

    The 216 passengers included seven children and one baby, Air France said. Most of them were French or Brazilian but they included around 20 Germans and several other nationalities. Twelve crew members were also on board.

    The Airbus jet flew into storms and heavy turbulence four hours after take-off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults, the airline said.

    There was no sign that the crew had sent a mayday message or any indication that signal-emitting emergency locators had activated on impact as is normally the case in crashes.

    A company spokesman said several of the plane's mechanisms had malfunctioned.

    "It is probably a combination of circumstances that could have led to the crash," he said, adding that the airliner might have been hit by lightning.

    Aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster.

    The Brazilian air force said the plane was far out over the sea when it went missing.

    If no survivors are found it will be the worst loss of life involving an Air France plane in the firm's 75-year history.

    INTERNATIONAL SEARCH EFFORT

    Military planes took off from the island of Fernando de Noronha off Brazil's northeast coast to look for it and the Brazilian navy sent three ships to help in the search.

    France sent one of its air force planes from west Africa and several ships. Sarkozy said Spain was helping in the mission and Paris had asked the United States to assist in locating the crash site using U.S. satellite data.

    "It is going to be extremely difficult because this is a huge area, hundreds of (square) kilometers, and obviously this tragedy happened in the middle of the night over the Atlantic," Sarkozy told reporters.

    The passenger list was not released, but French tire company Michelin said the head of its Latin American operations, Luis Roberto Anastacio, had been on the flight.

    Tearful relatives and friends were led away by airport staff after they arrived at Roissy expecting to greet the passengers.

    About 20 relatives of passengers also arrived at Rio's Galeao airport on Monday morning seeking information.

    Bernardo Souza, whose brother and sister-in-law were on the flight, complained he had received no details from Air France.

    "I had to come to the airport, but when I arrived I just found an empty counter," he said.

    Senior French government minister Jean-Louis Borloo ruled out the possibility of a hi*******.

    "It's an awful tragedy," he told France Info radio.

    If no survivors are found it will be the worst loss of life involving an Air France plane in the firm's 75-year history.

    The plane was an Airbus 330-200 powered with General Electric engines. If the plane is confirmed to have crashed, it would be the first time an A330 has been lost during an operational airline flight.

    Air France said the plane had 18,870 flight hours on the clock and went into service in April 2005. It last underwent maintenance in a hangar in April this year.

    The last major incident involving an Air France plane was in July 2000 when one of its Concorde supersonic airliners crashed just after taking off from Paris, bound for New York.

    All 109 people on board were killed along with at least four on the ground.


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    Earlier today it was missing and not known what happened to it.
    Passengers are from various countries like Germany, Brazil, France among others.

    What a tragic accident, let's hope there are some survivors out there.
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    1.800.799.SAFE (7233) 1.800.787.

  2. #2
    PARIS (Reuters) - An Air France plane with 228 people on board was presumed to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean on Monday after hitting stormy weather during a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

    The airline offered its condolences to the families of the passengers, making clear it did not expect any rescue.

    "It's a tragic accident. The chances of finding survivors are tiny," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said at Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport after meeting some of the relatives.

    The 216 passengers included seven children and one baby, Air France said. Most of them were French or Brazilian but they included around 20 Germans and several other nationalities. Twelve crew members were also on board.

    The Airbus jet flew into storms and heavy turbulence four hours after take-off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults, the airline said.

    There was no sign that the crew had sent a mayday message or any indication that signal-emitting emergency locators had activated on impact as is normally the case in crashes.

    A company spokesman said several of the plane's mechanisms had malfunctioned.

    "It is probably a combination of circumstances that could have led to the crash," he said, adding that the airliner might have been hit by lightning.

    Aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster.

    The Brazilian air force said the plane was far out over the sea when it went missing.

    If no survivors are found it will be the worst loss of life involving an Air France plane in the firm's 75-year history.

    INTERNATIONAL SEARCH EFFORT

    Military planes took off from the island of Fernando de Noronha off Brazil's northeast coast to look for it and the Brazilian navy sent three ships to help in the search.

    France sent one of its air force planes from west Africa and several ships. Sarkozy said Spain was helping in the mission and Paris had asked the United States to assist in locating the crash site using U.S. satellite data.

    "It is going to be extremely difficult because this is a huge area, hundreds of (square) kilometers, and obviously this tragedy happened in the middle of the night over the Atlantic," Sarkozy told reporters.

    The passenger list was not released, but French tire company Michelin said the head of its Latin American operations, Luis Roberto Anastacio, had been on the flight.

    Tearful relatives and friends were led away by airport staff after they arrived at Roissy expecting to greet the passengers.

    About 20 relatives of passengers also arrived at Rio's Galeao airport on Monday morning seeking information.

    Bernardo Souza, whose brother and sister-in-law were on the flight, complained he had received no details from Air France.

    "I had to come to the airport, but when I arrived I just found an empty counter," he said.

    Senior French government minister Jean-Louis Borloo ruled out the possibility of a hi*******.

    "It's an awful tragedy," he told France Info radio.

    If no survivors are found it will be the worst loss of life involving an Air France plane in the firm's 75-year history.

    The plane was an Airbus 330-200 powered with General Electric engines. If the plane is confirmed to have crashed, it would be the first time an A330 has been lost during an operational airline flight.

    Air France said the plane had 18,870 flight hours on the clock and went into service in April 2005. It last underwent maintenance in a hangar in April this year.

    The last major incident involving an Air France plane was in July 2000 when one of its Concorde supersonic airliners crashed just after taking off from Paris, bound for New York.

    All 109 people on board were killed along with at least four on the ground.


    source


    Earlier today it was missing and not known what happened to it.
    Passengers are from various countries like Germany, Brazil, France among others.

    What a tragic accident, let's hope there are some survivors out there.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    God Bless America - God Bless Immigrants - God Bless Poor Misguided Souls Too

    National Domestic Violence Hotline:
    1.800.799.SAFE (7233) 1.800.787.

  3. #3
    Actually I would like to see Davdah's and Brits Responses??? Can this aircraft be Flown manualy???
    USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

  4. #4
    Maybe they had a system-wide electrical failure. That would account for no radio messages or transponder codes only the automatic computer messages (probably a battery backup system). Probably got hit by lightning in the storm. If the turbulence was severe enough, it could break up in flight. Yes any airplane can be flown manually but trying to in a storm with no electrics could be just a bit too much to do. If the hydraulics failed as well, it would be like trying to fly a rock at night in a coal mine. Lets hope they find the ELT beacon. That is battery operated and the new digital ones give very accurate position reports.

    RIP for all those onboard.
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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  6. #6
    definitely terrorists/muslims but it will be covered up to protect obama

  7. #7
    A Secondary bypass To access Hydraulics for control In Case Of Electrical Malfunction????

    I Am Just Being Detailed! . Everything Is Controlled Electronically These days! Imagine human power Providing 2000 Plus PSI for the flaps and gear. And Manali Is road Kill!!!
    USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

  8. #8
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A Secondary bypass To access Hydraulics for control In Case Of Electrical Malfunction???? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Might be an idea. I dunno if the A330s have such a thing. Remember this accident from 1989 in Sioux City, IA?:

    United Airlines flight 232

    The DC-10 had a fatal flaw in the design in that all 3 engine hydraulic lines ran together in the empennage:

    Examination of the wreckage showed that portions of the number 2 engine fan blades were embedded in the empennage. Missing from the wreckage was number 2 engine fan module, which had seperated in flight. The failure of the number 2 engine sent fregments through the empennage, rendering all three hydraulic systems inoperable, all of which had critical components that ran together near the engine casing. Several farmers living northeast of the city reported finding various parts of the aircraft on their properties.
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

  9. #9
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Most of the newer aircraft have redundent systems. The 89 crash was quite the feet under the circumstances. Landing using tbe engines to control speed, yaw, roll, and pitch. And under that kind of pressure. I've tried controlling pitch and speed with the throttle only. It ain't easy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    They went down over the water - why is it that this plane couldn't float like the one that went down in the hudson. Maybe there are survivors if they get to them early enough.

    Let's all send a prayer!
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

  10. #10
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
    Most of the newer aircraft have redundent systems. The 89 crash was quite the feet under the circumstances. Landing using tbe engines to control speed, yaw, roll, and pitch. And under that kind of pressure. I've tried controlling pitch and speed with the throttle only. It ain't easy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    They went down over the water - why is it that this plane couldn't float like the one that went down in the hudson. Maybe there are survivors if they get to them early enough.

    Let's all send a prayer! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Prayers indeed. One big difference, Koller, is the plane that went down in the Hudson had only reached 3200 feet in altitude and the pilot was able to ease it down. The Air France flight was cruising at 35,000 feet. They have found some debris suspected to be part of the wreckage. More details: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...e.missing/index.html

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