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Thread: The Peaceful Prophet of Mecca Changes into the Ruthless Warrior of Medina

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    The Peaceful Prophet of Mecca Changes into the Ruthless Warrior of Medina
    Mohammed's decision to relocate his new movement from Mecca to Medina presented an economic challenge. He had to find a method of supporting himself and his followers that would also provide an adequate base to finance the ever-increasing demands of the Muslim movement. The traditional method for acquiring wealth among the Arabs at the time was attacking other tribes and seizing their possessions. Muslims living in Medina found no easier way than doing that. They started to make raids (Ghaswa) on other tribes and passing caravans.

    The first raid was called an-Nakhla. Muslims, led by Abdullah bin Jahsh, waited in ambush near a place called an-Nakhla and took the passing Qorayshite caravan by surprise. Muslims killed the leader of the caravan and captured two men and the entire cargo goods.

    The turning point in Mohammed's life, however, was the raid against Badr. Muslims were able to kill dozens of Meccans and take scores of prisoners and much booty. On their way back to Medina some of those prisoners were put to death. One of them was a man name Uqbah bin abi Muait. Before his execution Uqbah pleaded with Mohammed saying, "Who, then, will take care of my little girl?" Mohammed answered, "Hell-fire."

    After that, a confident Mohammed starting moving against his enemies in a series of attacks that resulted in the elimination of Jewish tribes and the assassination of certain individuals for the slightest offense. The assassination of Kaab ibn al-Ashraf, of the Jewish tribe Banu al-Nodair, was prompted by Kaab showing sympathy for the Qorayshites, and then when he returned to Mecca he recited amorous poetry to Muslim women. Mohammed was enraged and asked for volunteers to rid him of ibn al-Ashraf. Those who volunteered asked for permission to lie in order to lure him out of his house at night into a remote area where they were able to kill him.

    A poetess named Asmaa bint Marwan was ordered to be killed for uttering a few verses of poetry against Mohammed. A Muslim assassin, acting on Mohammed's orders, crept at night into the women's bed while her suckling baby was attached to her breast. The man plucked the baby from her breast and then plunged his sword into her abdomen. Later, the killer, fearing the consequences of his crime, asked Mohammed, "Will there be any danger to me on her account?" Mohammed answered, "Two goats will not butt each other about her."

    There were many other outrageous assassinations ordered by Mohammed. Abu Afak, an old man of 120 years of age was murdered for composing poetry critical of the Prophet. Another brutal assassination was against an aged women by the name of Umm Kirfa. They tied her legs to camels which were then driven in opposite directions. The poor woman was split into two pieces.

    The reality of the Muslim assassin's brutality is punctuated by their practice of cutting off the heads of victims and bringing them to Mohammed. As the killers came into view carrying with them the evidence of Allah's victory over the enemies of Mohammed, a jubilant Mohammed would cry, "Allaho Akbar," (God is great)!

    The list of these horrendous acts is too long, much is too repulsive to mention. What has been cited should be sufficient to say about the man that Muslims describe as the "prophet of peace and mercy"!

    The essential problem is that the fruit of Mohammed's legacy exists today. As Muslims get deeper into Islam, they simply try to follow in the footsteps of their prime example. Can one still wonder why so much violence is committed, around the world, in the name of Islam?


    The Abrogator and the Abrogated
    In their attempt to polish Islam's image, Muslim activists usually quote the Meccan passages of the Quran that call for love, peace and patience. They deliberately hide the Medenan passages that call for killing, decapitating, and maiming.

    Muslim activists also fail to reveal to people in the West a major doctrine in Islam called "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that when a recent verse in the Quran gives a contradictory view to another verse that preceded it (chronologically), the recent verse abrogates (cancels and replaces) the old verse and renders it null and void.

    This doctrine is based on the Quran, where Allah allegedly says in Surah 2:106, "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" Also, in Surah 16:101 "When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not."

    One of Islam's classical reference books, written by a recognized Muslim scholar, deals in great detail with the subject. The title of the book is "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) by Abil-Kasim Hibat-Allah Ibn-Salama Abi-Nasr. The book goes through every chapter in the Quran and points in full detail to every verse that has been canceled and what verse replaced it. The author noted that out of 114 Surahs (chapters) of the Quran, there are only 43 Surahs that were not affected by this concept.

    An example of the abrogation: there are 124 versus that call for tolerance and patience which have been canceled and replaced by this one single verse: "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

    One doesn't help but wonder: how Allah, the all-powerful, the all-knowing, needs to revise himself so often?


    The Real Attitude of Islam Towards Christians and Jews
    We have discussed the facade that Muslim activists in the West have been displaying to Christians and Jews. They have been saying that Islam is compatible with Christianity and Judaism. Some Christian and Jewish leaders have been deceived into believing them. The following "Fatwa" (Sanction) by a prominent Islamist tells, exactly and bluntly, what Muslims really think of Christians and Jews.

    From the Muslim site of Ibrahim Shafi on the Internet:
    http://www.wam.uwd.edu/~ibrahim
    [Answer by Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin]

    Question: One of the preachers in one of the mosques in Europe claimed that it is not allowed to consider Jews and Christians disbelievers. You know - may Allah preserve you - that most of the people who attend the mosques in Europe have very little knowledge. We fear that statements like this one will become widespread. Therefore, we request from you a complete and clear answer to this question.

    Answer: I say: The statement that came from that man is misguidance. In fact, it can be blasphemy. This is because Allah has declared that Jews and Christians are disbelievers in His Book. Allah has said, "The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary: Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him)." [Al-Taubah 9:30, 31]

    That shows that they are polytheists who associate partners with Allah. In other verses, Allah has made it clear that they are disbelievers:

    "in blasphemy indeed are they who say that Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." {Al-Maidah 5:17 and 72]

    "They do blaspheme who say, God is one of three (in a Trinity)." {Al-Maidah 5:73]

    "Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected faith by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary." {Al-Maidah 5:78]

    "Those who reject (truth) among the People of the Book and the Polytheists will be in hellfire to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.." {Al-Bayyinah 98:6]


    Many versus and Hadith express the same meaning. The one, who rejects the idea that the Jews and Christians who do not believe in Mohammed (peace be upon him) and deny him are disbelievers, is in fact denying what Allah has said. Denying what Allah has said is blasphemy. If anyone has any doubt concerning them being disbelievers, then he himself is also a disbeliever. This is a matter concerning which there is no room for doubt. And help is sought only with Allah.

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    The Peaceful Prophet of Mecca Changes into the Ruthless Warrior of Medina
    Mohammed's decision to relocate his new movement from Mecca to Medina presented an economic challenge. He had to find a method of supporting himself and his followers that would also provide an adequate base to finance the ever-increasing demands of the Muslim movement. The traditional method for acquiring wealth among the Arabs at the time was attacking other tribes and seizing their possessions. Muslims living in Medina found no easier way than doing that. They started to make raids (Ghaswa) on other tribes and passing caravans.

    The first raid was called an-Nakhla. Muslims, led by Abdullah bin Jahsh, waited in ambush near a place called an-Nakhla and took the passing Qorayshite caravan by surprise. Muslims killed the leader of the caravan and captured two men and the entire cargo goods.

    The turning point in Mohammed's life, however, was the raid against Badr. Muslims were able to kill dozens of Meccans and take scores of prisoners and much booty. On their way back to Medina some of those prisoners were put to death. One of them was a man name Uqbah bin abi Muait. Before his execution Uqbah pleaded with Mohammed saying, "Who, then, will take care of my little girl?" Mohammed answered, "Hell-fire."

    After that, a confident Mohammed starting moving against his enemies in a series of attacks that resulted in the elimination of Jewish tribes and the assassination of certain individuals for the slightest offense. The assassination of Kaab ibn al-Ashraf, of the Jewish tribe Banu al-Nodair, was prompted by Kaab showing sympathy for the Qorayshites, and then when he returned to Mecca he recited amorous poetry to Muslim women. Mohammed was enraged and asked for volunteers to rid him of ibn al-Ashraf. Those who volunteered asked for permission to lie in order to lure him out of his house at night into a remote area where they were able to kill him.

    A poetess named Asmaa bint Marwan was ordered to be killed for uttering a few verses of poetry against Mohammed. A Muslim assassin, acting on Mohammed's orders, crept at night into the women's bed while her suckling baby was attached to her breast. The man plucked the baby from her breast and then plunged his sword into her abdomen. Later, the killer, fearing the consequences of his crime, asked Mohammed, "Will there be any danger to me on her account?" Mohammed answered, "Two goats will not butt each other about her."

    There were many other outrageous assassinations ordered by Mohammed. Abu Afak, an old man of 120 years of age was murdered for composing poetry critical of the Prophet. Another brutal assassination was against an aged women by the name of Umm Kirfa. They tied her legs to camels which were then driven in opposite directions. The poor woman was split into two pieces.

    The reality of the Muslim assassin's brutality is punctuated by their practice of cutting off the heads of victims and bringing them to Mohammed. As the killers came into view carrying with them the evidence of Allah's victory over the enemies of Mohammed, a jubilant Mohammed would cry, "Allaho Akbar," (God is great)!

    The list of these horrendous acts is too long, much is too repulsive to mention. What has been cited should be sufficient to say about the man that Muslims describe as the "prophet of peace and mercy"!

    The essential problem is that the fruit of Mohammed's legacy exists today. As Muslims get deeper into Islam, they simply try to follow in the footsteps of their prime example. Can one still wonder why so much violence is committed, around the world, in the name of Islam?


    The Abrogator and the Abrogated
    In their attempt to polish Islam's image, Muslim activists usually quote the Meccan passages of the Quran that call for love, peace and patience. They deliberately hide the Medenan passages that call for killing, decapitating, and maiming.

    Muslim activists also fail to reveal to people in the West a major doctrine in Islam called "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that when a recent verse in the Quran gives a contradictory view to another verse that preceded it (chronologically), the recent verse abrogates (cancels and replaces) the old verse and renders it null and void.

    This doctrine is based on the Quran, where Allah allegedly says in Surah 2:106, "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" Also, in Surah 16:101 "When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not."

    One of Islam's classical reference books, written by a recognized Muslim scholar, deals in great detail with the subject. The title of the book is "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) by Abil-Kasim Hibat-Allah Ibn-Salama Abi-Nasr. The book goes through every chapter in the Quran and points in full detail to every verse that has been canceled and what verse replaced it. The author noted that out of 114 Surahs (chapters) of the Quran, there are only 43 Surahs that were not affected by this concept.

    An example of the abrogation: there are 124 versus that call for tolerance and patience which have been canceled and replaced by this one single verse: "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

    One doesn't help but wonder: how Allah, the all-powerful, the all-knowing, needs to revise himself so often?


    The Real Attitude of Islam Towards Christians and Jews
    We have discussed the facade that Muslim activists in the West have been displaying to Christians and Jews. They have been saying that Islam is compatible with Christianity and Judaism. Some Christian and Jewish leaders have been deceived into believing them. The following "Fatwa" (Sanction) by a prominent Islamist tells, exactly and bluntly, what Muslims really think of Christians and Jews.

    From the Muslim site of Ibrahim Shafi on the Internet:
    http://www.wam.uwd.edu/~ibrahim
    [Answer by Shaikh Ibn Uthaimin]

    Question: One of the preachers in one of the mosques in Europe claimed that it is not allowed to consider Jews and Christians disbelievers. You know - may Allah preserve you - that most of the people who attend the mosques in Europe have very little knowledge. We fear that statements like this one will become widespread. Therefore, we request from you a complete and clear answer to this question.

    Answer: I say: The statement that came from that man is misguidance. In fact, it can be blasphemy. This is because Allah has declared that Jews and Christians are disbelievers in His Book. Allah has said, "The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary: Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him)." [Al-Taubah 9:30, 31]

    That shows that they are polytheists who associate partners with Allah. In other verses, Allah has made it clear that they are disbelievers:

    "in blasphemy indeed are they who say that Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." {Al-Maidah 5:17 and 72]

    "They do blaspheme who say, God is one of three (in a Trinity)." {Al-Maidah 5:73]

    "Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected faith by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary." {Al-Maidah 5:78]

    "Those who reject (truth) among the People of the Book and the Polytheists will be in hellfire to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.." {Al-Bayyinah 98:6]


    Many versus and Hadith express the same meaning. The one, who rejects the idea that the Jews and Christians who do not believe in Mohammed (peace be upon him) and deny him are disbelievers, is in fact denying what Allah has said. Denying what Allah has said is blasphemy. If anyone has any doubt concerning them being disbelievers, then he himself is also a disbeliever. This is a matter concerning which there is no room for doubt. And help is sought only with Allah.

  3. #3
    Guest
    Keep inforning us. Thank you.

  4. #4
    Guest
    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    John 14:6

    "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed...

    John 3:14-20

    JESUS IS LORD!

  5. #5
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    Muslims have big $dicks$ too yam yam, I bet that scares you all with your little 6"

  6. #6
    Guest
    where can I get one? that's a dream come true

  7. #7
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    Whatever we say and do, is being recorded and will be presented in front of the entire mankind on the day of judgement.
    What if we say something about anything and that thing is not true, it is a big sin cuz someone innocent might take it is a truth and pass it on to the the next person and so on.And after a while the wrong information becomes the authentic right information.
    God sent so many meggengers for the benefit of mankind.Those messengers never asked anything for themselves.All they wanted was to preach the ONENESS of GOD.If they wanted, they could ask worldly stuff but none of 'em ever did...They were all so poor that you and I are millionaire in front of them.....WHY???
    Because they firmly believed that the life coming afterwards is the real life and they strived for it.They knew that no matter how much wealth one can have, there is no limit for that.So they never ran after it rather that welfare of mankind.
    Bill Gates is one of the wealthiest man but he get sick sometimes.He is not immortal.He can buy anything in this world he wants but one day he will leave this world and will be answerable of his doings in from of GOD.Will he take his Billions with him?...we ll see that.
    When we die,there will be questions like :
    * Where did you spend your money
    *Where did you spend your youth
    *Did you falsely accuse someone when that person did not have that stigma on his character
    Etc Etc...
    On that day God will ask all those people to call anyone for help and there will be no help cuz every one would be so so so deep in his/her problems that even the parents will not recognize their own sons and daughters.
    Please brothers and sisters, dont try to write any controversial topics in this forum here specially religion no matter what religion it is.
    We are all adults here and should respect each others feelings and origin.
    REMEMBER: Green card or US Citizenship is not a permit or pass to HEAVEN.Your acts are.So if I hurt just one person today, that person might grab me on the day of judgement and ask me for the damages.
    Since GOD has stopped sending any more prophets, we are the ones who have to pass on the message of Jesus and Muhammad , and David , and Moses and so on.
    Are we doing that or just making world a living hell.
    Demolish any temple, but dont break a heart cuz when its broken,Only GOD knows the feelings of that heart.
    I apologize in advance if someone is hurt.
    Thanx for reading

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