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Thread: U.S. to help fund immigrant care

  1. #1
    AND this is the infamous taxes they pay here HMMM I mean they steal from us.THEY PAY THERE WAY HERE ?????hmmmmmmmmmmmmtHE STRIPMINIG OF OUR WALLETS AND THIS COUNTRY COUNTIES.

     posted January 24, 2004 07:41 PM January 24, 2004 07:41 PM
    Does paying taxes mean the same as filling tax returns with IRS?
    Most ilegal aliens have low income and some of them have two children. With the gross income of 18,000 per household and child credit for two children no taxes are due and the taxpayer receives the child credit from IRS and the state for a total of 4,000$. In this case IRS sends a check to the taxpayer plus all taxes are returned to the tax payer.
    Can such a person filing taxes and receiving each year a tax credit (check) qualify for a green card?
    He has not paid any penny to IRS but he has received a tax credit instead but he filed tax returns legally!!!!!


    MAYBE PAY YOUR HOSPITALS BILLS WITH THOSE REFUNDS lololol

    HEALTHCARE
    U.S. to help fund immigrant care
    Hospitals that give emergency care to undocumented migrants will get $1 billion in federal dollars, which means providers like Jackson could recoup losses.
    BY DAVID OVALLE
    dovalle@herald.com


    A little-publicized provision in the Medicare bill passed late last year will make about $1 billion available to hospitals, such as Jackson Memorial Hospital, that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants.
    The money would chip away at the growing amount of so-called ''charity care'' that many hospitals say poses a serious financial burden. In 2001, the last year for which figures were available, Jackson Memorial spent $37 million to treat about 6,600 uninsured and undocumented patients.
    Nationally, some estimates by healthcare analysts place the total amount hospitals pay to treat undocumented people who cannot pay their medical bills at about $2 billion. Florida ranks behind California, Texas and Arizona in the amount its hospitals spend on care for undocumented patients.
    Much of the new federal money, which will be allocated over four years, will be given directly to hospitals in states that have the highest numbers of undocumented migrants. The Department of Health and Human Services, which administers Medicare and Medicaid, must still hammer out a formula to decide how much to give to individual hospitals that qualify for the money.
    Officials said they could not provide an estimate of how much money Florida hospitals would receive.
    Federal officials said they hope to have an application ready by September for funds that will become available starting next year.
    A TENSE ISSUE
    The issue of providing healthcare to illegal immigrants has become an intensifying source of controversy as the cost of healthcare has continued to soar. The General Accounting Office is expected later this year to release a report that will examine the issue of hospitals paying to treat undocumented immigrants.
    ''We're very interested in any program that is going to help us offset losses. We will certainly be looking at aggressively pursuing the money,'' said Conchita Ru*z-Topinka, a spokeswoman for Jackson. ``We're not going to step away from the commitment to the community.''
    A study released last year by the Florida Hospital Association found that in 2002, hospitals in the state spent at least $40.2 million to treat 705 uninsured foreign nationals.
    GUARANTEE OF CARE
    By law, hospitals cannot turn away patients who show up in their emergency rooms or ask them about their immigration status.
    At Jackson, one of the busiest public hospitals in the country, hospital administrators ask patients only to prove that they live in Miami-Dade County.
    Jackson's charity care is funded mostly by taxpayer dollars and fees collected from publicly or privately insured patients.
    Other Florida hospitals have racked up considerable bills -- and headlines -- for their medical treatment of undocumented migrants.
    Earlier this year, Martin Memorial Medical Center in Stuart was criticized for returning an uninsured, undocumented patient to his native Guatemala after he racked up $2 million in care over more than three years.
    Hospital spokeswoman Lisa McCluskey said that the hospital would analyze the Medicare bill's provision for reimbursement. ''It's too early to say if we're going to apply,'' she said.
    CARRYING THE BURDEN
    U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state.
    ''It's a good first step. The burden that falls on these local hospitals has been extraordinary,'' Foley said.

  2. #2
    AND this is the infamous taxes they pay here HMMM I mean they steal from us.THEY PAY THERE WAY HERE ?????hmmmmmmmmmmmmtHE STRIPMINIG OF OUR WALLETS AND THIS COUNTRY COUNTIES.

     posted January 24, 2004 07:41 PM January 24, 2004 07:41 PM
    Does paying taxes mean the same as filling tax returns with IRS?
    Most ilegal aliens have low income and some of them have two children. With the gross income of 18,000 per household and child credit for two children no taxes are due and the taxpayer receives the child credit from IRS and the state for a total of 4,000$. In this case IRS sends a check to the taxpayer plus all taxes are returned to the tax payer.
    Can such a person filing taxes and receiving each year a tax credit (check) qualify for a green card?
    He has not paid any penny to IRS but he has received a tax credit instead but he filed tax returns legally!!!!!


    MAYBE PAY YOUR HOSPITALS BILLS WITH THOSE REFUNDS lololol

    HEALTHCARE
    U.S. to help fund immigrant care
    Hospitals that give emergency care to undocumented migrants will get $1 billion in federal dollars, which means providers like Jackson could recoup losses.
    BY DAVID OVALLE
    dovalle@herald.com


    A little-publicized provision in the Medicare bill passed late last year will make about $1 billion available to hospitals, such as Jackson Memorial Hospital, that provide emergency care to undocumented immigrants.
    The money would chip away at the growing amount of so-called ''charity care'' that many hospitals say poses a serious financial burden. In 2001, the last year for which figures were available, Jackson Memorial spent $37 million to treat about 6,600 uninsured and undocumented patients.
    Nationally, some estimates by healthcare analysts place the total amount hospitals pay to treat undocumented people who cannot pay their medical bills at about $2 billion. Florida ranks behind California, Texas and Arizona in the amount its hospitals spend on care for undocumented patients.
    Much of the new federal money, which will be allocated over four years, will be given directly to hospitals in states that have the highest numbers of undocumented migrants. The Department of Health and Human Services, which administers Medicare and Medicaid, must still hammer out a formula to decide how much to give to individual hospitals that qualify for the money.
    Officials said they could not provide an estimate of how much money Florida hospitals would receive.
    Federal officials said they hope to have an application ready by September for funds that will become available starting next year.
    A TENSE ISSUE
    The issue of providing healthcare to illegal immigrants has become an intensifying source of controversy as the cost of healthcare has continued to soar. The General Accounting Office is expected later this year to release a report that will examine the issue of hospitals paying to treat undocumented immigrants.
    ''We're very interested in any program that is going to help us offset losses. We will certainly be looking at aggressively pursuing the money,'' said Conchita Ru*z-Topinka, a spokeswoman for Jackson. ``We're not going to step away from the commitment to the community.''
    A study released last year by the Florida Hospital Association found that in 2002, hospitals in the state spent at least $40.2 million to treat 705 uninsured foreign nationals.
    GUARANTEE OF CARE
    By law, hospitals cannot turn away patients who show up in their emergency rooms or ask them about their immigration status.
    At Jackson, one of the busiest public hospitals in the country, hospital administrators ask patients only to prove that they live in Miami-Dade County.
    Jackson's charity care is funded mostly by taxpayer dollars and fees collected from publicly or privately insured patients.
    Other Florida hospitals have racked up considerable bills -- and headlines -- for their medical treatment of undocumented migrants.
    Earlier this year, Martin Memorial Medical Center in Stuart was criticized for returning an uninsured, undocumented patient to his native Guatemala after he racked up $2 million in care over more than three years.
    Hospital spokeswoman Lisa McCluskey said that the hospital would analyze the Medicare bill's provision for reimbursement. ''It's too early to say if we're going to apply,'' she said.
    CARRYING THE BURDEN
    U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Palm Beach County who pushed for the GAO study, said that compensating Florida is the right thing to do because the government has not done enough to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the state.
    ''It's a good first step. The burden that falls on these local hospitals has been extraordinary,'' Foley said.

  3. #3
    Far cry from internment camps, massive deportations, and house-to-house raids wouldn't you say??

  4. #4
    it's sad, but if you're not going to depor tthem, or protect the border -- you *have* to treat them when they need health care.

    It's part of a civilized society. Treating those that need emergency care.

    -= nav =-

  5. #5
    moonie

    "it's sad, but if you're not going to depor tthem, or protect the border -- you *have* to treat them when they need health care.
    It's part of a civilized society. Treating those that need emergency care."

    Geez, it isn't that hard of a concept to grasp is it?? I don't see why so many people don't understand.........or maybe they do but their idealistic views get in the way.

    Denying services to millions who aren't going anywhere is pure folly, to say the least.

  6. #6
    I guess they have a lot more "accidents" then USC to run the "EMERGENCY CARE " bill so high it bankrupts the hospital..

    We sure are lucky to have all this cheap labor!

    The common definition of what constitutes emergency care required by federal law is "a serious life-threatening emergency. "

    Yet you go to the emergency rooms in this state, and you're in for a seven- or eight-hour wait because illegals are there with poison ivy, insect bites, bee stings, bruises and scrapes. A lot of the illegal aliens have fraudulently registered with our state Medicaid program, so they're going to the family practice clinics and ob-gyn clinics, getting all sorts of family practice care from the emergency rooms and a whole litany of medical services that they are not entitled to."


    There is no doubt that these costs are staggering. Federal laws and state court rulings requiring hospital emergency rooms to treat any patient, regardless of medical coverage (or immigration status) threaten any local hospitals with insolvency. Maricopa County Hospital hemorrhages an estimated $2 million dollars every week on this alone. The Tucson Medical Center closed its trauma center and Kino Community hospital stopped providing emergency services due to lack of funding.
    Many area hospitals are following suit. Arizona's hospitals report $1.4 billion a year in losses to uncompensated care. Arizona taxpayers have been stuck with a portion of the bill in the past; now in addition to the monetary cos,t they also face a loss of adequate health care for themselves and their families, because the government mandates these hospitals care for illegal aliens. The impact of providing unlimited medical services to the illegal community has cost Arizonans dearly. "Unfortunately in this state the hospitals are providing everything," McKee said, noting that the common definition of what constitutes emergency care required by federal law is "a serious life-threatening emergency. "Yet you go to the emergency rooms in this state, and you're in for a seven- or eight-hour wait because illegals are there with poison ivy, insect bites, bee stings, bruises and scrapes. A lot of the illegal aliens have fraudulently registered with our state Medicaid program, so they're going to the family practice clinics and ob-gyn clinics, getting all sorts of family practice care from the emergency rooms and a whole litany of medical services that they are not entitled to."
    In 2001, a University of Arizona study estimated the financial cost of illegals to the Arizona taxpayer. They found that a total cost in Fiscal Year 2001 of over $330 million dollars in three main categories: $140 million in health care costs, $100 million for education and $90 million in criminal justice expenses.

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