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Thread: Depotation/Overstay/Illegal entry/Separation/Illegal Aliens

  1. #1
    Dear Editor and Readers:

    Ever since 1996 we hear all over again how important it is to uphold the laws and that all illegal immigrants should be deported for breaking the law and sneaking in in front of those willing to patiently wait on line.
    And the "immigrant and amnesty advocates" do really bad service to their constituency by repeating the plea for a "mercy" for "hard working illegals".It sounds as if they were asking for leniency towards violent criminals and thiefs and thus requesting to allow them to get away with the crime without any repercussions.
    Such argument is badly constructed,is purely emotional and senseless and can not resonate in the minds of sound and clear thinking people.
    "The Law is the Law and there is no excuse for breaking it" the opponents of amnesty will say, and there is little you can argue against it.
    But, I think both parties( pro and against amnesty) ignore the very fact that I would like to highlight here:
    The fact is that there is a great difference between these two categories of immigrants, legal and illegal. So great that they are virtually uncomparable!
    Legal immigrants are not just simply law abiding, good guys. Legal immigrants are first of all those who CAN afford to be legal immigrants: spouses of US citizens, employees of big corporations, artists,extraordinary scientists and etc. These people, in most cases,are well established, connected people for whom it wouldn't EVER make a sense to break the law or stay in the US beyond the period authorized by AG (in case if they were non-immigrant visitors).
    The story of illegal immigrants is ENTIRELY different!

    1. Most of Illegal immigrants are from Mexico, where they can't find a job and where their families are simply starving to death. So, for them it is a matter of survival whether they will make to US where they can find any job to feed themselves and their families.
    Now, I want any LAW abiding US Citizen to think for a moment: if there was a GREAT depression in US tomorrow, if there were no opportunities whatsoever and if their children were starving while there was a possibility to cross the border illegaly and get a job in Canada:I would like to hear from them how many of them would prefer to stay here and die from hunger rather than go to Canada in search of a better life, even if they were not welcomed in Canada? It is easy to judge when you don't know.
    (Whether you like it or not is another question, and if you believe in Darvinistic theory that "weaklings must die" then I have no problem with that. Everyone has a right to hold his own opinion and I have nothing to say as long as one recognizes and admits what his true beliefs are).

    2. Another, significant bulk of illegal immigrants are the spouses of Permanent Residents and parents of minor US Citizen children.
    Very few americans actually know that if you are an alien who happens to marry a Perm. Res. wife/husband, and if you also have US born US Citizen children, under US Law you must leave the US and wait for at least 7-8 years "in-line" before your petition for Green Card is approved and you are allowed to join your family in US.
    Now, I am curious how many of good, law abiding citizens would abandon their families, their minor children and newly-wed wives only to see them some 8 years later?Could any relationship endure that?
    I hear some people say:"Well, you shouldn't marry non-citizen or you should take her/him back to your home country , or at least don't have children until you are lawfully reunited".
    I dare to suggest that Laws are MAN MADE and their purpose is to serve HUMAN BEINGS and NOT to OPPRESS them. If the opposite were true men would inevitably be forced to break those laws(look at any lawless third world country for a proof of this statement).
    Greatness of US Constitution is in its HUMANITY, REASONABLENESS and HARMONY.
    Now, apparently some of the Immigration Laws are not based on the same principles as US Constitution.
    For how it would be possible to demand of the man/woman not to marry a partner of their choice simply becasue the law of the land does not allow their immediate re-unification?
    How could you demand that man/woman reconsider their dreams to have a child because the law of the land will force that child to live as a half-orphan or have one of the parents as a law-breaking, "illegal" alien?
    Or how could you demand that both parents move back to the country where they will not be able to earn 1/10th of what they could earn in US , thus subjecting their US born US Citizen child to the powerty, lawlessness and possibly a criminal life in the absence of alternative?
    What if one of the partner are Asylee or Refufee and simply CAN NOT return to the country of origin that they share with the spouse?

    Why such unreasonable laws even exist?
    US Security concerns are viable and understandable and MUST be defended, but please explain to me how US interests are being served by separating a US Citizen child from the parent?
    How US interests are being served by forcing a parten of Perm. US Res. wait for 8 years out of the country for his name to come up in the list?
    How is it expected that families in such circumstances wouldn't break apart?
    How is it expected that US Citizen children who are forced to grow in broken families won't be tempted to break the law and become criminals as they mature in single parent families?
    And how is it expected that faced with the worst perspectives and ruine of family some parents won't risk crossing the border or staying in the US illegaly?
    I think unless these issues discussed, unless american public understands what some of the so called "illegal" aliens endure, majority will be against any kind of legalization.

    Another very wide spread myth is that illegal immigrants are criminals who are thriwing and living luxurious,dream-like lives at the expence of american taxpayers.
    That is not true to the best of my knowledge.
    Illegal immigrant first of all has no right to work and usually can't study or improve his/her skills to get a better paying jobs that he/she would qualify otherwise.
    That makes him/her vulnerable and exposes to all kinds of exploitation without any chance of remedy in fear of deportation.
    Illegal immigrant must live in a constant fear that he might be apprehended at work or while en route to work and subjected to deportation.
    Illegal immigrant must live in the shadows as criminals while their concience tells them that they have not commited any crime other than seeking a prosperity and happiness through hard work and honesty, very same things that are enshrined in Constitution as sacred rights of every individual.
    Illegal immigrant can't afford to buy a health insurance and thus he/she lives for many years without regular check-ups, so finally when he/she arrives to emergency room it is already too late to cure them and to put them back as productive units of society.And taxpayer, at that point, bears the expence og his healthcare.

    I could tell much more about hardships of illegal immigrants.
    To ignore them one must really believe that "immigrants" are made of difeerent stuff and thus any inhuman treatment is too good or justified towards them.
    I believe if these issues are raised there is a much better chance of gaining a public support for legalization and other programs that would help undocumented workers to emerge from the shadows.
    And US Security, of course, would benefit just as well by identifying and locating every undocumented alien living in this country.

    And, why not treat them all INDIVIDUALLY? Why NOT in the process of legalization identify those bad apples who came here for wrong purposes and thus separate, punish(if required) and deport them expediently instead of letting all 8 million mix together, good and bad, without doing anything about it and calling them all with the same name?

    After all, the real question is: WHO benefits from unsolved problem of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

    [This message was edited by E. on January 21, 2004 at 03:57 PM.]

  2. #2
    Dear Editor and Readers:

    Ever since 1996 we hear all over again how important it is to uphold the laws and that all illegal immigrants should be deported for breaking the law and sneaking in in front of those willing to patiently wait on line.
    And the "immigrant and amnesty advocates" do really bad service to their constituency by repeating the plea for a "mercy" for "hard working illegals".It sounds as if they were asking for leniency towards violent criminals and thiefs and thus requesting to allow them to get away with the crime without any repercussions.
    Such argument is badly constructed,is purely emotional and senseless and can not resonate in the minds of sound and clear thinking people.
    "The Law is the Law and there is no excuse for breaking it" the opponents of amnesty will say, and there is little you can argue against it.
    But, I think both parties( pro and against amnesty) ignore the very fact that I would like to highlight here:
    The fact is that there is a great difference between these two categories of immigrants, legal and illegal. So great that they are virtually uncomparable!
    Legal immigrants are not just simply law abiding, good guys. Legal immigrants are first of all those who CAN afford to be legal immigrants: spouses of US citizens, employees of big corporations, artists,extraordinary scientists and etc. These people, in most cases,are well established, connected people for whom it wouldn't EVER make a sense to break the law or stay in the US beyond the period authorized by AG (in case if they were non-immigrant visitors).
    The story of illegal immigrants is ENTIRELY different!

    1. Most of Illegal immigrants are from Mexico, where they can't find a job and where their families are simply starving to death. So, for them it is a matter of survival whether they will make to US where they can find any job to feed themselves and their families.
    Now, I want any LAW abiding US Citizen to think for a moment: if there was a GREAT depression in US tomorrow, if there were no opportunities whatsoever and if their children were starving while there was a possibility to cross the border illegaly and get a job in Canada:I would like to hear from them how many of them would prefer to stay here and die from hunger rather than go to Canada in search of a better life, even if they were not welcomed in Canada? It is easy to judge when you don't know.
    (Whether you like it or not is another question, and if you believe in Darvinistic theory that "weaklings must die" then I have no problem with that. Everyone has a right to hold his own opinion and I have nothing to say as long as one recognizes and admits what his true beliefs are).

    2. Another, significant bulk of illegal immigrants are the spouses of Permanent Residents and parents of minor US Citizen children.
    Very few americans actually know that if you are an alien who happens to marry a Perm. Res. wife/husband, and if you also have US born US Citizen children, under US Law you must leave the US and wait for at least 7-8 years "in-line" before your petition for Green Card is approved and you are allowed to join your family in US.
    Now, I am curious how many of good, law abiding citizens would abandon their families, their minor children and newly-wed wives only to see them some 8 years later?Could any relationship endure that?
    I hear some people say:"Well, you shouldn't marry non-citizen or you should take her/him back to your home country , or at least don't have children until you are lawfully reunited".
    I dare to suggest that Laws are MAN MADE and their purpose is to serve HUMAN BEINGS and NOT to OPPRESS them. If the opposite were true men would inevitably be forced to break those laws(look at any lawless third world country for a proof of this statement).
    Greatness of US Constitution is in its HUMANITY, REASONABLENESS and HARMONY.
    Now, apparently some of the Immigration Laws are not based on the same principles as US Constitution.
    For how it would be possible to demand of the man/woman not to marry a partner of their choice simply becasue the law of the land does not allow their immediate re-unification?
    How could you demand that man/woman reconsider their dreams to have a child because the law of the land will force that child to live as a half-orphan or have one of the parents as a law-breaking, "illegal" alien?
    Or how could you demand that both parents move back to the country where they will not be able to earn 1/10th of what they could earn in US , thus subjecting their US born US Citizen child to the powerty, lawlessness and possibly a criminal life in the absence of alternative?
    What if one of the partner are Asylee or Refufee and simply CAN NOT return to the country of origin that they share with the spouse?

    Why such unreasonable laws even exist?
    US Security concerns are viable and understandable and MUST be defended, but please explain to me how US interests are being served by separating a US Citizen child from the parent?
    How US interests are being served by forcing a parten of Perm. US Res. wait for 8 years out of the country for his name to come up in the list?
    How is it expected that families in such circumstances wouldn't break apart?
    How is it expected that US Citizen children who are forced to grow in broken families won't be tempted to break the law and become criminals as they mature in single parent families?
    And how is it expected that faced with the worst perspectives and ruine of family some parents won't risk crossing the border or staying in the US illegaly?
    I think unless these issues discussed, unless american public understands what some of the so called "illegal" aliens endure, majority will be against any kind of legalization.

    Another very wide spread myth is that illegal immigrants are criminals who are thriwing and living luxurious,dream-like lives at the expence of american taxpayers.
    That is not true to the best of my knowledge.
    Illegal immigrant first of all has no right to work and usually can't study or improve his/her skills to get a better paying jobs that he/she would qualify otherwise.
    That makes him/her vulnerable and exposes to all kinds of exploitation without any chance of remedy in fear of deportation.
    Illegal immigrant must live in a constant fear that he might be apprehended at work or while en route to work and subjected to deportation.
    Illegal immigrant must live in the shadows as criminals while their concience tells them that they have not commited any crime other than seeking a prosperity and happiness through hard work and honesty, very same things that are enshrined in Constitution as sacred rights of every individual.
    Illegal immigrant can't afford to buy a health insurance and thus he/she lives for many years without regular check-ups, so finally when he/she arrives to emergency room it is already too late to cure them and to put them back as productive units of society.And taxpayer, at that point, bears the expence og his healthcare.

    I could tell much more about hardships of illegal immigrants.
    To ignore them one must really believe that "immigrants" are made of difeerent stuff and thus any inhuman treatment is too good or justified towards them.
    I believe if these issues are raised there is a much better chance of gaining a public support for legalization and other programs that would help undocumented workers to emerge from the shadows.
    And US Security, of course, would benefit just as well by identifying and locating every undocumented alien living in this country.

    And, why not treat them all INDIVIDUALLY? Why NOT in the process of legalization identify those bad apples who came here for wrong purposes and thus separate, punish(if required) and deport them expediently instead of letting all 8 million mix together, good and bad, without doing anything about it and calling them all with the same name?

    After all, the real question is: WHO benefits from unsolved problem of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

    [This message was edited by E. on January 21, 2004 at 03:57 PM.]

  3. #3
    And just why is the plight of Mexicans any more pressing than the plight of millions of Turks or Egyptians, for example? Or people from the 100 plus countries in the world where the standard of living is lower than that in Mexico?
    For that matter, there are desperate US citizens in this country, the most desperate of whom have to compete with illegal aliens for unskilled jobs.

    As for family--if you know you're here illegally, then why have children? Particularly children the US taxpayer picks up the tab for? The answer is, they're hoping precisely what you want for them--that the children will give them an anchor here. To some extent, they do--if an illegal alien is put into deportation proceedings, a judge will decide if there will be "extreme hardship". But it's too bad the parents weren't worried about that when they decided to have kids. Just another example of their lack of personal responsibility.

    The fact is, illegal aliens make their own bed. Legal immigrants have the respect for us and our way of life to play fair and wait their turn.

  4. #4
    As an aside, I cannot begin to tell you how many people call our law firm asking us if the birth of a child on U.S. soil will make them "legal." I feel so sorry for those children who were born because of the erroneous impression that they would make their parents' illegal presence in the U.S. legal...at least not until the children are 21.

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