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    Originally posted by NeedHelpFast:
    Ron Paul 2008
    Ron Paul is unelectable, NHF.

    political positions of Ron Paul
    I know its Wikipedia, but it shows just how unelectable he is.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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    Too pro-constitutional??
    I agree he has an uphill climb, but the American people love him. They won't give him any air time, but he has the largest internet following out of all the candidates.

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    After a year of presidential campaigning, voters still undecided on Democratic, GOP candidates

    By LIBBY QUAID , Associated Press

    Last update: December 30, 2007 - 9:14 AM

    The 2008 presidential race began so early that voters have been on a first-name basis for months with Hillary and Barack, Rudy, Mitt and the other contenders. Yet people seem no closer to choosing from among them.

    Democrats are hopeful of reclaiming the White House, helped by President Bush's unpopularity, general unhappiness with the Iraq war and fears about the worsening housing and credit crunches. Those issues will be waiting for whoever succeeds him.

    If dollars are any indication, the Democrats have generated more enthusiasm, pulling in about 50 percent more money than the Republican presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards and the other Democrats had raised $225.3 million to the Republicans' $149 million, as of Sept. 30.

    In national polling, New York Sen. Clinton held a big lead throughout the year and was seen as the candidate to beat. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani dominated the Republican field; his closest competitor, Arizona Sen. John McCain, plunged in the polls after spending too much money and losing several top aides. McCain righted his campaign and slowly began to climb. Actor-politician Fred Thompson was supposed to invigorate the GOP, but his entry into the race was late and lackluster. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney crept up steadily and led in early-voting states until Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher and conservative favorite, threatened to win Iowa.

    The year ended as it began, with national leads for Clinton and Giuliani despite arguments that the former first lady is too polarizing and he is too liberal for his party.

    Even so, the nomination races were far from settled where it really counts, in states where the nomination battles will be waged.

    Why so chaotic? Two reasons, said David Rohde, political science professor at Duke University. There is no president or vice president running _ for the first time in half a century _ and people don't necessarily like their choices for new leaders.

    "The main reason is that each of the candidates has some significant weakness," Rohde said. "This is more than not perfect. These are serious deficits."

    Among Democrats, voters worry that if Clinton wins the nomination she might not win the general election, that Illinois Sen. Obama lacks experience and that former North Carolina Sen. Edwards isn't much different from when he and John Kerry ran and lost four years ago, Rohde said.

    Among Republicans, voters are uncomfortable with Giuliani's left-leaning positions as New York mayor on abortion and other social issues. They're also concerned about Romney's flexible stances and his Mormonism, about McCain's independent inclinations and Thompson's muted campaigning, he said.

    After nearly a year of presidential politicking, voters in Iowa and New Hampshire are divided among the leading candidates, and more than half are still undecided, according to CBS/New York Times polls in the two states.

    That makes the race up for grabs in the states voting in the opening weeks of 2008.

    Among Democrats, Clinton is essentially tied with Obama and Edwards in Iowa, which begins the voting with caucuses on Jan. 3. Her rivals view Iowa as the one place they might block Clinton.

    Clinton is targeting women who are new to the Iowa caucuses, while Obama is courting young voters and Edwards is working to turn out traditional caucus attendees, especially those in rural areas. Clinton has a comfortable lead in New Hampshire, which votes on Jan. 8, and the former first lady has millions of dollars to compete in the states that come next.

    As for Republicans, Romney hopes victories in Iowa and New Hampshire will clear a path for him in the later states though Huckabee had seized the edge in Iowa. Giuliani aims to win in bigger, later-voting states such as Florida on Jan. 29 and California, New York and Illinois on Feb. 5, but he still is taking on Romney in New Hampshire, where he recently began running his first TV ads of the campaign.

    Thompson hopes to win on Jan. 19 in South Carolina, where he runs close to Giuliani and Romney in polls. McCain could do well in New Hampshire.

    Potential spoilers lurk in Ron Paul, an underdog GOP Texas congressman who managed to raise more than $4 million in one day, and in New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who could launch an independent bid next year.

    On the issues, Democrats have been arguing lately about health care; Clinton and Edwards offer universal plans requiring everyone to have insurance, while Obama opposes such a requirement.

    Immigration has become a dominant issue for Republicans: Many voters tell pollsters it's No. 1. Romney and Thompson are running ads that call for secure borders and denounce amnesty for illegal immigrants. Giuliani, who as mayor advocated some pro-immigrant policies, is calling for a "virtual" fence with high-tech monitoring to stop illegal immigration; his ads have focused on his crime-fighting and tax-cutting in New York.

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    If Hillary gets in, I'm moving to Italy, no joke!

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    Funny! The Democrats will not occupy the White House if she is the nominee.

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    Seattle Times

    Politics and Government

    Friday, December 28, 2007 - Page updated at 03:27 PM

    Paul Most Searched GOP Hopeful
    Ron Paul registers in the single digits in most polls, but he's the top searched Republican presidential candidate on Google, according to the Web site's trend history.

    A large volume of hits for Paul in the last 30 days are coming from Iowa, as voters there prepare to caucus Jan. 3. The same holds true for most of his rivals, with the exception of Mitt Romney and John McCain.

    Disproportionally, more of Romney's searches in that span are coming from Utah, the seat of his Mormon faith. More of McCain's hits are disproportionally coming from New Hampshire, where he won the Republican presidential primary in 2000.

    People sought more information about the contenders around news events.

    Fred Thompson saw a spike in searches in early September, about the time the actor-politician announced his bid for the White House. He's now lower than he was in April. Romney saw an increase in the days surrounding his Dec. 6 speech on his faith.

    Mike Huckabee has been surging in the polls and seeing an increase in the number of people searching for his name. While he's a far second behind Paul, he's just ahead of Romney.

    McCain and Giuliani aren't searched as frequently, the site's search pattern shows

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    Will Ron Paul Play Spoiler?
    GOP Presidential Hopeful May Be Polling In The Single Digits, But He's Flush With Cash And Not Going Away

    Dec. 19, 2007

    This story was written by political reporter Brian Montopoli.

    Ask Ron Paul's supporters, and they'll tell you they fully expect a certain anti-war, anti-federal reserve, anti-department of education, pro-small federal government congressman from Texas to be the Republican nominee for president.

    Ask the pollsters, however, and they'll tell you a different story. Paul has 4 percent support nationally from Republican voters in the most recent CBS News/New York Times poll, which puts him in sixth place. He's doing a bit better in the crucial early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire - polls in both states put him around 8 percent support - but he remains a long shot to win either contest.

    Polling doesn't mean everything, of course, and Paul's backers will tell you that the numbers don't reflect Paul's true levels of support. But even in New Hampshire, where Republicans are famously libertarian-leaning, the congressman may have reached his ceiling, according to University of New Hampshire political scientist Dante Scala.

    "There's still a vein of rugged individualism in New Hampshire, especially among Republicans, but I think Paul has tapped into that vein already," says Scala. "I think we've seen as many as he's gonna get."

    Still, Paul has the cash to keep his name, and message, front and center: He raised $6 million in a one-day fundraising drive on Sunday, bringing him to $18 million in the past three months, a stunning total for a candidate polling at less than five percent support nationally. He has been running television ads in New Hampshire as part of a $1.1 million ad buy, and has a new spot in production that will be on the air soon, according to his campaign. He has passionate backers willing to do everything they can to spread the Ron Paul gospel - whether via blog comment, YouTube video featuring original music, or giant blimp. And he has vowed to stay in the race until at least Feb. 5th.

    All of which means Paul has a real chance to make a difference in who becomes the Republican presidential nominee - even if it's not him. In New Hampshire, independent voters can vote in either party's primary, and Paul, one of the few GOP candidates to break with Republican orthodoxy on a number of issues, is fighting for their support. His main rivals may be two other candidates who appeal to unaffiliated voters: Sen. John McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

    McCain's strategy in the crucial first primary state, in fact, relies largely on winning over independents, who helped him beat George W. Bush by 18 points in the 2000 New Hampshire primary. McCain recently won the endorsement of perhaps the country's most well-known independent - Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut - and has been touring the state with him in an effort to woo independent voters.

    Paul and McCain are the sorts of candidates that make traditional Republican primary voters uneasy, in part because of their positions on the war (in Paul's case) and illegal immigration (in McCain's.) But there is one crucial difference, according to **** Bennett, president of American Research Group: Republican primary voters don't see Paul as a potential winner.

    "Undeclared voters want to pick a candidate who has some chance of being president," says Bennett. "The vast majority of those voters don't believe that Paul does."

    Bennett characterizes Paul's supporters as "out of the Republican mainstream."

    "It's a mixture of old-right conservatives that feel a little disenfranchised with where they Republican Party has gone," says Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. "A lot of independents who are sick and tired of this war and Democrats who won't commit to significant troop level reductions until 2013. And there's a whole new base of supporters, people in their 20s and 30s, who have not been in politics before."

    Benton acknowledges the difficulty of convincing traditional Republican voters to support Paul.

    "One of the characteristics of being a conservative is loyalty," Benton says. "Conservatives are very loyal. So it's been a difficult conversation to talk to conservatives about this war, especially conservatives who are remaining loyal to the Bush administration and our failed policy in Iraq."

    Paul is a polarizing figure: The only GOP candidate who regularly gets booed in debates, he also inspires the kind of rabid support from his supporters you rarely see for more traditional candidates like Mitt Romney.

    "I don't think he's anybody's second choice," says Scala. "You either love the guy, think he's the answer to the country's problems, or you've either never heard of the guy and have all these negative perceptions of him."

    If the majority of Paul's supporters are truly outsiders to the political process, his presence in the race may not make much difference, since Paul voters wouldn't have broken for a candidate like McCain in the first place. But Paul's campaign, with its decentralized fundraising and unabashed libertarian ethos, has already proven that it can surprise people. Pressed to compare Paul to candidates who have come before him, Scala takes a good ten seconds to answer.

    "Steve Forbes was a bit of a libertarian on economic issues, but he's nothing like Paul," says Scala. "There's Pat Buchanan in 1992, but that doesn't really work either. This campaign so far has really been in a class by itself."

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    Originally posted by NeedHelpFast:
    Too pro-constitutional??
    I agree he has an uphill climb, but the American people love him. They won't give him any air time, but he has the largest internet following out of all the candidates.
    I think you are getting confused between staunch party supporters and the average voter. About a third, if not a little more, will sit out the primaries because they are neither registered Democrat nor Republican. Right now, it is a race to win the party election, not the Presidency. And young voters, those who follow the internet on a daily basis, are the least likely to vote, historically. He and Obama are counting on them more and more. I just have a feeling they will not show up at the polls. I want them too, but I don't think it will happen.

    What Ron Paul will do is emphasize his strong points while minimizing his weak points. But if certain candidates or people ask him why he supports leaving NATO and WTO, then he will scramble for excuses while not giving answers.

    The problem with the Republican party is that there are no recognizable candidates that combine the social conservatives with the fiscal conservatives as their core supporters. It is either one or the other. The Democratic party is a wee bit more organized, but again, they are trying to rule from the middle like Bill Clinton did from tiem to time. The question is will it work or will it be a fiasco?
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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