ILW.COM - the immigration portal Immigration Daily

Home Page


Immigration Daily

Archives

Processing times

Immigration forms

Discussion board

Resources

Blogs

Twitter feed

Immigrant Nation

Attorney2Attorney

CLE Workshops

Immigration books

Advertise on ILW

VIP Network

EB-5

移民日报

About ILW.COM

Connect to us

Make us Homepage

Questions/Comments


SUBSCRIBE

Immigration Daily


Chinese Immig. Daily




The leading
immigration law
publisher - over
50000 pages of
free information!
Copyright
1995-
ILW.COM,
American
Immigration LLC.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 25

Thread: Illegal Immigration 101: result of economic need

  1. #1
    It's simple. If American employers would not be willing to hire illegal aliens, then they would not come. But, as you and I know, economics is a lot stronger than your personal feelings on how the law should be enforced. If you own a business and need to stay profitable, you will attempt to keep your labor costs down. Your choices: 1) hire an unstable out of high school kid for $10/hr that will leave in 6 months. 2) hire a ex-convict or disgruntled person that has personal problems for $10/hr. 3)hire a hungry illegal immigrant that will bust his butt daily to keep this job --oh, by the way...at $7/hr. It takes a first grader to decide what's best for that business to be profitable... Is this hard for all of you to understand this concept? Don't blame the illegal aliens, blame yourselves --- but maybe, you don't mind this issue after you put your $$ hat on.

  2. #2
    It's simple. If American employers would not be willing to hire illegal aliens, then they would not come. But, as you and I know, economics is a lot stronger than your personal feelings on how the law should be enforced. If you own a business and need to stay profitable, you will attempt to keep your labor costs down. Your choices: 1) hire an unstable out of high school kid for $10/hr that will leave in 6 months. 2) hire a ex-convict or disgruntled person that has personal problems for $10/hr. 3)hire a hungry illegal immigrant that will bust his butt daily to keep this job --oh, by the way...at $7/hr. It takes a first grader to decide what's best for that business to be profitable... Is this hard for all of you to understand this concept? Don't blame the illegal aliens, blame yourselves --- but maybe, you don't mind this issue after you put your $$ hat on.

  3. #3
    It may shock you, matrix maker, but what employers want really isn't what this Republic is based on. There is no "right" to succeed under capitalism; rather, the contrary. Furthermore, employers may want cheap labor, but they pass the costs of that labor on to the rest of us. Better that the people who actually use a product or service pay fair market value for it, than that the rest of society subsidize them. Then, too--if employers REALLY want cheap labor, why not just re-institute slavery?

    Your argument is also wrong--people do not always want or even prefer the lowest price. In fact, under monopolistic competition, which is what most businesses in this country operate under, the idea is to differentiate your product or service from others on aspects other than price. Target, for example, has done this against Wal-Mart by creating good design at a good price (although not necessarily the LOWEST price). For some products, a high price is actually desirable--think of "status" items such as Ipod, various athletic shoes, Rolex watches, and the like. What employers are usually concerned with is not pleasing the customer, but in keeping THEIR PROFITS UP INTO THE STRATOSPHERE.

    I certainly do blame employers for breaking the laws, but I also blame illegal aliens. How many of them are being kidnapped and brought here against their will? They're not innocents in this, and don't deserve to have their part in it ignored.

  4. #4
    If we don't allow the Immigrants (Illegal or legal) to do the lower paying jobs, if you will, doesn't this force the work out of our country though? I believe we want to keep as many jobs in the US to allow economic growth. If the jobs disipate then don't we all lose?

    We cannot blame the fall of the US ecoonomy on migrant workers solely. We can incorporate blame on CEO's that need 25 million dollar vacation homes, and companies that over pay the American worker their retirement benefits (GM). Look how these millions of people are going to suffer, and they are all legal status.

    No blame here can be placed on the migrant workers!!!

  5. #5
    Now, just how are farmers going to outsource picking crops? How will owners of buildings outsource cleaning them? How will construction companies have buildings built overseas?

    In other words, the jobs that illegal aliens are doing are the jobs that need to be done in THIS COUNTRY, and are likely to be the only alternatives left as we see the outsourcing of work which can be done overseas, such as manufacturing or computer programming. Just what are the workers being laid off from manufacturing jobs going to do--become doctors? scientists? More likely, they'll be competing with illegal aliens for construction jobs, cleaning, gardening, etc.

    Those benefits to corporate honchos you cite are all part of the same problem--greed. Business interests seek illegal aliens to keep wages down and their profits up. Those profits are a big part of what corporate executives bonuses are based on. Illegal aliens are therefore a critical part of the problem. In fact, the wealthiest Americans (those with incomes over about $ half million a year, or roughly 1 percent of the population) have seen their share of US wealth go up several hundred percent while the rest of us tred water.

  6. #6
    Matrix maker, you and the rest of the illegal s-c-u-m-b-a-g-s on here have tried to use the same b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t reason why illegals come here. You are all criminals and should be treated as such. Aliba is speaking words of wisdom and something you people don't understand.........the TRUTH

  7. #7
    Paddy, tell us how you had your naturalization, and we'll tell you who you are.

  8. #8
    how ironic is to read Paddy's rant about her miserable life. You just solidfy my point about the low-income white trash that competes with Illegal Alliens. I just fired a POS like you the other day --- good luck in your life.

    Back to an intellegent argument. You guys must first take a Supply/Demand class before you give your ignorant opions. As long as there's a motive to hire low wage employees, illegal aliens will meet this demand. IF YOU BUILD IT,THEY WILL COME. ( psychology 101).

  9. #9
    I have an M.B.A. and Ph.D. in business, including economics (not "supply/demand class", Matrix), which are probably 2 more degrees than you have.

    Business always wants low wage labor to increase its profits BUT society does not have to let it have it. In fact, slavery was the ultimate in low wage labor, and we abolished that. We also have immigration laws intended to control the supply of labor so that wages go up or are at least not undercut. Businesses which violate the law are engaging in anticompetitive practices, and are at risk of being fined under RICO. Some already have been.

    In other words, what business wants is secondary to what society in general wants, at least in the U.S., or is supposed to be in this country. This is a big part of what has voters upset, and is a big part of why Congress, which has been pandering to business interests, now finds itself between the rock and the hard place on immigration. Voters know that THEY'RE the ones subsidizing businesses which hire cheap labor. As noted economist Milton Friedman pointed out, one cannot have both a welfare state and open immigration.

    Let's take your reasoning to the ultimate, Matrix--business gets all the labor it wants and drives wages for everyone into the toilet. Who will there be to buy their products? Where will there be mass markets for computers? Ipods? Cars? Overseas maybe, but not in the U.S. In fact, the U.S. would resemble most developing countries. Or, Mexico, with its small elite and widespread poverty. We're already headed that way. The share of wealth in the U.S. owned by the wealthiest 1 percent just went up to over 30 percent. America's consumer society was created because wise businessmen like Henry Ford realized that their employees were also consumers, and that if you wanted to sell more cars (or any other product), people had to have the means to buy them. That's the definition of a market, Matrix--people with money and the will to buy. People alone don't do it (consider India), and neither does money (how long would most businesses stay afloat if they relied on purchases by a handful of millionaires?).

    An unlimited supply of labor, such as you have with open borders or illegal immigration or guest worker programs, means that labor has no bargaining power. No ability to negotiate for higher wages or better conditions. If you try to, your employer can easily replace you. Cesar Chavez gained improvements in the lot of farm workers BECAUSE he opposed illegal immigration and worked to prevent it. Those gains were lost when illegal immigration and anti-union efforts increased the available supply of labor.

  10. #10
    Great words Aliba. As for you Matrix scum......I have 2 bachelors degrees, one in economics and the other in Computer science so I think I am more than capable of beating you into submission with the truth

Similar Threads

  1. ILLEGAL ALIENS 101 REPORT MARYLAND EMPLOYERS
    By AMDACTIVIST in forum Immigration Discussion
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 06-22-2010, 12:42 AM
  2. The End Result: When Immigration Attorneys Evade Immigration Laws
    By Cheryl D. Uzamere in forum Immigration Discussion
    Replies: 97
    Last Post: 01-29-2009, 03:33 PM
  3. SECTION 101(A)(15)
    By dtc in forum Immigration Discussion
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-17-2005, 11:17 AM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 01-11-2005, 04:20 AM
  5. Christmas 101 for Grints
    By Michael in forum Immigration Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-16-2003, 06:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Put Free Immigration Law Headlines On Your Website

Immigration Daily: the news source for legal professionals. Free! Join 35000+ readers Enter your email address here: