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Thread: Can a mother travel with US citizen son without father`s concent?

  1. #1
    I am a citizen of Tunisia, my wife is a citizen of Lebanon and we both are living in New York - USA.
    We have a two years old baby boy born her in the United States.
    Could you please tell me how can I prevent my wife at anytime from traveling with my baby aboad without my concent.
    We already issued a passport for the baby and I am holding this passeport, how can I also prevent my wife from issuing him and other passeport without my concent.

  2. #2
    I am a citizen of Tunisia, my wife is a citizen of Lebanon and we both are living in New York - USA.
    We have a two years old baby boy born her in the United States.
    Could you please tell me how can I prevent my wife at anytime from traveling with my baby aboad without my concent.
    We already issued a passport for the baby and I am holding this passeport, how can I also prevent my wife from issuing him and other passeport without my concent.

  3. #3
    She could lie and file for a lost passport and be reissued another one. I too wonder, why are you concerned about the possibility of this happening?

  4. #4
    I think once in Lebanon, dad loses ALL parental rights, no appeal. I heard some horror stories of one parent leaving the country with the kids and never to return, and American law cannot help because the children in Lebanon are considered Lebanese citizens residing with their rightful parent, no matter HOW they got there. These are very legitimate concerns.
    Mikemeziou, contact the passport issuing office and let them know of your concerns. They MAY be able to block any other requests for a lost passport of your child without your IN PERSON consent. You will probably need to do this in writing. This is no gaurentee, however. Sometimes passport approvals get through without being properly verified. If you are to the point that you are holding the passport, there must be a certain level of distrust or suspcion present already. Has she threatened to leave with the baby? If so, why? You need some counsel asap to address your concerns.

  5. #5
    Thank you for your posts.
    Well, the reason why I asked that quetion is because we had a normal fight as it happens between couples.
    And at this anger time she said I will take my son and trvael back home, aand you wont be able to see him again all your life.
    My son is my love, so I want to take my precautions from something like that to happen.
    Is there anyway how to have his name on the system at airports and prevent him from taking any flights without my and her concent?

  6. #6
    Not sure, but worth looking into! Contact the passport issuing agency as well and ask them how to put your son's passport on alert.

  7. #7
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikemeziou:
    I am a citizen of Tunisia, my wife is a citizen of Lebanon and we both are living in New York - USA.
    We have a two years old baby boy born her in the United States.
    Could you please tell me how can I prevent my wife at anytime from traveling with my baby aboad without my concent.
    We already issued a passport for the baby and I am holding this passeport, how can I also prevent my wife from issuing him and other passeport without my concent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Who has custody of the child?
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

  8. #8
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NeedHelpFast:
    I think once in Lebanon, dad loses ALL parental rights, no appeal. I heard some horror stories of one parent leaving the country with the kids and never to return, and American law cannot help because the children in Lebanon are considered Lebanese citizens residing with their rightful parent, no matter HOW they got there. These are very legitimate concerns.
    Mikemeziou, contact the passport issuing office and let them know of your concerns. They MAY be able to block any other requests for a lost passport of your child without your IN PERSON consent. You will probably need to do this in writing. This is no gaurentee, however. Sometimes passport approvals get through without being properly verified. If you are to the point that you are holding the passport, there must be a certain level of distrust or suspcion present already. Has she threatened to leave with the baby? If so, why? You need some counsel asap to address your concerns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    NOt necessarily. Lebanon has a patriarchial legal system. For one, separation between spouses is very rare. Second, there is an international law, which Lebanon has signed, that deals with child custody cases. Since both are living in the US, US law prevails if the father has primary custody of the child. What I mean is that if family court grants primary custody of the child, then that parent is considered legal guardian of that child under preference of state law. The other spouse may have joint legal custody, but not the preference. This is exactly what happened in the Elian Gonza*** case a few years ago. So, the question is who has legal

    If no court of jurisdiction has ruled on custody, then the parent which they now reside may use Lebonese court to have custody.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

  9. #9
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mikemeziou:
    Thank you for your posts.
    Well, the reason why I asked that quetion is because we had a normal fight as it happens between couples.
    And at this anger time she said I will take my son and trvael back home, aand you wont be able to see him again all your life.
    My son is my love, so I want to take my precautions from something like that to happen.
    Is there anyway how to have his name on the system at airports and prevent him from taking any flights without my and her concent? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Depending on how serious the argument was, She may be bluffing or she may not. To protect yourself, you need to seek legal counseling on family law. Your rights as the father are protected, internationally. If harm has been done in the US, then US courts, particuluraily the state courts, have primary jurisdiction. The only thing she could do is use her family influence to keep the child from the proper authorities. And the way Lebanon is in right now poltically, it would be easy.

    A state or local court could take away her passport so that she does not travel if flight risk is prevelent. That is your only hope.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

  10. #10
    On July 2, 2001, the Department of State began implementation of a new law regarding the passport applications of minor U.S. citizens under the age of 14. A person now applying for a passport for a child under 14 must show that both parents consent to the issuance or that the applying parent has sole authority to obtain the passport. Passport applications made in the U.S. and at consular offices abroad will both be covered by the new law. Exceptions to this requirement may be made in special family circumstances or exigent circumstances necessitating the immediate travel of the child.

    The a look at the links below for more details.

    http://travel.state.gov/family/abduc...urces_554.html

    http://travel.state.gov/pdf/entrychild_issuance.pdf

    http://travel.state.gov/family/abduc...ntion_560.html

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