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Thread: Immigrant Bill Fallout May Hurt House GOP

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    This is the article that racist bigots conservative extremists like aliba,paddy and marmaduck dont want you to read

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    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, April 12, 2006; Page A01

    In the wake of this week's massive demonstrations, many House Republicans are worried that a tough anti-illegal-immigration bill they thought would please their political base has earned them little benefit while becoming a lightning rod for the fast-growing national movement for immigrant rights.

    House Republicans rushed through legislation just before Christmas that would build hundreds of miles of fence along the U.S.-Mexico border, mandate that businesses verify the legality of all employees through a national database, fortify border patrols, and declare illegal immigrants and those who help them to be felons. After more lenient legislation failed in the Senate last week, the House-passed version burst into public this week, as hundreds of thousands of protesters across the country turned out to denounce the bill.

    Yesterday, House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) issued a joint statement seeking to deflect blame for the harshest provisions of the House bill toward the Democrats, who they said showed a lack of compassion. "It remains our intent to produce a strong border security bill that will not make unlawful presence in the United States a felony," Hastert and Frist said.

    Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) fired back that "there's no running away from the fact that the Republican House passed a bill and Senator Frist offered one that criminalizes immigrants."

    House Democrats acknowledged they helped block Republican efforts on the floor last December to soften the Republican-crafted section declaring illegal immigrants to be felons, but they said ultimate responsibility for the bill rests with the Republicans, who voted overwhelmingly for its passage.

    "The Democrats were not going to do anything to make it easier for Republicans to pass an atrocious bill," said Jennifer Crider, a spokeswoman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

    Yesterday's maneuvering underscores how the immigration issue has mushroomed into a fierce political debate with potentially large stakes heading into the November congressional elections. The hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets Monday vividly demonstrated the power of the issue, which some strategists say threatens to undercut President Bush's long-standing hope of making Hispanic voters a GOP constituency.

    "There was political calculation that they could make this the wedge issue of 2006 and 2008, but it's not playing out that way," said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.). "This has galvanized and energized the Latino community like no other issue I have seen in two decades, and that's going to have electoral consequences."

    Republicans say they could accept that sentiment if they believed they had won political points from the GOP's restive base. But for all the negatives, they don't have many positives to show for their efforts.

    "From the standpoint of those who would applaud the House's stand, I'd say we have not gotten sufficient credit," said Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), a reliable supporter of House leaders. "I'm somewhat distressed that they have not gotten word of what we've done."

    The politics of the issue have shifted markedly since the House acted. Republican lawmakers are increasingly saying they will now consider some avenue to grant illegal immigrants access to lawful employment. And Democrats who voted for the House bill with a eye on their political futures or to preempt feared attacks from conservatives are rethinking their position.

    Rep. Ted Strickland (D-Ohio), a supporter of the bill, was greeted by protesters and shouts of "Migration is not a crime" in February when he opened his Ohio gubernatorial campaign office in Cleveland. Now, he regrets his vote, campaign spokesman Jess Goode said.

    The 36 Democrats who voted for passage included Rep. John T. Salazar (Colo.) -- whose brother, Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), has railed against the House measure -- and Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr. (Tenn.), who may find it difficult to tap into the mobilizing Latino vote in his run for the Senate this year.

    Although much has been made of the failed efforts in the Senate last week to forge a bipartisan measure to toughen border security while creating a system to allow many of the 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants here to achieve legal status or citizenship, the actions in the House late last year have received little attention until now.

    House GOP leaders had rushed lawmakers back to Washington for a rare December session to vote on the immigration measure, hoping to give their members an accomplishment to brag about over a long winter recess. But it was the deft maneuvering of Democrats that preserved the bill's most infamous provision, declaring illegal immigrants felons, and that provision has helped turn the bill into a political albatross for some Republicans, Democrats say.

    The bill, written by House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), was passed in a matter of hours, nine days before Christmas. Just seven amendments were allowed to come to a vote, none of them fundamentally altering the legislation.

    Sensenbrenner's committee bill included the felony provision, but when he took it to the House floor Dec. 16, he offered an amendment to downgrade the offense of being an undocumented worker from a felony to a misdemeanor.

    The Democratic leadership pushed its members to vote against the amendment, and 191 Democrats did. Only eight Democrats voted with Sensenbrenner.

    "It was an ugly bill in most respects, the felony stuff, the wall and no amendments," said Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who tried to add a guest-worker provision but was not allowed a vote. "The leadership saw this more as a statement than a policy, but I think in the end we would have been better off had we been more deliberative."

    With so little debate, media coverage was minimal, and what coverage there was got little notice in the holiday bustle, Republicans say.

    "We're victims of our own success," said Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.).

    Sensenbrenner's bill is getting attention now, not so much from Republican base voters but from Spanish-language radio shows and Latino activists who have made it the focus of marches that have drawn more than a million protesters. One sign Monday on the Mall read "Sense, not Sensenbrenner."

    In a letter to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops last week, Sensenbrenner charged that all but eight Democrats "decided to play political game by voting to make all illegal immigrants felons."

    But Democratic votes alone did not seal defeat. Sixty-five Republicans voted against it, too, including anti-immigrant firebrands such as Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.) and moderates such as Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) voted against the amendment and the bill just weeks before he was elected majority leader

  2. #2
    This is the article that racist bigots conservative extremists like aliba,paddy and marmaduck dont want you to read

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    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, April 12, 2006; Page A01

    In the wake of this week's massive demonstrations, many House Republicans are worried that a tough anti-illegal-immigration bill they thought would please their political base has earned them little benefit while becoming a lightning rod for the fast-growing national movement for immigrant rights.

    House Republicans rushed through legislation just before Christmas that would build hundreds of miles of fence along the U.S.-Mexico border, mandate that businesses verify the legality of all employees through a national database, fortify border patrols, and declare illegal immigrants and those who help them to be felons. After more lenient legislation failed in the Senate last week, the House-passed version burst into public this week, as hundreds of thousands of protesters across the country turned out to denounce the bill.

    Yesterday, House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) issued a joint statement seeking to deflect blame for the harshest provisions of the House bill toward the Democrats, who they said showed a lack of compassion. "It remains our intent to produce a strong border security bill that will not make unlawful presence in the United States a felony," Hastert and Frist said.

    Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) fired back that "there's no running away from the fact that the Republican House passed a bill and Senator Frist offered one that criminalizes immigrants."

    House Democrats acknowledged they helped block Republican efforts on the floor last December to soften the Republican-crafted section declaring illegal immigrants to be felons, but they said ultimate responsibility for the bill rests with the Republicans, who voted overwhelmingly for its passage.

    "The Democrats were not going to do anything to make it easier for Republicans to pass an atrocious bill," said Jennifer Crider, a spokeswoman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

    Yesterday's maneuvering underscores how the immigration issue has mushroomed into a fierce political debate with potentially large stakes heading into the November congressional elections. The hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets Monday vividly demonstrated the power of the issue, which some strategists say threatens to undercut President Bush's long-standing hope of making Hispanic voters a GOP constituency.

    "There was political calculation that they could make this the wedge issue of 2006 and 2008, but it's not playing out that way," said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.). "This has galvanized and energized the Latino community like no other issue I have seen in two decades, and that's going to have electoral consequences."

    Republicans say they could accept that sentiment if they believed they had won political points from the GOP's restive base. But for all the negatives, they don't have many positives to show for their efforts.

    "From the standpoint of those who would applaud the House's stand, I'd say we have not gotten sufficient credit," said Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), a reliable supporter of House leaders. "I'm somewhat distressed that they have not gotten word of what we've done."

    The politics of the issue have shifted markedly since the House acted. Republican lawmakers are increasingly saying they will now consider some avenue to grant illegal immigrants access to lawful employment. And Democrats who voted for the House bill with a eye on their political futures or to preempt feared attacks from conservatives are rethinking their position.

    Rep. Ted Strickland (D-Ohio), a supporter of the bill, was greeted by protesters and shouts of "Migration is not a crime" in February when he opened his Ohio gubernatorial campaign office in Cleveland. Now, he regrets his vote, campaign spokesman Jess Goode said.

    The 36 Democrats who voted for passage included Rep. John T. Salazar (Colo.) -- whose brother, Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), has railed against the House measure -- and Rep. Harold E. Ford Jr. (Tenn.), who may find it difficult to tap into the mobilizing Latino vote in his run for the Senate this year.

    Although much has been made of the failed efforts in the Senate last week to forge a bipartisan measure to toughen border security while creating a system to allow many of the 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants here to achieve legal status or citizenship, the actions in the House late last year have received little attention until now.

    House GOP leaders had rushed lawmakers back to Washington for a rare December session to vote on the immigration measure, hoping to give their members an accomplishment to brag about over a long winter recess. But it was the deft maneuvering of Democrats that preserved the bill's most infamous provision, declaring illegal immigrants felons, and that provision has helped turn the bill into a political albatross for some Republicans, Democrats say.

    The bill, written by House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), was passed in a matter of hours, nine days before Christmas. Just seven amendments were allowed to come to a vote, none of them fundamentally altering the legislation.

    Sensenbrenner's committee bill included the felony provision, but when he took it to the House floor Dec. 16, he offered an amendment to downgrade the offense of being an undocumented worker from a felony to a misdemeanor.

    The Democratic leadership pushed its members to vote against the amendment, and 191 Democrats did. Only eight Democrats voted with Sensenbrenner.

    "It was an ugly bill in most respects, the felony stuff, the wall and no amendments," said Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who tried to add a guest-worker provision but was not allowed a vote. "The leadership saw this more as a statement than a policy, but I think in the end we would have been better off had we been more deliberative."

    With so little debate, media coverage was minimal, and what coverage there was got little notice in the holiday bustle, Republicans say.

    "We're victims of our own success," said Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.).

    Sensenbrenner's bill is getting attention now, not so much from Republican base voters but from Spanish-language radio shows and Latino activists who have made it the focus of marches that have drawn more than a million protesters. One sign Monday on the Mall read "Sense, not Sensenbrenner."

    In a letter to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops last week, Sensenbrenner charged that all but eight Democrats "decided to play political game by voting to make all illegal immigrants felons."

    But Democratic votes alone did not seal defeat. Sixty-five Republicans voted against it, too, including anti-immigrant firebrands such as Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.) and moderates such as Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) voted against the amendment and the bill just weeks before he was elected majority leader

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    The politics of the issue have shifted markedly since the House acted. Republican lawmakers are increasingly saying they will now consider some avenue to grant illegal immigrants access to lawful employment. And Democrats who voted for the House bill with a eye on their political futures or to preempt feared attacks from conservatives are rethinking their position.
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    this is one of the greatest article i have ever read online..this article is the greatest article whiich just explains to you how the republican party is self destructing...ive always told you guys that they are a lot of pressure being put on those house members that passed HR4437 and this article illustrates this and you have house mebers regretting ever voting for HR4437..

    you even have a lot of conservatives now considering a way to grant them lawfull permanent residency..

    we are winnign this war

    june 15th 2006 will be known as the day the manesty 2006 is enacted into law.

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    Rep. Ted Strickland (D-Ohio), a supporter of the bill, was greeted by protesters and shouts of "Migration is not a crime" in February when he opened his Ohio gubernatorial campaign office in Cleveland. Now, he regrets his vote, campaign spokesman Jess Goode said.
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    hahahahah..how can you vote for this bill my friend ?? how can you???? hahahahaha can you imagine the pressure that is being pressed guys?? those house members are being harrased every day every minute..they cant even sleep. hahahah YOU WILL SEE MEXICANS IN YOUR DREAMS HAHAHAHA

  5. #5
    House GOP leaders had rushed lawmakers back to Washington for a rare December session to vote on the immigration measure, hoping to give their members an accomplishment to brag about over a long winter recess. But it was the deft maneuvering of Democrats that preserved the bill's most infamous provision, declaring illegal immigrants felons, and that provision has helped turn the bill into a political albatross for some Republicans, Democrats say.

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    WOW THIS QUOTE ABOVE IS A GREAT QUOTE....THIS IS A MAJOR ALBATROSS FOR THE CONSERVATIVE BASE HAHAHAHAH

    I WANT TO SEE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DESTROY ON THIS ISSUE THEY WILL DEFINATLY LOSE THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS...THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HATES THE HOUSE MEMBERS WHICH IS G.O.P CONTROLL HOUSE.THE RELIGIOUS VOTING BLOCK WILL MAKE SURE SUCH EVIL HUMAN BEING ARE OUT OF OFFICE HAHAHAHAHAHA MAHONY IS MOBILIZING THE RELIGIOUS GROUP AGAINST THE G.O.P

    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATE ALIBA AND PADDY AND MARMADUCK BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE TRASH RACIST THAT SUPPORT FELONIZING 11 MILLION POOR IMMIGRANTS.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

  6. #6
    What about the statements by the house majority leader Boehner yesterday that he does not support amnesty. It is very clear the republicans do have a lot of anti immigrant sentiment and they have the backing of conservatives who are mostly anti immigrant. Theycan blame the democrats for blocking the bill etc but it was done to prevent amendents to bill already agreed upon by the senate. The republicans like Jon Kyl wanted to sneak some ruthless amendments into itemocrats did not allow it. The latino voters are charged up and their anti republican sentiment is building up and most of the latino voters will vote for democrats unless the republicans offer a more lenient version of what they have agreed upon last week. The republican party is in damage control mode after the statements by the house speaker and senate majoroty leader who are going back on what they wanted in their billsNo matter what the outcome this going to leave a sour taste in the minds of the latino and immigrant voters decades as their voitng increases the chances of the republicans remaining in power in future diminishes. The republican part needs to experience reversal in many of the key states and lose majority in the house and senate inorder to soften their anti immigrant stand.

  7. #7
    I don't care if anyone reads this article or not

    Making illegal status a felony has never been a priority for me in terms of controlling illegal immigration. In fact, I've always thought it was a bargaining chip--something not too terribly important to the House for it to give up in reconciliation with any Senate bill.

    Note Well, however: Giving up felony status is a far cry from supporting guest worker programs and legalization. In fact, it allows the marchers to proclaim victory for the ostensible reason for their marches, yet Congress can go ahead and simply do nothing now about legalization. It also means they can tell the Senate, "we've given up the felony provision, now what will you give up?"

    Latinos are not going to be a real force in the electorate for several Presidential elections yet. Even then, there's nothing to say that they'll vote as a bloc. They certainly don't do that now on immigration issues. Those who assimilate and prosper will vote their pocketbook and most likely Republican, a la Cubans. Those who don't will vote Democratic--if they're able to vote at all.

  8. #8
    From today's NY Times:

    Kennedy Tactics on Immigration Vex Democrats
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    Published: April 12, 2006
    WASHINGTON, April 11 "” To Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the complex issue of immigration policy is simple enough.



    Jason Reed/Reuters
    Senator Edward M. Kennedy, shown at an immigration rally on Monday, is pushing for a bipartisan compromise on immigration policy.

    "We are the land of opportunity," he said. "Our streets may not be paved with gold, but they are paved with the promise that men and women who live here "” even strangers and newcomers "” can rise as fast, as far as their skills will allow."

    While those words could have been part of his speech Monday to those rallying on the Mall in Washington, they were delivered more than 40 years ago on the Senate floor as Mr. Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, managed his first major piece of legislation "” an immigration bill.

    Decades later, Mr. Kennedy, the liberal leader and descendant of Irish immigrants, is back in the thick of another immigration fight, pushing strongly for a bipartisan compromise that would toughen border security while providing a route to legal status for millions of illegal residents. And some of the fight is with his own Democratic colleagues.

    Mr. Kennedy's drive to strike a deal with Republicans is making some in his party nervous. They worry that the senator, in his desire to bring about changes in immigration law, will cede too much to Republicans and that the end product will fall short on the guest worker and citizenship provisions favored by most Democrats. They believe Mr. Kennedy made similar miscalculations when he cut initial deals with Republicans on Medicare drug coverage and education policy.

    "Just about everyone in the caucus is worried that without safeguards that this is headed into an unfair, unbalanced bill," said one Democratic senator, who would talk about internal party criticism only on the condition of anonymity.

    Republicans acknowledge that Mr. Kennedy served as a valuable ally last week when he broke with the Democratic leadership in its efforts to blame Republican recalcitrance for the collapse of the immigration legislation. Mr. Kennedy, in a split with Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said he was sympathetic to the Republican demand to offer amendments "” a sticking point with Democrats.

    "He certainly helped, by our lights, to make it a more truthful understanding of what happened, and that leaves the door open for us when we come back," said Eric Ueland, chief of staff to Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader.

    The subject of immigration runs deep in Kennedy family lore. According to a biography by Adam Clymer that focused on Mr. Kennedy's legislative accomplishments, the senator used to regale his staff with how his maternal grandfather, John F. Fitzgerald, who was known as Honey Fitz, opposed a literacy requirement on new immigrants while serving in the House in 1897.

    As a senator, John F. Kennedy opposed quotas on immigrants from outside Western Europe, a cause Edward Kennedy and another brother, Robert, pursued as members of the Senate. They took on Southern lawmakers who objected to giving Africans the same opportunity to immigrate as those from Britain.

    "This is one of his core issues, one of the things he has been concerned about the longest," said Mr. Clymer, a former reporter for The New York Times, whose book recounted Mr. Kennedy's 1965 floor speech.

    As public outrage over increasing illegal immigration soared in recent years, Mr. Kennedy joined with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, to find a solution that went beyond border controls to making accommodations for some of the millions of working illegal immigrants.

    The two veteran lawmakers managed to bring other influential senators on board and presented a comprehensive plan that provided part of the framework for legislation approved by the Judiciary Committee. Though that plan met resistance from Senate Republicans who viewed it as amnesty for those who had entered the country illegally, the Senate announced a tentative agreement that embraced a version of the Kennedy-McCain approach. But it lasted only hours. Mr. Frist, confronted by angry members of his party, insisted on the opportunity to allow consideration of some amendments. Democrats balked.

    In a meeting Thursday evening in Mr. Reid's office, Mr. Kennedy argued for moving ahead with the bill, confident that the votes were there to beat back objectionable changes and that the debate could build momentum for the measure. Mr. Reid and his leadership team countered that the amendments were meant to derail the bill. They feared that without some assurances by Mr. Frist on negotiations with the House, the bill could be hijacked by Republicans. Mr. Kennedy lost.

    A top aide to Mr. Reid said Tuesday that he was still determined to get a bill and disputed assertions that he had made a political calculation to block it.

    "Senator Reid is doing what is right for both his caucus and real immigration reform," said Susan McCue, his chief of staff.

    Mr. Kennedy said Tuesday that he believed the setback was temporary. "I think the momentum in our caucus is strongly in favor of immigration; there is a difference on tactics," said Mr. Kennedy, noting that the situation is far different for Republicans, who are split over the idea of allowing illegal residents a chance to qualify for citizenship.

    As he took in Monday's immigration rally here, Mr. Kennedy said he heard the echoes of the civil rights movement and concluded that change was inevitable.

    "There is too much velocity to deny it," he said. "This is an extraordinary grass-roots movement, and I think it is really one that we will have to answer."

  9. #9
    Too bad that the "grassroots" Mr. Kennedy refers to are in Mexico and other foreign countries. That doesn't go down well with Americans.

  10. #10
    Latinos are not going to be a real force in the electorate for several Presidential elections yet. Even then, there's nothing to say that they'll vote as a bloc. They certainly don't do that now on immigration issues. Those who assimilate and prosper will vote their pocketbook and most likely Republican, a la Cubans. Those who don't will vote Democratic--if they're able to vote at all.
    Your probably right there ALiBA. The short term impact may not be as strong but it could make a difference in close races.. However in the future may be a couple of elections down the road the impact could and in my opinion will be significant. It is difficult to erase bad memories easily and you have understand that the demographics in this country are changing rapidly and conservatives will find themselves in the minority in the and most likely alienated in future if they continue to embrace their right wing idealogy. people who are undocumented will eventually some day become Us citizens. Its a melting pot on the east and west coast and there will be drastic changes in the demographic in the future.. The best thing in my opinion would be to embrace those changes with open arms rather than try to resist change. Nothing is static, chnage is inevitable and people who fear this nation will lose its cultural identity are mistaken.

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