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Thread: Why Romney's stance on immigration could cost him the White House Read more: http://

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    Mitt Romney’s rigid position on illegal immigration and embrace of Kris Kobach, former law professor and architect of a law to rid Arizona of illegal aliens, may well cost him the fall election even if helps him win the Republican nomination.

    The United States has an unwritten but plain immigration policy.

    The U.S. Border Patrol imposes significant risks on people trying to enter the country illegally but once inside, illegal immigrants usually can find work and remain here. They manage to obtain false documents or work off the books, and are significant shares of the workforce in agriculture, construction and many service activities.

    States issue drivers licenses—which function as the primary form of identification in the United States—often with few or ineffective efforts to determine immigration status.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/17/why-romneys-stance-on-immigration-could-cost-him-white-house/


    Some Visa Categories Are More Vulnerable than Others
    One of the ongoing problems with America’s immigration policy is that it is not a single, unified policy, but rather a conglomeration of various immigrant, nonimmigrant, and refugee policies, all operating quite separately. A related problem is that available statistics on these programs sometimes make it awkward to analyze the programs in question.

    There are literally scores of nonimmigrant (temporary) visa categories and millions of applicants with large numbers of government officials deciding, on a case-by-case basis, who should be admitted and who should be refused. How does this part of the process work, and what does the government tell us about it?

    The basic answers are, “unevenly” and “not much,” but the Center for Immigration Studies has devised an easy-to-understand index, or box score, which shows:

    issuing or denying tourist visas in non-visa-waiver countries, is, in this context, the major headache to the government;

    visas for students, short-term unskilled workers (H-2A and H-2B), and religious workers are much more troublesome to State Department officials than most other categories;

    and the least difficult grouping of them all, by a country mile, are visiting officials of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
    http://www.ilw.com/articles/2012,0113-north.shtm
    -BoardWizard

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    Mitt Romney’s rigid position on illegal immigration and embrace of Kris Kobach, former law professor and architect of a law to rid Arizona of illegal aliens, may well cost him the fall election even if helps him win the Republican nomination.

    The United States has an unwritten but plain immigration policy.

    The U.S. Border Patrol imposes significant risks on people trying to enter the country illegally but once inside, illegal immigrants usually can find work and remain here. They manage to obtain false documents or work off the books, and are significant shares of the workforce in agriculture, construction and many service activities.

    States issue drivers licenses—which function as the primary form of identification in the United States—often with few or ineffective efforts to determine immigration status.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/17/why-romneys-stance-on-immigration-could-cost-him-white-house/


    Some Visa Categories Are More Vulnerable than Others
    One of the ongoing problems with America’s immigration policy is that it is not a single, unified policy, but rather a conglomeration of various immigrant, nonimmigrant, and refugee policies, all operating quite separately. A related problem is that available statistics on these programs sometimes make it awkward to analyze the programs in question.

    There are literally scores of nonimmigrant (temporary) visa categories and millions of applicants with large numbers of government officials deciding, on a case-by-case basis, who should be admitted and who should be refused. How does this part of the process work, and what does the government tell us about it?

    The basic answers are, “unevenly” and “not much,” but the Center for Immigration Studies has devised an easy-to-understand index, or box score, which shows:

    issuing or denying tourist visas in non-visa-waiver countries, is, in this context, the major headache to the government;

    visas for students, short-term unskilled workers (H-2A and H-2B), and religious workers are much more troublesome to State Department officials than most other categories;

    and the least difficult grouping of them all, by a country mile, are visiting officials of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
    http://www.ilw.com/articles/2012,0113-north.shtm
    -BoardWizard

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">States issue drivers licenses—which function as the primary form of identification in the United States—often with few or ineffective efforts to determine immigration status. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    There are very few states (if any) left that issue licenses without checking proof of residence and immigration status.

  4. #4
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ProudUSC:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">States issue drivers licenses—which function as the primary form of identification in the United States—often with few or ineffective efforts to determine immigration status. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    There are very few states (if any) left that issue licenses without checking proof of residence and immigration status. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Can't get a state ID, let alone a drivers license, here in NV without showing proof of status - and we're home to Old Useless ... I mean, Senator Reid.
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    The whole of life is but a moment of time. It is our duty, therefore to use it, not to misuse it - Plutarch

  5. #5
    Last year, there were only 3 states remaining that didn't check immigration status for driver's licenses. Not sure if this is still the case for 2012. My searches came up empty, lol.

  6. #6
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can't get a state ID, let alone a drivers license, here in NV without showing proof of status - and we're home to Old Useless ... I mean, Senator Reid. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Would you have preferred Sharron-run-from-my-own-press-conference-Angle instead?
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

  7. #7
    Didn't say I would, Brit. Never once said I supported the woman, even during the election. Though maybe she'd have actually fought for her state instead of informing us right after the election that we'd be getting no help from her, which is exactly what Reid did.
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    The whole of life is but a moment of time. It is our duty, therefore to use it, not to misuse it - Plutarch

  8. #8
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ProudUSC:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">States issue drivers licenses—which function as the primary form of identification in the United States—often with few or ineffective efforts to determine immigration status. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    There are very few states (if any) left that issue licenses without checking proof of residence and immigration status. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Getting a state ID is more problematic because of the processing time to receive one before one votes than the actual ID itself. In some states for instance, same day voting is allowed whereas most states provide some minimum time frame, usually 30 days to register before voting. And on top of that, it can take several weeks to several months toverify your citizenship status or immigration status once you apply for the state issued ID for the first time.

    This is why requiring a DL or some other form of document to vote is now considered the 21st century poll tax because of the fees involved to recieve a DL or state issued ID. The only way to eliminate any disparity is to fully subsidize a DL to anyone who applies. And that is something that will increase state beaucracy several times. A big no no for some conservatives on the Presidential trail.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is why requiring a DL or some other form of document to vote is now considered the 21st century poll tax because of the fees involved to recieve a DL or state issued ID. The only way to eliminate any disparity is to fully subsidize a DL to anyone who applies. And that is something that will increase state beaucracy several times. A big no no for some conservatives on the Presidential trail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If proof of citizenship was properly obtained during voter registration, it would seem voters should only need to show their registration card to vote (I know, in a perfect world, lol). I've never been asked to show mine at the polls - only my driver's license.

  10. #10
    How would it increase bureaucracy by subsidizing driver licenses or ID cards? It's simple. Don't charge anyone for a drivers license. That would reduce the work load. They wouldn't have to hire cashiers. Besides, if you can't afford 20 bucks for a driver license, you've got bigger problems. Maybe it's time to go back to school or think of getting a job that pays more than picking up soda cans off the street.
    This message brought to you by the vast right wing conspiracy.

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