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Thread: Presidential candidates and their stand on immigration

  1. #11
    Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beverly:
    Great thread Mrs. B! AMERICANS THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING AMERICA and OUR LAWS AND CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND!

    As for the losers running for President and where they stand:

    ...

    Edwards: Pro Middleclass America (but I have never heard him verbalize his stance with regards to immigration) not as liberal as the other two traitors mentioned above;

    ...
    John Edwards' position on immigration may not be that liberal, but rather rational. All in all he's a decent politician, but the prospect of him getting nominated is a long shot, so... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks for the link! Looks like he's Pro Amnesty. Those who want to straddle the fence use the "comprehensive/path to citizen/pay a fine" BS so that those who are not familiar with the language in the bills proposing this form of amnesty think that illegals will actually be penalized for breaking and entering.
    Wolves Travel In Packs
    ____________________

  2. #12
    I haven't got the right to vote.. but if I had, I dont think I would vote for Obama (due to his religious and family background).

    I dont wish to insult anyone but the only difference I see between Obama and Osama is the B and the S, and if you put those together what do you get.

  3. #13
    Originally posted by Mrs. B.:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beverly:
    Great thread Mrs. B! AMERICANS THANK YOU FOR RESPECTING AMERICA and OUR LAWS AND CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND!

    As for the losers running for President and where they stand:

    Shrillary and Obama = AMNESTY and PANDERING for OBL's and Illegal alien votes (and yes Villagaroisa has registered illegal aliens which is how he became Mayor of LA and why he is campaigning for Shrillary make no mistake about that one);

    Edwards: Pro Middleclass America (but I have never heard him verbalize his stance with regards to immigration) not as liberal as the other two traitors mentioned above;

    Kucinich: PRO AMNESTY (but I like his stance on other issues especially government)

    McCain: PRO AMNESTY, older than dirt and may even be a mummy - lol

    Huckabee = PRO AMNESTY (flip flopping for votes), mentally the equivalent of Bush on mild steroids; unfortunately it looks like the evangelicals have NOT learned their lesson;

    Romney: Flip flopper but would vote for him only because he will reject any form of amnesty;

    Thompson: Strikes me as lazy but I like his stances on the economy and immigration

    Ron Paul: I am a registered Independent and if a conservative Independent does not step in at the last minute, and Paul is nominated (which probably won't happen) I'd vote for him, I like his platform of getting back to basics and following the letter of the US Constitution as well as a moratorium on immigration until America reasses its needs and get serious about border security which will equal attrition through enforcement, no more welfare and other freebies and he is also in favor of revision of the 14th amendment and rescinding the anchor baby farce that is killing our once great nation.
    Hi Beverly,

    Thank you for wishing us the best. My husband is a good man, with a very strong work ethic and treats me well so I guess I will be here till the end.

    Thanks too for sharing your thoughts (calling her Shrillary is funny! ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You two will obviously be an asset to America!

    I actually voted for Bill Clinton (twice)and thought he was a very good president. Since he is responsible for the signing of and the economic effects of the NAFTA disaster, I have a totally opposite take on him. As for Shrillary, I don't know if it was because she's gotten older or if its because she didn't speak as much publicly during the Clinton administration but the sound of her shrill, harpy voice makes my ears bleed. . .

    Bill has become a pathetic shell of the President I used to admire. He's as shrill and petty as Hilary. I find both of them and the campaign they are running very petty and disgusting.

    The sight of them standing on stage the other day with Madeline Albright and a slew of other near death looking senior citizens reminded me of a population of grim reapers.
    Take care!
    Wolves Travel In Packs
    ____________________

  4. #14
    Bill has become a pathetic shell of the President I used to admire. He's as shrill and petty as Hilary. I find both of them and the campaign they are running very petty and disgusting


    I thought this thread was as good of place as any for this embarrasing video of Billary.

    Pathetic

    BILL HAS A DREAM
    <span class="ev_code_BLUE">http://www.breitbart.tv/html/33364.html</span>


    It depends on the meaning of what sleep is

  5. #15
    who are you to judge someone,s religion and family background.to sigle out obama out of bunch just because of his backgrund tells a lot about you.i think u.k or aussie are the place for you to live.
    Originally posted by Jake01:
    I haven't got the right to vote.. but if I had, I dont think I would vote for Obama (due to his religious and family background).

    I dont wish to insult anyone but the only difference I see between Obama and Osama is the B and the S, and if you put those together what do you get.

  6. #16
    Ron Paul: I am a registered Independent and if a conservative Independent does not step in at the last minute, and Paul is nominated (which probably won't happen) I'd vote for him, I like his platform of getting back to basics and following the letter of the US Constitution as well as a moratorium on immigration until America reasses its needs and get serious about border security which will equal attrition through enforcement, no more welfare and other freebies and he is also in favor of revision of the 14th amendment and rescinding the anchor baby farce that is killing our once great nation.
    With Thompson now withdrawing, it will not be long for Ron Paul to withdraw as well. Florida could be interesting with McCain having a very decdnt shot of winning. I think he is either in a close second or leading in the Florida polls.

    As for Obama, he will more than likely be the Democratic nominee. If Obama is nominated, then it would take away the independent voters for either McCain or Romney. If Clinton win the Democratic nomination, it may be the anyone but Clinton factor on both sides of the party isle, just like it was in 2000 and 2004 when Bush ran for President.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

  7. #17
    [quote], I would appreciate it to know the members' opinions on this.

    Hi Mrs Blu

    Republican -Huckabee
    Democrats - Clinton

    my choices

    and I dunno where Romney got The " Amnesty Proposal" never heard such thing. From what I heard it was an Immigration Reform sponsor by Kennedy and McCain. Z visa.

    McCain makes more sense giving them a form of a visa to work legally thou.

    Romney just wanna hire them in his Mansion and pretend He does'nt know they're undocumented alien. he he he I think he needs to see the flying saucer first lol!

  8. #18
    Originally posted by 4now:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bill has become a pathetic shell of the President I used to admire. He's as shrill and petty as Hilary. I find both of them and the campaign they are running very petty and disgusting
    I thought this thread was as good of place as any for this embarrasing video of Billary.

    Pathetic

    BILL HAS A DREAM
    <span class="ev_code_BLUE">http://www.breitbart.tv/html/33364.html</span>


    It depends on the meaning of what sleep is </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's just sad . . . all that campaigning is wearing his old treasonous butt out. Thank's for the link 4 NOW!
    Wolves Travel In Packs
    ____________________

  9. #19
    Originally posted by Jake01:
    I haven't got the right to vote.. but if I had, I dont think I would vote for Obama (due to his religious and family background).

    I dont wish to insult anyone but the only difference I see between Obama and Osama is the B and the S, and if you put those together what do you get.
    While I am not an Obama supporter, he has NEVER BEEN A MUSLIM, is a Christian and has been the member of THE SAME BAPTIST Church in Chicago for more than 20 years . I have visited his church on several occasions. All of the internet rumors that he is muslim, etc. are deliberate smear tactics to sabatoge his bid for the presidency. His father and step father were both muslims as is his name but that is where his affilation with the muslim faith begins and ends. Read his book "The Audacity of Hope" he tells you exactly who he is.

    As pitiful as it all is it's just politics as usual in America. In the future you would be wise to arm yourself with knowledge from various sources, research them all before assuming that because something is on the internet it must be the truth.
    Wolves Travel In Packs
    ____________________

  10. #20
    http://www.independent.com/news/2008/jan/24/know-your-2...idential-candidates/

    Know Your 2008 Presidential Candidates
    Choose One Carefully

    Thursday, January 24, 2008
    By Adrian CastaƱeda

    In order to help undecided voters familiarize themselves with the potential presidents in time for the February 5 primary, The Indy is offering the following rundown of the major candidates' positions on four subjects Indy staff deemed the most socially relevant: healthcare, the Iraq War, the environment, and immigration. Information below was drawn from candidates' Web sites and public statements they have made on the given subjects. (Note: Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Duncan Hunter, and Fred Thompson have dropped out of the race and therefore do not appear here. For a comprehensive list of all presidential candidates, visit smartvoter.org.)

    Republicans

    Rudolph Giuliani

    Healthcare: Would reduce care costs by giving tax benefits to those without employer-provided health insurance; would also make it easier and faster for the FDA to approve new drugs.

    Iraq War: Believes removing troops from Iraq would indicate weakness because Iraq is only part of a larger war on terror.

    Environment: Believes America must explore all alternative energy sources ranging from clean-burning coal to nuclear power by investing into energy research and other technologies such as hybrid vehicles.

    Immigration: Would complete the border fence and improve its design with newer technology; would develop a system where all foreigners in the U.S. are issued an ID card and are tracked by a database and when entering or leaving the country.


    Mike Huckabee

    Healthcare: Is against universal healthcare because it would mean too much government control; would instead work with the private sector to lower prices on insurance and focus on a consumer-based health system as opposed to the current employer-based insurance programs.

    Iraq War: Supports the continuation of the Iraq war until total success is achieved; views it as an important battle of the larger war on terror; would push for a summit of regional leaders to commit them to supporting the stabilization of Iraq.

    Environment: Would promote and encourage energy independence strategies such as research into alternative energy and vehicles.

    Immigration: Supports legislation that will add 23,000 more agents and 700 miles of fence while upgrading technologies such as cameras and radar along the border; opposes legislation granting amnesty to illegal immigrants and supports criminal prosecution of anyone who hires illegal immigrants; border security plan would detain, process, and deport anyone caught crossing the border illegally.

    Alan Keyes

    Healthcare: Dislikes government-controlled healthcare systems; opposes mandated health insurance and universal coverage; suggested an insurance reward for people who avoid alcohol, tobacco, obesity.

    Iraq War: Said the invasion of Iraq "would not have been his choice,"¯ but also would not have asked the United Nations' permission to do so; believes political rebuilding of Iraq should have been left to the UN, however.

    Environment: Supports marketable pollution credits; opposes regulations; advocates research into alternative fuels; opposes the Kyoto Protocol.

    Immigration: Believes open borders undermine sovereignty; says existing anti-immigration laws should be enforced; opposes guest worker programs; would rescind President Bush's order allowing Mexican trucks on U.S. roads.


    John McCain

    Healthcare: Favors total reform of the healthcare industry with the ultimate goal of providing affordable healthcare to all citizens, especially retirees and veterans; aims to lower prices and improve quality by promoting competition between health insurance providers.

    Iraq War: Believes more troops are necessary to clear out the insurgency, at which point U.S. advisers will train and equip Iraqi security forces and sectarian violence will be stopped; opposes pulling out of Iraq because it would encourage Iran and other perceived enemies of the U.S.

    Environment: Supports alternative energy research and conservation of National Parks; hopes to improve quality of the environment by making economic decisions that will limit dependence on foreign oil and limit pollution in America.

    Immigration: Plans to reinforce security not just at the border but at all other ports of entry; would work with Latin American allies to build strong economies in their countries.

    Ron Paul

    Healthcare: Opposes the prominence of corporate interests such as pharmaceutical companies in the healthcare system; plans to make all medical expenses tax-deductible and eliminate federal regulations that limit the coverage small businesses can provide for their employees.

    Iraq War: Declares that the war in Iraq is unconstitutional; supports plans to bring troops home immediately not just from Iraq but from around the world to focus on securing America instead of spreading our forces thinly in more than 130 countries.

    Environment: Opposes subsidizing logging of National Forests and other schemes that allow companies to pay to pollute; has cosponsored bills to develop sustainable alternative energy such as solar energy.

    Immigration: Opposes amnesty and supports strict enforcement of visa regulations; would end birthright citizenship and end welfare for illegal immigrants.

    Mitt Romney

    Healthcare: Would encourage states to deregulate healthcare markets in order to help reduce insurance costs; would spend money currently used to give "free care"¯ to the uninsured to help the poor buy insurance.

    Iraq War: Opposes quick withdrawal from Iraq and would instead keep troops there as long as there is a "reasonable probability"¯ of success; views Iraq as key to stability in the region and America's security.

    Environment: Plans to end energy dependence by investing in nuclear power technology and research into other alternatives.

    Immigration: Would end illegal immigration by strengthening the current border and by rejecting amnesty; would punish those who hire undocumented workers and implement a stronger employer verification system.

    Democrats

    Hillary R. Clinton

    Healthcare: Supports universal healthcare; would lower prices for health insurance and offer citizens the same choice of health plan options that members of Congress receive; vows to eliminate discrimination by insurance companies.

    Iraq War: Would immediately start bringing troops home within 60 days, bring aid to government and humanitarian agencies in Iraq, and support the appointment of a UN representative to broker peace between Iraq's sectarian groups.

    Environment: Would establish new energy efficiency standards for automobiles as well as funding in environmental protection and energy research through a $50 billion Strategic Energy Fund; would require that all federal buildings designed after 2009 be zero-emission buildings.

    Immigration: Advocates an employer verification system that is universal, accurate, timely, and does not lead to discrimination and abuse by employers; supports strengthening borders through cooperation with our neighbors; Would make family reunification the guiding principle of our immigration system.


    John Edwards

    Healthcare: Believes Americans will have better access to health insurance by requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance employees' plans.

    Iraq War: Supports immediate withdrawal of 40,000 troops from Iraq and the complete withdrawal of all combat troops within nine to 10 months, leaving a small force to guard embassy and humanitarian workers.

    Environment: Would encourage world leaders to sign a new climate treaty dedicated to reducing greenhouse gases; would invest in new energy technologies and repeal subsidies for oil companies.

    Immigration: Would secure borders and stop illegal trafficking while giving the more than 12 million undocumented people in the U.S. a chance to earn their citizenship.

    Maurice "Mike"¯ Gravel

    Healthcare: Envisions a universal healthcare system that provides equal medical services to all citizens and is paid for by a retail sales tax. Citizens would not pay for health benefits.

    Iraq War: Wants withdrawal of all troops from Iraq within 120 days, followed by a cooperative effort by neighboring countries to help Iraq find diplomatic solutions; would call for a U.S. corporate withdrawal from Iraq and hand over reconstruction contracts to Iraqi businesses to empower Iraqi nationals to rebuild their own country.

    Environment: Supports taxing carbon emissions; would work with developing nations to fight deforestation and other environmental woes.

    Immigration: Would secure borders and institute a guest worker program; would seek to introduce fair-trade policies that will benefit the U.S. and other countries to attack the poverty at the source of illegal immigration.

    Dennis Kucinich

    Healthcare: Proposes a universal, single-payer, not-for-profit healthcare system that would establish Medicare for all Americans.

    Iraq War: Advocates the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq; pushes for cutting money from the defense budget.

    Environment: Would immediately sign the Kyoto Treaty and start the U.S. toward adopting regulations and solving environmental problems.

    Immigration: Sponsored a bill that allows undocumented immigrants who have been in U.S. for more than five years to legalize their status; would work with Mexico to establish an agreement on the flow of immigrants; opposes punishment of employers who hire undocumented workers.

    Barack Obama

    Healthcare: Proposes plan that would create competition within pharmaceutical and insurance industries in order to guarantee all Americans will be eligible for affordable healthcare regardless of age, illness, or other conditions and would also legally require that children have health coverage.

    Iraq War: Opposed war from the beginning; would bring all troops home within one year at a rate of two combat brigades a month while providing humanitarian relief to Iraq; would hold a United Nations-supported council of Iraqi diplomats to draft a new constitution aimed at healing political and religious separation.

    Environment: Supports investing in clean energy alternatives and putting harsher environmental restrictions on coal and oil companies; would reduce carbon emissions by 80 percent by 2050; wants to reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent by increasing fuel economy standards.

    Immigration: Advocates reinforcing existing border security with more personnel and better technology; wants renovation of the nation's immigration system in order to facilitate legal immigrants' getting citizenship; supports imposing strict fines on employers who hire undocumented workers.

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