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Thread: proof that americans are against anti-immigration sentiment

  1. #1
    okay guys, this article shows that americans doesnt support anti immigration sentiment cause if they did, they would have been more people protesting against illegals during those nationwide anti immigrants rallies
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    ASSOCIATED PRESS: Few Drawn to Illegal Immigration Protests
    By Michael R. Blood
    Saturday, January 7, 2006
    Illegal immigration protests organized across the country Saturday drew small numbers, and some were
    outnumbered and out-shouted by those who support immigrant rights.
    The so-called "Stop the Invasion" protests were organized in 19 states, demanding the government
    increase border security and penalize employers who hire illegal workers.
    "We are keeping the debate on illegal immigration in the forefront of the American consciousness," said
    Joseph Turner of Save Our State, who was among about two dozen protesters who waved American flags
    outside a home-supply store in a Los Angeles suburb.
    But Turner's group in Glendale was surrounded by more than 100 drum-beating supporters who chanted,
    "Racists go home." The two groups traded shouts and obscene gestures for more than an hour. One man
    was arrested for assault, police said.
    In Farmingville, N.Y., where immigration-related violence erupted several times in recent years, only about
    a dozen protesters showed up and argued against the growing number of day laborers on eastern Long
    Island.
    Paul Streitz, who organized the demonstrations, said members believe illegal immigrants are taking jobs
    from citizens while driving down property values.
    "This is not a racist thing," said Daniel Anastasia, 46, a construction worker from Westchester, N.Y. "We
    pay taxes, they don't. I get paid what the union says. The contractor pays them cash. It's not fair to me."
    In Framingham, Mass., near Boston, a small group protesting illegal immigration was met by a much larger
    group of counter-demonstrators, some of whom surrounded them and temporarily disrupted the protest.
    "What they are doing is just harassing people who are out here to go to work every day, and they're doing
    it in a hateful manner, which is against everything this country stands for," said Manuel Olivera, pastor of
    the nearby New Life Presbyterian Community Church.
    In Danbury, Conn., about 50 people calling themselves the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control
    spent about two hours chanting and holding signs that read "Arrest Illegal Employers." Several dozen
    people held a counterprotest across the street.
    In Las Vegas, John Holiday, 43, and his son, Conner, 9, held signs near a convenience store where
    undocumented workers are picked up by employers. The boy, who held a sign that read "Our lawmakers
    encourage lawbreaking," said illegal immigration has divided the country.
    "Do you think the problem will be over when I grow up?" Conner asked.
    Associated Press writer Ken Ritter in Las Vegas contributed to this report.

  2. #2
    okay guys, this article shows that americans doesnt support anti immigration sentiment cause if they did, they would have been more people protesting against illegals during those nationwide anti immigrants rallies
    ---------------------------------------------

    ASSOCIATED PRESS: Few Drawn to Illegal Immigration Protests
    By Michael R. Blood
    Saturday, January 7, 2006
    Illegal immigration protests organized across the country Saturday drew small numbers, and some were
    outnumbered and out-shouted by those who support immigrant rights.
    The so-called "Stop the Invasion" protests were organized in 19 states, demanding the government
    increase border security and penalize employers who hire illegal workers.
    "We are keeping the debate on illegal immigration in the forefront of the American consciousness," said
    Joseph Turner of Save Our State, who was among about two dozen protesters who waved American flags
    outside a home-supply store in a Los Angeles suburb.
    But Turner's group in Glendale was surrounded by more than 100 drum-beating supporters who chanted,
    "Racists go home." The two groups traded shouts and obscene gestures for more than an hour. One man
    was arrested for assault, police said.
    In Farmingville, N.Y., where immigration-related violence erupted several times in recent years, only about
    a dozen protesters showed up and argued against the growing number of day laborers on eastern Long
    Island.
    Paul Streitz, who organized the demonstrations, said members believe illegal immigrants are taking jobs
    from citizens while driving down property values.
    "This is not a racist thing," said Daniel Anastasia, 46, a construction worker from Westchester, N.Y. "We
    pay taxes, they don't. I get paid what the union says. The contractor pays them cash. It's not fair to me."
    In Framingham, Mass., near Boston, a small group protesting illegal immigration was met by a much larger
    group of counter-demonstrators, some of whom surrounded them and temporarily disrupted the protest.
    "What they are doing is just harassing people who are out here to go to work every day, and they're doing
    it in a hateful manner, which is against everything this country stands for," said Manuel Olivera, pastor of
    the nearby New Life Presbyterian Community Church.
    In Danbury, Conn., about 50 people calling themselves the Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control
    spent about two hours chanting and holding signs that read "Arrest Illegal Employers." Several dozen
    people held a counterprotest across the street.
    In Las Vegas, John Holiday, 43, and his son, Conner, 9, held signs near a convenience store where
    undocumented workers are picked up by employers. The boy, who held a sign that read "Our lawmakers
    encourage lawbreaking," said illegal immigration has divided the country.
    "Do you think the problem will be over when I grow up?" Conner asked.
    Associated Press writer Ken Ritter in Las Vegas contributed to this report.

  3. #3
    this articles tells iT all..this is why i laugh when i hear a racist biggot like sundevilusa or someone12 explain to us how the majority of theamerican people are totally against immigrants...the truth is the americans people do not care about immigrants because they dont see them as a threat to their high paying jobs because they do unattractive, low paying jobs.

    Only racist biggots have the time to attend racist anti immigrant rally.

  4. #4
    notice how the racist biggots got out-numbered everywhere?

    this is laughable, they can not even field more then 100 americans to support their racist views ANYWHERE IN AMERICA!.


    i was right all along, americans see this anti-immigrantion ideology as pure racism and anyone that supports it is a racist biggot..Americans dont want to be seen supporting racism, that's why they did not attend those racist rallies

    THIS IS A BIG STATEMENT TO OUR LAWMAKERS

    AMERICANS WANT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORMS

  5. #5
    Go check out the articles on how the Massachusetts legislature last week voted down by a large majority an in-state tuition bill for illegal aliens that had been expected to pass--until the legislators started getting a lot of mail from constituents opposing benefits to illegal aliens. Note also that Massachusetts is the home state of Teddy Kennedy, co-author of one of the amnesty bills in the Senate. Kennedy has the family fortune and name, so can disregard public sentiment. Not all Congresspeople are so lucky. One doesn't have to hold signs and stand around in the cold getting called names to be effective.

  6. #6
    1. Just because so called "albatross23" is nuts doesn't mean that all he writes/copy-pastes here is untrue.
    AP article reflects what in fact has taken place recently.
    As far as motivations behind the most extreme anti-immigrant movements, read about those , in detail, here:

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intel...cle.jsp?aid=93



    2. I support cutting all welfare support, and we had this discussion before , Aliba.
    Remember the Shaun's article about welfare itself being a problem rather than scapegoated immigrants?

    3. As far as tuition benefits for "illegals", this really is undefensible position: you can't advocate any kind of State/Federal benefits for people who are not supposed to be here in the first place.
    Instead,
    a)I would support cutting all the existing welfare programs to bare minimum, make it totally impossible for immigrants (not just illegals) to apply and obtain it.
    b) I would support "DREAM ACT", help the innocent kids get their status adjusted and then let them apply for in-State tuition(NOT WELFARE!) like everyone else.


    4. As far as "stream" of protests go , it's NOT that the MAJORITY of American people share those feelings, but simply put anti-immigrants are much better organized, financed and guided than immigrant rights advocates,
    and most of the people who are in the middle don't care much one way or the other.

    Most recent "National Uprising" (read OP article) has has clearly and convincingly demonstrated how truly LITTLE Public support the anti-immigrants have in this country, yet their voices are heard louder than anyone else's - once more confirming what I said above: they are perfectly orginized and work in unison.
    Just check out this website:

    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...=team_involved


    5. Forget about Kennedy. Stop Demagoguery. Instead focus on issues and suggest feasible, FAIR (not www.fairus.org) ways to solve the problem.

    6. Have a Nice Day !

  7. #7
    All the articles show is that Americans generally don't care about immigration at all, unless and until it affects them. You also don't see activities such as the work stoppages pro-illegal-alien activists had last year drawing large numbers of Americans. And whatever happened to the "Freedom Ride" for rights for illegal aliens?! Remember, as a nation we're not known for liking physical activity such as marches (the constant cry of those who want illegal alien stoop labor), hence the high rate of obesity.

    Funny how you claim "anti-immigrationists" are better organized, when, as I've pointed out before, it's the pro-illegal alien lobby that actually has the big money and the big guns, including the Catholic church, AILA, the financial services industry, Agribusiness, and major corporations, such as Anheuser-Busch, as well as the Ford Foundation. A-B and the Ford Foundation both fund Maldef. And of course, the Mexican government.

    Of course, you're totally ignoring the polls by major organizations such as Gallup, which consistently show that Americans do not want higher levels of immigration and do not want amnesty. Those say far more than any turnout for demonstrations. (I don't go to demonstrations when they're here--I haven't the time. Does that mean I don't oppose illegal immigration?)

  8. #8
    I wonder just how many AMERICANS this little effort will draw? Are we going to be inundated by Americans demanding that illegal aliens be given amnesty? or even a guest worker program?

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006...1606192913.txt

  9. #9
    I wonder just how many AMERICANS this little effort will draw? Are we going to be inundated by Americans demanding that illegal aliens be given amnesty? or even a guest worker program?
    Aliba, no matter how many AMERICANS the above mentioned rally draw, it doesn't defeat the argument that MAJORITY of Americans did NOT supoort the anti-immigrant rally mentioned in OP.

    Polls are consistent with what we see :

    1. Few Americans are sharing extreme-anti-immigrant views/sentiments.

    2. Most Americans don't care about immigration unless asked about it directly.

    3. When asked, MOST Americans Support sealing/securing borders and enforcing immigration laws in the interior, but they do not support the draconian measures like making felons out of 12 million people , with zero regard to individual circumstances.

    4. When asked about possibility of registering/regularising the status of illegal aliens already present in US, more than 50% of Americans say they would agree with it.
    ______________________________

    P.S. That's what POLLS say.

  10. #10
    There's a difference between "not supporting" and "not showing up". As I pointed out, I don't attend rallies, either, but that doesn't mean I don't support the cause.

    Americans may not want mass deportations, but they do want immigration laws enforced and people deported. Your false choice again.

    "Legalization" includes a range of possibilities, including leaving the country in order to apply for a guest worker program (Cornyn-Kyl bill), so claiming Americans support "legalization" really depends on the definition of "legalization". It does not necessarily mean allowing people here illegally to remain, work, and adjust status. Even I wouldn't object to a bill that required illegal aliens to leave the country to apply. That's "legalization".

    Re, your point number 4: that depends on whose poll (and their bias). The Republican party has a nice little poll that Tamar Jacoby selectively uses. Of course, the main questions in their poll indicate that legalization was one of the key items people (Republican voters) didn't like in the proposed program, but that isn't what she hypes. Instead, she picks out one of the later questions showing Republicans strongly want legalization--something which directly contradicts the earlier questions, and indicates that the poll doesn't have internal validity. That is, it doesn't measure what it purports to. Probably due to that pesky little problem of defining "legalization" again. Pro-immigrationists probably think of legalization as "amnesty", but it again could entail a requirement to leave the country. It all depends on what the respondent's definition of it is.

    I referred to Gallup precisely because these are not done for a particular interest group. The Gallup poll analysis from July 26, 2005, finds, "Americans say the United States should not make it easier for illegal immigrants to become U.S. citizens. Twenty-eight percent say the government should make it easier for illegal immigrants to become citizens, while 70% say it should not. These results have shown only modest fluctuations in the three times Gallup has asked this question."

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