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Thread: Hope, Reform, Bush, Law & Adios

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    Yes, it was a great coup for immigration lawyers, or so they think. Oh just think of the new regulations that can be passed, regulations that will result in NEW forms and NEW fees!!

    Just think of the new bureacracy that can be created. Think of all the billable hours that will come with these "complex" new rules.

    Think of all the people who we convinced that it was ok to disobey the law that we NOW can convince have to obey the law AND pay us money!! WE CREATED OUR OWN CLIENTS!! yippie

    Excuse me while I vomit

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    The fact is that immigration law is not criminal law and should be simplified to minimize the need for attorneys and attorney fees.
    But if you reed one of the articles mentioned here, there's a huge problem people are not willing to recognize, racism. Back in the 80's and 90's the term "drug dealer" was synonymous with "African American", not it's the hispanics and tomorrow it could be the Chinese or the Native American. But then lets argue that drug dealers are all "illegal aliens" and nothing more, that all illegal aliens are drug dealers. To sell drugs you need clients, so if all illegals are drug dealers, the clients are citizens and legal folks. And to say that just because somebody is offering you drugs then you have to buy them is a bold lie. You have to, at the very least, be willing to break the law, and everybody knows that drugs are illegal, it's a widespread fact.
    No clients, no dealers, so both parties are equally guilty, selling drugs AND buying drugs are both felonies. These racial profiling conduct is not only dangerous and misleading but also useless. Racism is now creating a smoke curtain and preventing real legislation that will solve the problem. Most town that have adopted such measures end up facing harsh economic realities, and that's because nobody is willing to acknowledge that some of these criminal, "subhuman", drug-dealing individuals are actually regular people who actually contribute to the economic growth.

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    Economic growth? Maybe, but one could also argue that illegal labor contributes to a lack of economic prosperity as well.

    I think it is a lie that businesses will fail if they have to pay people a minimum wage or better yet a wage as determined by the market.

    If a business can not find enough labor to perform a job at the wage they are offering the market forces them to pay a higher wage for labor. If business is allowed to circumvent the law and hire people not authorized to work for less than what legal labor demands then the system has become corrupt.

    Ironically if the illegal labor (that proponents of worker visas feel is so vital to our economy)is transformed into legal labor, they too will start to demand higher wages as they are no longer bargaining from a position of duress.

    The result? Business will, if allowed, seek out yet more illegal labor. If there is a strawman argument out there it is this:

    Business will cease to exist in a COUNTRY that forces them to pay a wage that the LEGAL market demands.

    If a company can not make a profit after paying the market demanded wage then they can not afford to do business in this country.

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    I don't think it's true that just because the person gains legal status he or she will immediately demand higher wages. The person could be easily replaced with another illegal alien and most are painfully aware of that. If you take into consideration that legal status could be tied to conditions of employment, the situation is not one that would allow the alien to place demands upon the employer.
    The option for employers is clear now. It's legal to move the jobs overseas where there's plenty of folks willing to work for half the wages paid to an illegal alien, and that's a growing "legal" trend.
    Business will pay what they want to pay and not a penny more. If they are forced to offer higher wages they simply move the operations overseas or close down for good. Look at the scams going on right now, businesses employing folks for 38 hours a week as "part time" to avoid paying benefits, the "artificial" discrimination against some women because of pregnancy leaves, and there's still lots more that could be discussed. Ironically, if you increase the minimum wage it will also increase illegal immigration if the law is not changed; the reasons are obvious, and enforcement only measures are not going to work, the past ten years are solid proof of that.
    You could solve the problem at once by assigning an officer to supervise every business location, making sure they only employ citizens and authorized aliens, making sure they don't cheat the government out of tax money, making sure they pay benefits and prevailing wages and before you know it, the government goes bankrupt and the businesses close their doors.
    Reality is that businesses will do their best to maximize profits, no matter what, and that's a fact. The government should try to keep the jobs in the U.S. and facilitate the collection of tax from businesses and employees, money that could be used to promote education and health care initiatives.

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