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Thread: Zogby International Poll

  1. #1
    One of the most reputable and accurate polls in the world has released the following information:

    Americans oppose amnesty

    "A majority of Americans said they oppose amnesty for undocumented workers from other nations who are already residing in this nation, the survey shows. While 52% said there should be no amnesty, 32% said they would favor amnesty for such people."

    Also:

    "Asked whether the protests have made likely voters more or less sympathetic towards undocumented workers, 32% said they are now more sympathetic to their plight, while 61% said they are less likely to be sympathetic as a result of the protests."


    But don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself and keep in mind that this isn't some cheap ABC or Times poll. This is a legit poll. It also provideds loads of other interesting information on immigration. Enjoy.

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1100

  2. #2
    One of the most reputable and accurate polls in the world has released the following information:

    Americans oppose amnesty

    "A majority of Americans said they oppose amnesty for undocumented workers from other nations who are already residing in this nation, the survey shows. While 52% said there should be no amnesty, 32% said they would favor amnesty for such people."

    Also:

    "Asked whether the protests have made likely voters more or less sympathetic towards undocumented workers, 32% said they are now more sympathetic to their plight, while 61% said they are less likely to be sympathetic as a result of the protests."


    But don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself and keep in mind that this isn't some cheap ABC or Times poll. This is a legit poll. It also provideds loads of other interesting information on immigration. Enjoy.

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1100

  3. #3
    First problem is how do we define "amnesty?" The second problem is how do we define illegal immigrant? To be more specific, will voters be more sympathetic to someone who came here legally first and then overstayed their visa. Or how about someone who came here under false pretenses being legal when in reality they were not. These two examples only forsahdow the complex decision making process of who, what, where, when, how, and to what extent we define amnesty and who should be exempt from deportation. No poll can accomplish these tasks although I respect this poll and Pew international.
    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

  4. #4
    This is the same Zogby that messed up in its early projection during Bush vs Kerry 2004 showdown isn't it?

  5. #5
    You have a point, but Zogby has a reputation of being one of the most accurate. Here is a link to the notorious Time/SRBI poll that is often referred to as showing that Americans support "earned amnesty". Note that it only asks 1004 adults and that 50% of those polled also supported "Deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home countries" (Question #11).

    http://srbi.com/TimePoll_Final_Report-2006-03-31.pdf

  6. #6
    marmaduk,

    I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with that poll or situation. Can you please post a link to some supporting material?

  7. #7
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....20041209a.html

    Suffice to say, his voting day prediction is off by quite a wide margin.

  8. #8
    Might also be of interest to note that "Zogby" is an Arab.

  9. #9
    Polls are "mass opinion".
    Few things on planet earth are as temporary and fragile as "public opinions".
    They change constantly, perhaps even few times a day.

    But aside from what you define as "public opinion", there is also "collective unconcsious" and the "tide", the "wave"..

    Everything goes in direction as I predicted dozens of times before.

    Amnesty is not too far away, but it will take hundreds of thousands if not a million "scapegoats" (aka "deported illegal aliens") to change the tide and bring about the enactment of full amnesty legislation.


  10. #10
    marmaduk,

    Thanks for the link. However, there is a big difference between predictions and polls based on hard data. The former is basically an educated guess while a poll requires actually soliciting answers to questions from participants. If you note, the Zogby poll on immigration I've referenced wasn't making predictions, but was relaying responses from Americans.

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