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Thread: Veterans stand in line behind felons, illegal aliens for health care

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    Name: John Ferguson
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Greetings from Arizona, the place where the invasion starts. Yes it is true and we the Veterans that live here in Arizona have to wait months on end to see a doctor at a VA Hospital. Some have waited a year for specialty appointments that were critical. The last Doctor (?) I had seen at the VA was from Brazil, she was accused of being responsible for three counts of malpractice concerning her lack of knowledge and her subsequent treatment that she rendered. The VA has taken an adversarial attitudetowards Veterans, the have adopted the practice of the denial of claims, then they delay claims and appeals as long as possible..as we chanted last year in Washington DC, "delay, deny, the VA waiits for Vets to die." All of America should be concerned with the back door amnesty that American politicians are working on. It costs you and me for these services that illegal immigrants get using these consular matricula cards. They are draining the budget here in Arizona. They ha ve bankrupted California and are seriously straining the budgets in Texas and New Mexico. Sadly they have murdered law enforcement officers over the last two years. National Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle, was ambushed and gunned down at Organ Pipe National Monument by an illegal who had an AK-47, Phoenix Police officer Marc Atkinson was lured onto a side street and cut down by three of these illegal immigrants. Just last week Officer Robert Sitek of the Phoenix PD was critically wounded by another illegal, he still lays in a hospital bed, in critical condition. We have had massive quantities of narcotics, 3000 lbs at a time, all brought in by Illegal Mexican Nationals.The bad part is that they are now making money smuggling Usama Bin Ladens boys and other middle easterners in to AZ by way of coming through Mexico. Americans need to speak out and say no to consular matricular ID cards,They are a scam, they cost $29.00 and they are getting caught with 7 or 8 all with one picture an d different names. They are a scam way the Mexican consulate makes money to stuff into their pockets. Americans need to lobby to make sure Veterans are taken care of before the low life illegals that bring drugs and death with them, the ones who come to this country in an illegal manner. There is no such thing as an "undocumented worker", there are just "illegal immigrants"...would you call a burglar in your home an "unwanted house guest" ?? I don' think so... Stand up for those who insured your freedoms and your rights. Put Veterans first, put illegals in jail or send them home to Mexico or whatever country they came from. John Ferguson 100% Service Connected Disabled Veteran Peoria, Arizona

    Name: Jackie Juntti
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    I am amazed at how many people fail to see that the INVASION OF AMERICA by foreign invaders is not only accepted by those in the White House but it is ENCOURAGED. We, Legal Citizens, are subjected to every invasion of privacy and searched at airports under the guise that it is for *our protection and safety*. If the threat of terrorism is so great why hasn't Bush closed the Borders to ALL? The borders are wide open with the welcome wagon ladies standing at tables filled with tax funded goodies to give the ILLEGAL INVADERS as they commit the criminal act of entering America ILLEGALLY. We have politicians breaking their necks to pass laws to give every conceivable benefit they can to the ILLEGALS while cutting those same benefits for LEGAL citizens. Can anyone say *treason* is in the air? Real Americans have been sold out to the Illegal Invaders and we get to foot the bill for that sale.

    Name: Jan Conroy
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Contact the President (202) 456-1414 - FAX -- (202) 456-2461 Comment Line -- (202) 456-1111 Tell GW to find and deport ALL illegal invaders NOW! And remember what he does (or does not do) when election time rolls around. Notify your political party that you refuse to support them in any way until they force all illegal invaders out of our country and close the borders from further invasion. Remember what General Franks said about this issue (re: Syria) "I would say this: I believe that any nation that wants to control its borders can do so." Evidently, President Bush DOES NOT wish to control the flood of illegal invaders stealing our jobs and services.

    Name: Allan Wall
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    As an American living in Mexico, I have witnessed the Mexican government's efforts to control U.S. immigration policy. It's time for Americans to demand immigration reform. Tancredo for President!

    Name: ROY BRAATZ
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    THE ONLY WAY TO CONVINCE THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF YOU IS TO RENOUNCE YOUR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP AND CLAIM TO BE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. FREE HEALTH CARE, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SOCIAL SECURITY, DRIVER LICENSE, FREE BI-LINGUAL EDUCATION, SUBSIDIZED IN STATE COLLEGE TUITION....THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. AMERICA HAS BECOME THE WORLD'S WELFARE OFFICE AND JOB FAIR AT AMERICAN TAXPAYER EXPENSE. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH ALL VETERAN SACRIFICES HAVE BEEN FOR NAUGHT. LAST ONE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY PLEASE BRING THE FLAG.....

    Name: David Moore
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Help fight illegal immigration. http://www.numbersusa.org

    Name: S. A, Jorgenson
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    The health care for illegal aliens is costing the American taxpayer billions, and we are forced to pay for elective heart transplants, kidney transplants etc. The cost of their uncompensated health care has forced many clinics and hospitals to close. It is time for our government to round up these people and deport them. In California illegal aliens are given health care at VA hospitals over the veteran who has defended our country and our freedoms, and this is wrong. Most retirees pay for their health care while the invader gets theirs free.

    Name: Ray Mathews
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    Welcome to reality, sounds like Eastern California.

    Name: Mary Feltman
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    I totally agree with the American Legion Commander,however, it isn't just the Vets care where illegals come first,it's in every facet of health care. My hats off to the Commander.

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    Name: John Ferguson
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Greetings from Arizona, the place where the invasion starts. Yes it is true and we the Veterans that live here in Arizona have to wait months on end to see a doctor at a VA Hospital. Some have waited a year for specialty appointments that were critical. The last Doctor (?) I had seen at the VA was from Brazil, she was accused of being responsible for three counts of malpractice concerning her lack of knowledge and her subsequent treatment that she rendered. The VA has taken an adversarial attitudetowards Veterans, the have adopted the practice of the denial of claims, then they delay claims and appeals as long as possible..as we chanted last year in Washington DC, "delay, deny, the VA waiits for Vets to die." All of America should be concerned with the back door amnesty that American politicians are working on. It costs you and me for these services that illegal immigrants get using these consular matricula cards. They are draining the budget here in Arizona. They ha ve bankrupted California and are seriously straining the budgets in Texas and New Mexico. Sadly they have murdered law enforcement officers over the last two years. National Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle, was ambushed and gunned down at Organ Pipe National Monument by an illegal who had an AK-47, Phoenix Police officer Marc Atkinson was lured onto a side street and cut down by three of these illegal immigrants. Just last week Officer Robert Sitek of the Phoenix PD was critically wounded by another illegal, he still lays in a hospital bed, in critical condition. We have had massive quantities of narcotics, 3000 lbs at a time, all brought in by Illegal Mexican Nationals.The bad part is that they are now making money smuggling Usama Bin Ladens boys and other middle easterners in to AZ by way of coming through Mexico. Americans need to speak out and say no to consular matricular ID cards,They are a scam, they cost $29.00 and they are getting caught with 7 or 8 all with one picture an d different names. They are a scam way the Mexican consulate makes money to stuff into their pockets. Americans need to lobby to make sure Veterans are taken care of before the low life illegals that bring drugs and death with them, the ones who come to this country in an illegal manner. There is no such thing as an "undocumented worker", there are just "illegal immigrants"...would you call a burglar in your home an "unwanted house guest" ?? I don' think so... Stand up for those who insured your freedoms and your rights. Put Veterans first, put illegals in jail or send them home to Mexico or whatever country they came from. John Ferguson 100% Service Connected Disabled Veteran Peoria, Arizona

    Name: Jackie Juntti
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    I am amazed at how many people fail to see that the INVASION OF AMERICA by foreign invaders is not only accepted by those in the White House but it is ENCOURAGED. We, Legal Citizens, are subjected to every invasion of privacy and searched at airports under the guise that it is for *our protection and safety*. If the threat of terrorism is so great why hasn't Bush closed the Borders to ALL? The borders are wide open with the welcome wagon ladies standing at tables filled with tax funded goodies to give the ILLEGAL INVADERS as they commit the criminal act of entering America ILLEGALLY. We have politicians breaking their necks to pass laws to give every conceivable benefit they can to the ILLEGALS while cutting those same benefits for LEGAL citizens. Can anyone say *treason* is in the air? Real Americans have been sold out to the Illegal Invaders and we get to foot the bill for that sale.

    Name: Jan Conroy
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Contact the President (202) 456-1414 - FAX -- (202) 456-2461 Comment Line -- (202) 456-1111 Tell GW to find and deport ALL illegal invaders NOW! And remember what he does (or does not do) when election time rolls around. Notify your political party that you refuse to support them in any way until they force all illegal invaders out of our country and close the borders from further invasion. Remember what General Franks said about this issue (re: Syria) "I would say this: I believe that any nation that wants to control its borders can do so." Evidently, President Bush DOES NOT wish to control the flood of illegal invaders stealing our jobs and services.

    Name: Allan Wall
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    As an American living in Mexico, I have witnessed the Mexican government's efforts to control U.S. immigration policy. It's time for Americans to demand immigration reform. Tancredo for President!

    Name: ROY BRAATZ
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    THE ONLY WAY TO CONVINCE THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF YOU IS TO RENOUNCE YOUR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP AND CLAIM TO BE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. FREE HEALTH CARE, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SOCIAL SECURITY, DRIVER LICENSE, FREE BI-LINGUAL EDUCATION, SUBSIDIZED IN STATE COLLEGE TUITION....THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. AMERICA HAS BECOME THE WORLD'S WELFARE OFFICE AND JOB FAIR AT AMERICAN TAXPAYER EXPENSE. IT SEEMS AS THOUGH ALL VETERAN SACRIFICES HAVE BEEN FOR NAUGHT. LAST ONE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY PLEASE BRING THE FLAG.....

    Name: David Moore
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Help fight illegal immigration. http://www.numbersusa.org

    Name: S. A, Jorgenson
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    The health care for illegal aliens is costing the American taxpayer billions, and we are forced to pay for elective heart transplants, kidney transplants etc. The cost of their uncompensated health care has forced many clinics and hospitals to close. It is time for our government to round up these people and deport them. In California illegal aliens are given health care at VA hospitals over the veteran who has defended our country and our freedoms, and this is wrong. Most retirees pay for their health care while the invader gets theirs free.

    Name: Ray Mathews
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    Welcome to reality, sounds like Eastern California.

    Name: Mary Feltman
    Date: Apr, 23 2003
    I totally agree with the American Legion Commander,however, it isn't just the Vets care where illegals come first,it's in every facet of health care. My hats off to the Commander.

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    you're right

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    Friends,

    John is a disabled American Veteran and he works tirelessly on Veteran's issues and Illegal Immigration issues. The more you read and learn, the more you realize how entwined these are. John points out how these illegals are taking away our veteran's rights----they fought, were injured and still are being treated shabbily. We think this is terrible. Many members of our families have also served in our military, most of them have served in combat during different wars. Justice is not being served when our own military veterans are being pushed aside with benefits and services cut because too many funds are being used throughout the country for the illegals.

    This needs to be addressed by our Congress and NOW. Please support our Veterans and those who will be coming home from the Iraq War with major needs as well.

    Bonnie Eggle, Kris' mom

    To My Fellow Veterans,

    The Mexican Consular Metricula ID Card is a scam that needs to be stopped in its tracks. It is available to illegal immigrants for a $29.00 fee, It is handed out by Mexican Consul Offices here in the US. The proceeds from this card are given to the office that issues them. The card has no checks and balances. There have been reports from senior Border and Immigration Officials that illegal immigrants caught crossing our borders have had up to eight of these cards, all with one picture and issued under several different names. Senior Law Enforcement personnel have warned that the card is nothing more than another way for illegal immigrants to hide their identity and commit more crimes. Many law enforcement officials have refused to accept the validity of these cards and warned of their impending consequences and legal ramifications.

    It is nothing but a "free pass" that allows illegal immigrants the access to services paid for by American taxpayers. It is an outright circumvention of all systems put into place that are supposed to deny services to Illegal border crossers. It is in effect a way to grant "unofficial amnesty" to those who have chosen to ignore the laws put into place by American legislatures and taxpayers.

    These same illegal border crossers have been responsible for such heinous acts as the ambush and murder of National Park Service Law Enforcement Ranger Kris Eggle at Organ Pipe National Monument here in Arizona, The ambush and murder of Phoenix Police Officer Marc Atkinson who was lured into a side street and murdered by three illegals who were suspects in a drug case. In a recent incident, an Illegal immigrant opened fire on Phoenix Police Officer Robert Sitek who is presently in critical condition at a Phoenix hospital, shot four times by a man who had just finished serving a seven year prison sentence for aggravated assault and robbery. He was deported and then returned to carry out his act of violence. Here in the Phoenix area we see newspaper accounts on a weekly basis that report narcotics arrests that involve up to 3000 pounds of marijuana, several hundred pound cocaine hauls and more. The story always cites the fact that Illegal Mexican Nationals have been arrested in connection with these events.

    The true result is apparent as the State of California has nearly gone bankrupt paying for the services for illegal immigrants. They pay nothing into the system and yet they are draining our healthcare and welfare budgets, they simply walk away leaving you and I to pay for the services they obtain. Arizona is not far behind California when it comes to going broke paying for these services. Texas and New Mexico are suffering just as bad as a result of this tremendous drain on the budgets.

    The battle front is here in our border states. It affects everyone in this country. Here is an example of how even in the Midwest there is consequences to this invasion, read the letter from a Veterans Organization Official from Iowa.

    Source:
    Ocheyedan Press-News Osceola County, Iowa
    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=2204

    Veterans stand in line behind felons, illegal aliens for health care
    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...s=2&StartRow=1

    To the Editor:
    As the Commander of the Iowa American Legion, I feel it is extremely important to bring to light a few issues on veterans' health care. Here's a side you may have never considered:
    While 300,000 veterans are waiting to get into veterans' hospitals, the state of North Carolina spent $32 million on illegal alien health care in 2002. What a help that could have been to our veterans today, and the ones in our NEAR future.
    While criminals fill our jails and prisons, they receive immediate health care at the taxpayers' expense. A recent address by an Iowa county sheriff stated that prisoners had better care than he or his family.

    A recent publication of The American Legion revealed that the Mexican government is issuing registration cards to undocumented (illegal) aliens. Some have already been here 15 years. This card is accepted by 66 banks, 801 police departments, 80 cities, and 14 states, allowing them to have bank accounts, driver's licenses and board airplanes. Mobile units are set up in malls and churches. In two years, 1.7 million such cards have been issued, which I suspect closely resemble a legal green card. The U.S. Government has no control over this.
    No court seems to want to come out of the closet and say "take 'under God' out of the pledge of allegiance and preamble or take a stand about making flag desecration legal."
    While we stand today in support of the brave men and women, remember that actions speak louder than words-make your representatives, congress and senators aware that the promise made to those who fought to defend our country in the past, and ones fighting to protect our freedoms now, need more than someone waving the flag in support-they need to make something happen, like get a veteran in for health care who has been on the waiting list for two years.
    Sincerely, David Klingensmith, Commander, Department of Iowa American Legion

    It is time to stop the madness, It is time that the American Taxpayer wakes up and see that we are allowing the open door of our southern border with Mexico to drain the system and take services away from Veterans and other US Citizens. It is time for Secretary Principi to take his head out of the sand and see that not only are Veterans pissed that we are taking a back seat to Criminals and illegals, but that we are tired of the attitude shown by an American Government towards those who seved their country. I commend the official from the Iowa Legion for stating the facts of a sorry situation.

    I urge all Veterans and non veterans to write your elected officials and tell them "no" to Mexican President Vincente Fox's illegal identification cards. Write the Mexican consulate in Washington DC and tell them we do not accept the Consular Matricular ID card and we do not accept illegal immigration. I urge all Veterans to put an end to the practice of America's elected officials who choose to wrap themselves in the flag, uttering support for our troops and then slashing the budget in the backrooms of Congress that ultimately results in decreased services when Veterans will need them most. Our nation has laws, "selective enforcement" that ignores certain groups of illegals while enforcing others is a slap to all those who served this country and a slap to the integrity of our legal system. Slashing the monies to Veterans and then turning a blind eye to illegal immigration sends the wrong message to everyone in our country.
    It also leaves the door wide open to middle eastern terrorists who blend in with the flow of illegal immigrants, they see that see we have a revolving door on our southern border. A border that has largely been ignored by our Homeland Security officials. The Homeland Security people came here, looked at the problem, promised manpower and funding and then they went back to Washington DC and we still have the problem.

    This reply to the letter in the Iowa paper puts it in very clear light;


    Name: Jan Conroy
    Date: Apr, 24 2003
    Contact the President (202) 456-1414 - FAX -- (202) 456-2461 Comment Line -- (202) 456-1111 Tell GW to find and deport ALL illegal invaders NOW! And remember what he does (or does not do) when election time rolls around. Notify your political party that you refuse to support them in any way until they force all illegal invaders out of our country and close the borders from further invasion. Remember what General Franks said about this issue (re: Syria) "I would say this: I believe that any nation that wants to control its borders can do so." Evidently, President Bush DOES NOT wish to control the flood of illegal invaders stealing our jobs and services.

    As for Secretay Principi, here is my reply to him;



    Subject: I need a Mexican consular ID card as I think illegals have better services.....



    Does VA Secretary Principi want to add his spin to this one...while his Congressional Liaison guy (Gordon Mansfield) isn't telling lies to Vets in front of 810 Vermont, he should look into how Illegal Immigrants seem to have better chances of getting healthcare than Veterans who served their country.... But then Principi aired his fantasy today that all the nations newspapers were wrong, according to him, it was all an internet spurred urban legend... and everyones elses (besides Principi and his staff) interpretation of the vote that Congress was only going to take $6.8 Billion from the VA Budget over the next 15 years was not the truth. Yes he added funding for next year, he had to to look good in the short term. The problem is that just about the time that most of these guys coming home from Iraq will need the services of the VA, the budget will be empty of any reasonable operating funds and Principi will be retired and forgotten except for his legacy of being a Naval Officer that turned his back on those he served with. Then our tax dollars will be needed to repay what was taken. You see the problems Veterans experience have a habit of surfacing about 10 to 15 years after they get out of the service.

    Mr. Principi has made a lot of public speeches trying to cash in on the patriotism and good P.R. that a War brings, sad though he still continues to screw over the ones who have been in the system from the Vietnam Era and before. He has chosen to m-a-n-i-p-u-l-a-t-e the perspective of the supposed reduction of the backlog of claims....he chooses to tell the public that wait times have decreased. Yet, Veterans like myself, fed up with the incompetent actions of VA Adjudicators, have to spend hours on the phone to try and find VA Medical Records that the Board of Veterans Appeals has been waiting months to recieve from another VA facility. It is waiting from 1996 until 2001 for an incompetent VA Regional Office employee from Phoenix Arizona to submit a simple request for a formal hearing to the Washington Office. It is a VA Adjudicator that got so pissed when his inability to do his job was reported to Congress and the media, that he made a telephone call to threaten this Veteran with physical harm. It is the Senior Staff at the VA in Washington DC that looks the other way and ignores criminal acts committed by their employees. Some cases like the embezzlement of millions in the Atlanta VA Regional Office were too big to keep from the media. Cases of nurses who killed patients at VA Medical Centers are also hard to conceal from the media. Cases like Tampa where the VA adjudicator bought cars and jewelry that totalled up to thousands of dollars made the media but not as big as the Atlanta score by VA employees.

    There are more stories like the VA Lawyers who went to jail for deliberately taking evidence out of files, trashing files of Veterans claims in dumpsters and trash cans at their houses. They said they did it in hopes of getting a "bigger bonus payment" for reducing the number of claims. There are countless accounts of medical treatment ranging from bad to worse at all VA facilities, allegations of employees under the influence and when they are reported, the files are thrown into a shredder, no evidence, no liability. That one seems to be the hot training course for patient advocates and hospital administrators. "Liability Reduction 101" and the companion course, "How to deny a tort claim and keep the budget losses down". Another one seems to be how to manipulate the facts to make a broken agency try to look good. The problem there is that we all see through the scam Principi is putting up during his "patriotic moments".

    We all see that no matter what Secretary Principi puts out in his press releases that he is taking the damage done by Togo West (previous secretary and destroyer of veterans rights and services) and compounding it by his dishonest and inept management practices. It is time to make a positive step for the new Vets coming home from Iraq. Demand that Secretary Anthony Principi step down or face impeachment for failure to carry out the duties of his office.

    So think about this, America's Veterans are ranked pretty low when you see that the criminals and illegals have better access to health care and federal services. They seem to have the full services of our Justice Department here in Arizona, the Justice Department (US Attorney and FBI) offers more assistance to illegal immigrants and it seriously lacking when it comes to protecting the civil rights of Veterans who try to report threats made by VA employees.

    But what do you expect? Most politicians veil themselves in the flag, proclaim their support for the troops and then slash the budgets and take away the benefits after the parades are over, after the need for the Veterans vote fades, after they crossed the Potomac and developed Post Election Amnesia.

    We cut Veterans services. We can pay tax dollars for airlines to be bailed out after the CEO's take big bonus payments, we can lay off workers as CEO's juggle the books to hide the bonus payments, we lay off workers as the State of Arizona is in a budget crunch, yet we see a the Attorney General of Arizona opening an office to assist illegal immigrants when they are discriminated against...what is wrong with this picture? Why cant they be deported ?, why do we cater to those who came here in an illegal manner?.


    John Ferguson
    100% Service Connected Disabled Veteran
    Peoria, Arizona
    www.firebasephoenix.com

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