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Thread: ARE GAYS REQUIRED TO APPEAR FOR SPECIAL REGISTRATION?

  1. #1
    Guest
    We all know gays are not allowed in military.

    We all know gays are much less likely to engage in violence and terrorism.

    Because we all know that gays are more like women than men.

    If women are not required to register, gays shouldn't be required to register as well.

    Any clarifications?

  2. #2
    Guest
    We all know gays are not allowed in military.

    We all know gays are much less likely to engage in violence and terrorism.

    Because we all know that gays are more like women than men.

    If women are not required to register, gays shouldn't be required to register as well.

    Any clarifications?

  3. #3
    Guest
    This is a very good excuse, but you'd have to admit you are gay before the immigration officer during a certain interview.

  4. #4
    Guest
    Under the Registration regulations only WOMEN are exempt.

  5. #5
    Guest
    Gays are women.

  6. #6
    Guest
    I think this is a very valid point - INS should be alerted they have not paid sufficient attention to this fact when publishing their regulations - gays shouldn't be required to special-register.

  7. #7
    Guest
    Right, gay people just like women are already penetrated, it is straight men who need to go to jail to be penetrated and humiliated, as per government's desires.

  8. #8
    Guest
    "Right, gay people just like women are already penetrated, it is straight men who need to go to jail to be penetrated and humiliated, as per government's desires."

    I'm not sure about this, as to what exactly do you mean...

  9. #9
    Guest
    ???

  10. #10
    Guest
    You cannot claim you are gay just to not go to Special Registration.

    By means of the penile plethysmograph (PPG) you are measured changes in the circumference of your *****. A stretchable band with mercury in it is fitted around your *****; the band is connected to a machine with a video screen and data recorder. Any changes in ***** size, even those not felt by the subject, are recorded while the subject views sexually suggestive or pornographic pictures, slides, or movies, or listens to audio tapes with descriptions of such things as children being molested. Computer software is used to develop graphs showing "the degree of arousal to each stimulus." The machine costs about $8,000 and was first developed in Czechoslovakia to prevent draft dodgers from claiming they were gay just to avoid military duty.

    Farrall Instruments Inc., of Grand Island, Nebraska, manufactures the device and in 1993 had sold most of the 400 units then in use in sex-offender treatment centers in some 40 states. Two uses have already been mentioned:

    1) to weed out false gays, and
    2) to treat of sex-offenders.

    The latter is sometimes done in conjunction with aversion therapy, which involves subjecting patients to electric shocks or foul odors while being shown sexually suggestive pictures. The hope is that the treatment will dull the patient's interest in **** materials. Psychologists use the PPG to measure the success of the therapy.

    Submission to a PPG has been made a condition of parole for certain sex offenders. The PPG has been used in child-custody cases to determine that a father is or is not likely to abuse his child, and in sentencing decisions for sex offenders. It has even been given to children as young as 10 who had abused other children. The latter was done in Phoenix, Arizona, with no evidence either that the test was useful or that it would not be harmful when given to children. Not everyone submits quietly to the PPG requirements, however. Officials in Old Town, Maine, had to pay nearly a million dollars to a policeman who was threatened with firing for refusing to submit to a PPG.

    Apparently, it is assumed that the more quickly aroused and the greater the engorgement the higher the "arousal level." Apparently, it is also assumed by many practitioners that any "arousal level" when viewing or listening to descriptions of naked children or adults having sex with children is "deviant." Yet, according to studies done by the inventor of the PPG, Dr. Kurt Freund, " many so called normal men who have not committed illegal sex acts show considerable arousal to stimuli depicting naked children or children involved in sexual activity." And, in one court case, Dr. Michael Tyson, a clinical and forensic psychologist specializing in the field of sexual criminal behavior, testified that "the vast majority of individuals who commit sexual offenses against children are not sexually aroused by stimulus material involving children."

    The reliability and utility of the device have been argued in court and penile plethysmographic evidence has been declared inadmissible because of its "questionable reliability." Nevertheless, there is a whole industry of therapists who treat sex offenders and think the PPG will assist them "in determining whether someone who has committed a sex crime has a pattern of deviant sexual interests." Therapists use the PPG to help them devise treatment programs and to measure the success of their treatment. All this is done without any concern, apparently, that there is no compelling evidence that sexual arousal or non-arousal from pictures or sounds significantly correlates with criminal deviant behavior. There is no compelling evidence that a person who gets aroused by pictures or sounds is significantly more likely to commit sex crimes than one who does not get aroused. On the other hand, there is no compelling evidence that a person who does not get aroused by pictures or sounds is significantly less likely to commit sex crimes than one who does get aroused.

    Still, the PPG can provide some information which might prove useful to a sex-offender therapist. The computer software used with the PPG enables the tester to develop graphs that indicate whether the subject is more aroused by males than by females, by children than by adults, by coerced than by consensual sex, etc. The therapeutic controversy begins, however, as soon as the therapist tries to convert "arousal levels" to anything meaningful, such as claims that a sex- offender is "cured" or is "responding positively to treatment." This is in addition to the controversy already mentioned over using the PPG in conjunction with aversion therapy. One glaring problem with the use of the PPG is the lack of standardized materials to use as stimuli for subjects, a factor which clearly biases the data. Therapists vary greatly in the kind of materials they use to arouse subjects. Some materials are rather tame, e.g., nude adults, children in underwear or bathing suits. Others use hardcore pornography, including depictions of rape and pedophilia.

    More objectionable than the questionable scientific validity of the device, however, are the moral and legal questions its use raises. Some of the materials would probably be illegal on the open market because they constitute child pornography. Much of the material is morally objectionable. Some of the uses of the device raise constitutional issues. For example, submission to the PPG test as a condition for employment, for enlistment into the armed forces, or for granting custody of children. Some penal institutions have made submission to the PPG a condition of parole, even though the device's usefulness as a predictor of behavior is unproven. The practice has been upheld by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Many of those who treat sex offenders swear by the PPG even though there is no compelling evidence that PPG readings validly indicate a tendency to commit or not commit sex crimes.

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