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Thread: acelaw and kenny and some other names are abusing this forum by posting anti-immigrant and hate messages.

  1. #1
    WHO IS ABUSING WHO??????? AM I COSTING YOU 330 MILLION BECAUSE I VIOLATED YOUR COUNTRIES LAWS AND FOPRCED MY WILL UPON YOU ILLEGALY ?????dO i DEGRADE YOU LIFE BY COMUING INTO THIS COUNTRY AND OVERSATYIG A VISA AND THEN USE OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AGASINT YOU TO BEAT THE SYSTEM????? Best of all complain at the time and paperwork involved , its like we should forget about 9/11 and just let any Tom , **** or Harry into this country, after all you can leach off us tax paying citizens in the process, send 30 billion out of this country which hurts the good ole USA and then call its citizens RACIEST when they object to your illegal behavior.



    Assembly Panel OKs Bill Giving Illegal Immigrants Driver's Licenses
    Compromise measure also includes fee increases for state's motorists. Senate readies similar action after Davis' reversal.


    Times Headlines


    Bustamante, Davis Depend on Many of the Same Donors


    She Can Fetch $150,000


    Schwarzenegger Calls for Deep Cuts


    Local Homes Get Even Pricier


    Ex-Chief of Film Agency Charged


    more >







    FEES

    DRIVERS LICENSES

    CALIFORNIA

    ILLEGAL ALIENS

    CALIFORNIA DRIVERS LICENSES FEES LEGISLATION ILLEG

    LEGISLATION











    By Carl Ingram, Times Staff Writer


    SACRAMENTO " A compromise bill that would enable illegal immigrants to acquire a California driver's license " but also charge all motorists an estimated $330 million a year in higher license fees " shot through a pivotal Assembly committee Wednesday without discussion or public testimony.

    On a 16-to-7 party-line vote, majority Democrats on the Appropriations Committee overwhelmed Republicans to send the proposal to the full Assembly for a vote, expected as early as today.

    The Senate was braced to do the same and forward the bill to Gov. Gray Davis.

    Davis, who had vetoed two similar versions of the bill by state Sen. Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) at past sessions, did an about-face and announced last month at a rally held to oppose the Oct. 7 recall election that he would happily sign the latest bill.

    The reversal caught even Cedillo by surprise.

    But how the program would be financed received virtually no public discussion, especially the proposed fee increases on all drivers, some of which would double to raise $160 million in the first six months of next year and approximately $330 million each full year thereafter.

    Cedillo called the proposed fee increases a "very modest cost" that would make California's streets and highways safer and give citizens a greater "sense of security." According to the Department of Motor Vehicles, effective Jan. 1, the cost of a first-time driver's license for passenger car operators would go from $12 to $24. Renewals would be boosted from $15 to $24. The cost of duplicate licenses would be raised from $12 to $19, and state identification cards would go from $6 to $20.

    Unlike tax increases, which must be approved by at least two-thirds of the Legislature, fee increases can be enacted by a majority vote. This means Democrats could pass them without votes from minority Republicans.

    At previous sessions of the Legislature, leading police chiefs and sheriffs " close allies of Davis " had opposed the license bills as a threat to public safety. They noted that some terrorists in the attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, were licensed drivers in this country.

    But sources said the deal came together when Davis, at the urging of Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton, inserted into the driver's license bill a long-sought high-tech fingerprinting system that officials said would instantly detect fraudulent license applicants, whether they were legal or illegal residents. The system also would provide a vast new databank of motorist information that would give police a new tool to track down drivers who commit crimes.

    Davis originally proposed the fee hikes in his state budget bill in January.

    At the time, they were advertised as a way to help ease the state's fiscal crisis by beefing up the severely weakened motor vehicle account. However, DMV and legislative sources said the proposed fee increases would now be shifted to financing the proposed fingerprinting system.

    The proposed fee increases are included in a separate bill that is pending in the Senate. Although the measures are not formally linked, Cedillo and Chairman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) of the Assembly Appropriations Committee said an agreement had been reached to finance both the driver's license program and the fingerprinting system with increased license fees.

    Cedillo said he believed that drivers would accept higher license fees as a reasonable price to pay for safer highways and a new databank for law enforcement purposes.

    The Department of Motor Vehicles last ordered a general driver's license fee increase in 1992, from $10 to $12 for a first-time license, a spokesman said.

    Opponents of the driver's license bill, including those demanding a tighter California-Mexico international border, argued that to allow people who are in this country illegally to get a driver's license merely would reward lawless behavior and cheapen the credibility of the California license.

    But it was somewhat of a surprise that a bill that had been so extensively amended did not get a full hearing in the Appropriations Committee. It was brought up as the last item of business from a long agenda and approved without discussion or testimony from members of the public who might be affected by the bill.

    In response to reporters' questions, Steinberg at first defended the procedure as necessary to meet the demands of Davis administration officials who were pressing for immediate action. Later, he agreed that the issue should have been given a more thorough public airing.

    If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.
    Click here for article licensing and reprint options

  2. #2
    WHO IS ABUSING WHO??????? AM I COSTING YOU 330 MILLION BECAUSE I VIOLATED YOUR COUNTRIES LAWS AND FOPRCED MY WILL UPON YOU ILLEGALY ?????dO i DEGRADE YOU LIFE BY COMUING INTO THIS COUNTRY AND OVERSATYIG A VISA AND THEN USE OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS AGASINT YOU TO BEAT THE SYSTEM????? Best of all complain at the time and paperwork involved , its like we should forget about 9/11 and just let any Tom , **** or Harry into this country, after all you can leach off us tax paying citizens in the process, send 30 billion out of this country which hurts the good ole USA and then call its citizens RACIEST when they object to your illegal behavior.



    Assembly Panel OKs Bill Giving Illegal Immigrants Driver's Licenses
    Compromise measure also includes fee increases for state's motorists. Senate readies similar action after Davis' reversal.


    Times Headlines


    Bustamante, Davis Depend on Many of the Same Donors


    She Can Fetch $150,000


    Schwarzenegger Calls for Deep Cuts


    Local Homes Get Even Pricier


    Ex-Chief of Film Agency Charged


    more >







    FEES

    DRIVERS LICENSES

    CALIFORNIA

    ILLEGAL ALIENS

    CALIFORNIA DRIVERS LICENSES FEES LEGISLATION ILLEG

    LEGISLATION











    By Carl Ingram, Times Staff Writer


    SACRAMENTO " A compromise bill that would enable illegal immigrants to acquire a California driver's license " but also charge all motorists an estimated $330 million a year in higher license fees " shot through a pivotal Assembly committee Wednesday without discussion or public testimony.

    On a 16-to-7 party-line vote, majority Democrats on the Appropriations Committee overwhelmed Republicans to send the proposal to the full Assembly for a vote, expected as early as today.

    The Senate was braced to do the same and forward the bill to Gov. Gray Davis.

    Davis, who had vetoed two similar versions of the bill by state Sen. Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) at past sessions, did an about-face and announced last month at a rally held to oppose the Oct. 7 recall election that he would happily sign the latest bill.

    The reversal caught even Cedillo by surprise.

    But how the program would be financed received virtually no public discussion, especially the proposed fee increases on all drivers, some of which would double to raise $160 million in the first six months of next year and approximately $330 million each full year thereafter.

    Cedillo called the proposed fee increases a "very modest cost" that would make California's streets and highways safer and give citizens a greater "sense of security." According to the Department of Motor Vehicles, effective Jan. 1, the cost of a first-time driver's license for passenger car operators would go from $12 to $24. Renewals would be boosted from $15 to $24. The cost of duplicate licenses would be raised from $12 to $19, and state identification cards would go from $6 to $20.

    Unlike tax increases, which must be approved by at least two-thirds of the Legislature, fee increases can be enacted by a majority vote. This means Democrats could pass them without votes from minority Republicans.

    At previous sessions of the Legislature, leading police chiefs and sheriffs " close allies of Davis " had opposed the license bills as a threat to public safety. They noted that some terrorists in the attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, were licensed drivers in this country.

    But sources said the deal came together when Davis, at the urging of Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton, inserted into the driver's license bill a long-sought high-tech fingerprinting system that officials said would instantly detect fraudulent license applicants, whether they were legal or illegal residents. The system also would provide a vast new databank of motorist information that would give police a new tool to track down drivers who commit crimes.

    Davis originally proposed the fee hikes in his state budget bill in January.

    At the time, they were advertised as a way to help ease the state's fiscal crisis by beefing up the severely weakened motor vehicle account. However, DMV and legislative sources said the proposed fee increases would now be shifted to financing the proposed fingerprinting system.

    The proposed fee increases are included in a separate bill that is pending in the Senate. Although the measures are not formally linked, Cedillo and Chairman Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) of the Assembly Appropriations Committee said an agreement had been reached to finance both the driver's license program and the fingerprinting system with increased license fees.

    Cedillo said he believed that drivers would accept higher license fees as a reasonable price to pay for safer highways and a new databank for law enforcement purposes.

    The Department of Motor Vehicles last ordered a general driver's license fee increase in 1992, from $10 to $12 for a first-time license, a spokesman said.

    Opponents of the driver's license bill, including those demanding a tighter California-Mexico international border, argued that to allow people who are in this country illegally to get a driver's license merely would reward lawless behavior and cheapen the credibility of the California license.

    But it was somewhat of a surprise that a bill that had been so extensively amended did not get a full hearing in the Appropriations Committee. It was brought up as the last item of business from a long agenda and approved without discussion or testimony from members of the public who might be affected by the bill.

    In response to reporters' questions, Steinberg at first defended the procedure as necessary to meet the demands of Davis administration officials who were pressing for immediate action. Later, he agreed that the issue should have been given a more thorough public airing.

    If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.
    Click here for article licensing and reprint options

  3. #3
    Guest
    Acelaw, Don't you get it? If other people don't agree with you, they would rather say you are "expressing a message of hate" (rajoo) rather than try to voice their own opinion. Rajoo can't see the hate in his own Islamic brothers when they send out their youths to blow up innocent people. Or others (hot & h o r n e y) will simply revert to name calling and use vulgarity. It just shows you the intelligence level of these people. I may not agree with all of your points on the issue of immigration (it is a very complex & emotional issue), but I respect your views and know that you want ultimately what is best for our country as a whole. I have seen posts by Hot and H o r n e y in which he says "f u c k America, the stinky *****". This shows me that this individual has serious issues. It does not appear to me that this nut wants anything good for America. It makes you wonder why he is here - is he a member of Al-Qaida? Maybe.
    Regards,
    Kenny

  4. #4
    Guest
    to kenny and acelaw,
    the fact is you are abusing this forum by posting messages unrelated to immigration, some of which are hate messages. You have nothing but hatred towards some groups of people including immigrants, moslems, jews, etc. You think america belongs to white, anglo-saxon protestants. You are wrong.
    rajoo

  5. #5
    Guest
    See what I mean!!!!! What a nut!

  6. #6
    Guest
    Rajoo likes to pretend to try to tell other people what they think. He does NOT know me nor what I think! Also, he likes to tell people who/what they hate. He probably has a lot of experience with his own hate-filled Islamic brothers that he thinks that he is the ultimate authority on Hate.

  7. #7
    Guest
    to kenny,
    Stop writing your messages of hate against immigrants, mexican, jews, arabs, moslems, indians, and the minorities.
    rajoo.

  8. #8
    Guest
    to rafool,
    Stop writing your messages of hate against immigrants, mexican, jews, arabs, moslems, indians, and the minorities.
    rafool.

  9. #9
    Guest
    We are passing through very difficult times. The whole world is being attacked by relentless terrorists. There were and still are many who believe that the "conflict" between the Arabs ("Palestinians") and the Israelis is the root cause of the terror. But that is not correct " that conflict is only a small part of the picture. The real cause of the terror is the undying hatred of Islam, not just against Jews and not just against Israel, but against the whole non-Islamic world.

    Those who believe that only a small group of Muslims " the "Islamists" are involved in this hatred are simply uninformed or in denial. Not all Muslims, of course, participate in the outrages. But, virtually all Muslims sympathize with them. When the jets slammed into the Pentagon and into the World Trade Center, there was dancing in the streets in virtually all Muslim cities, certainly in all of those in the Middle East.

    The atrocities in Israel, the suicide bombings, have become so commonplace that they are now routinely relegated to the back pages of the newspapers. But damage is horrific: Over six hundred Jews have been killed so far, thousands more have been grievously wounded by fanatical Muslim suicide bombers since the beginning of their intifada. If you consider that the population of Israel is only about 1/60th of that of the United States, you get a sense of the magnitude of this outrage. Those 600 dead correspond to 35,000 dead in the United States. Would we stand still for that? Would we use "restraint," such as the world is requiring from Israel? Of course not! We would use all of our resources " every weapon and every tool available to punish and to crush those who would wreak such damage and such casualties on us.

    But Israel is not the only country that is victimized by this Muslim terror. There has been slaughter in Bosnia, in Kosovo, and in the Philippines; the ongoing carnage in Kashmir, the recent outrages in Bali and in Moscow, and the Maryland/Virginia sniper, causing hundreds of victims " all of them the work of Muslim fanatics.

    Islam is the enemy of the world as we know it. Its desire to destroy Israel is only one small part of the big picture. It is foolish to p u s s y foot around that and not to acknowledge it.

    It should now be clear to all that we were prescient and totally correct in our assessment. Islam is, indeed, the enemy of the West. Its adherents will do almost anything to achieve their deadly aim. And that aim is the destruction of the West, its culture and its civilization. The principal enemy is the United States. The destruction of Israel is also an important goal, but it is a sideshow compared to the hoped-for destruction of the United States.

    You are aware, I am sure, of the terrible reality of anti-Semitism, which most of us believed to have perished in the Holocaust. But it has again reared its nasty head. Fortunately, we in the United States, at least so far, have not been touched by this ugly development. It is now rampant again in Europe " mostly in France, but, sad to say, also in Germany and even in the Scandinavian countries. All of this is prompted by the unceasing propaganda, by the "public relations" of the Arabs, who have been able to convince the Europeans of the terrible "misdeeds" of Israelis against the "Palestinians."

    One of the heaviest burdens we have to bear is that of those renegades among us " leftist activists " who do everything in their power to bring Israel and the Jewish people into disrepute, by pointing out alleged mistreatment of the "Palestinians" by Israel. No mention is ever made of the atrocities of the Arabs against the Jews and that the Israelis use utmost restraint and greatest forbearance in the face of this murderous activity. Such "luminaries" as Noam Chomsky, an MIT professor, and many other such "intellectuals" come to mind. Regrettably, our universities are full of those people. Our part of the country, Northern California, and especially the University of California at Berkeley, are hotbeds of this hateful activity.

    Israel is the only country in the world whose "legitimacy" is being questioned. It is the only country in the world whose enemies have sworn to destroy it and who are willing to sacrifice themselves and their children to accomplish that. Israel is our most important treasure. We cannot allow a second Holocaust to happen. It would be the end of the Jewish people.

    PS. Do you realize that the family of a "martyr," of a suicide bomber, gets a reward of $40,000 for having "sacrificed" one of its children? $25,000 of that came from the Iraqi treasury, from Saddam Hussein, $10,000 from Saudi Arabia, and $5,000 from the Palestine Authority. The income of the average Palestinian family is less than $5,000 per year. So, it's quite an incentive, isn't it?

  10. #10
    Guest
    To Rajoo,
    Do you feel joy when you read about a 16 or 17 year old Palestinian youth who has blown himself up trying to kill some Jewish people? Do you think it is a good thing when the Arab governments & the PLO rewards his family for such a horrific act? Did you find joy when terrorists hijacked the airplanes that led to the events of September 11th? Do you find joy when you read about the countless terrorist bombings in the Philippines? Etc. Etc. - I could go on & on. What/Who is the root cause of all these terrorist activities in YOUR OPINION?

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