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  • No More 'ILLEGAL ALIENS' here on this boards -- We Proudly Are UNDOCUMENTED 'FOREIGN NATIONAL CITIZENS'!!!

    OKAY, GUYS?! Watch Your Tongue From Now On!

  • #2
    OKAY, GUYS?! Watch Your Tongue From Now On!

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    • #3
      wa wa wa...how could an "undocumented" foreigner be proud of it?

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      • #4
        Many "undocumented" foreigners are 'undocumented' not because of their fault, but because of unfavorable circumstances, stupid immigration lawyers, lack of qualifying relatives and so on..so, it's not something for which you're supposed to be proud or ashamed of...

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        • #5
          Exactly, the title of this thread it's a way of saying that undocumented foreign national citizens aren't "aliens" -- just like they come from some other planet -- but citizens/nationals of other countries, foreign to America, that are proud of being citizens of those countries, despite their illegal immigration status in the U'S.

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          • #6
            Then if you're so proud of being citizens of those countries why do you come to the U.S. -- even entering our country illegally?

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            • #7
              Maybe what they want to say is that they are proud of breaking our laws, i.e., for being illegally in our country...

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              • #8
                Hopes of Mexican migrants to US are chilled
                By John Authers
                Published: May 6 2003 18:57 | Last Updated: May 7 2003 1:23


                When Luis Ernesto Derbez, Mexico's foreign minister, meets Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, in Washington today the expectations at home will be that he will make substantial progress on immigration and trade.

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                Mexico wants stronger legal rights for migrant workers in the US, while President Vicente Fox last month predicted an expanded North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and the US, modelled on the European Union.

                But despite optimistic speeches by several leading Mexican politicians, there are continuing signs of cooling relations between Mr Fox and George W. Bush. Ties have suffered after Mexico's decision not to support a second resolution on an Iraq war in the United Nations Security Council and to oppose the US-led invasion.

                Mr Fox said on Monday that he saw no need for a summit with Mr Bush this year, and that he now thought the priority of Mexican foreign policy should be to strengthen links with South America. The two leaders met four times in 2001 and twice last year.

                On Monday Mr Bush, in a statement for the Mexican Cinco de Mayo (May 5) holiday, hailed the "vibrant culture and deep commitment to faith, family and community" of Mexican Americans. But in a marked departure from his Cinco de Mayo speeches of recent years, the US president failed to mention his Mexican counterpart.

                Despite these signs, Mr Derbez, who took over as foreign secretary in January, said the relationship with the US was improving "day by day", and stressed the importance of immigration. He said his visit to Washington - where he will also meet Commerce Department officials and members of Congress - would "strengthen the policy we initiated in the last two months, to go from the bottom up, to go towards giving people what's important to them, which is a better quality of life in the day-to-day existence of our migrants".

                Since 2001, Mexican consulates have issued identification cards to more than 1m migrants - most of whom are believed to be illegal migrants - which are recognised by states and municipalities, offering them the opportunity to open bank accounts or take out driving licences.

                Santiago Creel, the interior minister tipped to be a future presidential candidate for Mr Fox's National Action party (Pan), said it was the government's "duty to protect Mexicans who find themselves on the other side of the border", and that this was "a battle" to be carried out with the new weapons of "understanding, good neighbourliness and friendship".

                During 2001, his first year in office, Mr Fox made an ambitious attempt to win an accord on migrant workers' rights, including a guest-worker programme and a possible amnesty from the US government. But negotiations have halted.

                Delal Baer, a Mexican expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, doubts there will be a breakthrough, and points out that a trade dispute in which Mexico is blocking imports of US corn and beans, and a forthcoming vote on Cuba in the Organisation of American States, could also complicate US-Mexican relations. "If they don't vote the right way for the US, that doesn't mean we'll move into reprisals, but there will certainly be love lost," she says.

                Peter Hakim, president of the Inter-American Dialogue in Washington, said he found it hard to believe anything significant on immigration could be achieved at this stage. But he added that Mr Fox has "everything to gain" by raising expectations ahead of July's mid-term elections in Mexico: "If he doesn't get anything positive, he's made the case again, and the failure can be blamed on the US."

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                • #9
                  I have always been opposed to calling human beings "aliens". We are all people. An American citizen has no more value than anyone born anywhere else.

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                  • #10
                    While used to denote non-citizens, these terms are crude, failing to recognize their FOREIGN CITIZENSHIP or HUMANITY. The term has a derogatory meaning even for "resident aliens" who have the legal right to reside in the United States.

                    Alternatives: "undocumented immigrant", "new immigrant".

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                    • #11
                      It's called "double-speak" -- it's done on purpose...

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                      • #12
                        Coming to the US without permission is illegal, that is a simple fact, not an opinion. Whether or not the law is fair or just is an opinion. A person who comes to the US without permission or remains in the US without permission is an illegal alien. "Alien" means foreigner. Look it up in the dictionary. "Foreigner" means someone from outside of the country, in this case, someone from a country other than the United States.
                        Opinions should not be confused with facts. It is not possible to disagree with a fact. You can disagree with the fairness of the law, but you can't disagree with the law's existence. A person is either legally present or illegally present. "Undocumented" is also correct. If the government doesn't have documentation of a person's presence, than that person is undocumented.
                        I believe in immigration reform, but I don't think that someone should knowingly break the law and then expect not to suffer any consequences. That would be foolish. It would be impossible to give US residency to every person in the world who desires it, needs it, or otherwise thinks that they have a right to it. The only people who have a "right" to US citizenship and residency are those that are born and raised in the US or it's territories. For all others, it is a privelage.

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                        • #13
                          Undocumented immigrants contribute more to American society than they take, and ought to be made citizens, Mayor Michael Bloomberg told skeptical callers on his radio show Friday.

                          "Make everyone who is here and undocumented, just make them citizens," Bloomberg said on WABC (770-AM). "Let's get on with it. They'll become taxpayers. They'll become productive members of society easier..."

                          Bloomberg made his remarks in response to two callers, the first identified as Chaim, a health-care professional, who complained he's paying higher taxes for "a huge amount of illegal immigrants here who collect foodstamps, welfare benefits, school benefits, hospital. You name it, they're collecting it.

                          "Why should I pay for people here illegally?"

                          Bloomberg replied: "Every economic study that has been done actually says that...undocumented people contribute more to society than they get in terms of services."

                          The nation must secure its borders, he said. "But if you remember, just before 9/11, President Bush was basically proposing just what I said. He orginally talked about Mexican immigrants but I think everybody recognized that would be extended to all people who were here illegally."

                          Another caller, identified as Michael in Manhattan, challenged the position, saying many visitors to emergency rooms and inmates are undocumented.

                          "We want those people to be engaged, get medical care, so they aren't sick," Bloomberg said. "Get their kids into school so that their kds don't get into trouble later on. I mean, the problem is, not to put your head in the sand and yell at 'em."

                          "They're here illegally, but they're here, and they're going to stay here, and I'd rather turn them into productive citizens than leave the status quo."

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                          • #14
                            PLEASE LEGALIZE UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.AMERICA NEEDS THEM.IF THEY legalize, people will pay Taxes, i heard that there are 15 million undocumented people in this country. If INS collects $ 3,000 from each person, Ins will make lot of money and also they pay Taxes. Economy will improve.

                            Thanks
                            MIKE

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                            • #15
                              America needs legal as well as illegal immigrants. It is these immigrants that don't need America, but only think they need her.

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