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    <span class="ev_code_RED">Here's one for the bigots</span>

    Truth or Consequences
    [color:RED]...............................
    GOD
    KING OF THE UNIVERSE[/color]

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    <span class="ev_code_RED">Here's one for the bigots</span>

    Truth or Consequences
    [color:RED]...............................
    GOD
    KING OF THE UNIVERSE[/color]

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    • #3
      Talking about slavery.... Slavery was the law of the land, so there was nothing wrong in supporting it I guess.

      How absurd.

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      • #4
        <span class="ev_code_RED">I support legal immigration and the law. However, there needs to be an actual plan implemented that addresses and solves this massive and growing problem.

        Don't you agree? </span>
        [color:RED]...............................
        GOD
        KING OF THE UNIVERSE[/color]

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        • #5
          You forget davdah that past US Governments, Republican and Democrat have turned a blind eye to the illegal immigrant issue over the years. This isn't something that just started happening, it goes back decades. We're now paying the price of inaction.

          Finding them, rounding them up and deporting them all isn't the answer. Secure the borders, then find a resolution to this problem. The only way forward is some form of legalization for those are guilty of nothing more than trying to support their families.
          "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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          • #6
            Not all illegal immigrants are criminals and not all legal immigrants are not criminals. In fact a lot of illegal immigrants contribute more to this country than legal immigrants. But of course some people will say, illegal is illegal...

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            • #7
              <span class="ev_code_RED">When the Government prosecutes a murder suspect, they often cut a plea bargain, guaranteeing a reduced sentence in exchange for co-operation.

              Since the immigration problem was permitted to get so out of hand, the Government bares some of the responsibilities for the problem. What is the point of having laws, if we are not prepared to enforce them?

              Considering the fact that in reality there will be no 20,000,000 deportations, America needs to cut a plea bargain. If each alien was required to pay a fine of say $5,000 to $10,000 to register, and be required to start paying taxes. We would then have everyone's finger prints, millions of new tax payers, and huge lump sum of much needed cash, much less crime, no more slave labor, etc.

              After that, the borders need to be secured once and for all. </span>
              [color:RED]...............................
              GOD
              KING OF THE UNIVERSE[/color]

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              • #8
                At least there's a glimmer of hope in the horizon. The people have spoken and spoken aloud that enough is enough of the era of indifference and incompetence. It may not be quick, it may not be all-encompassing out right, but sometimes change starts small. But small or something, anything, is better than nothing at all.

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                • #9
                  Imo,we have passed the mass.deportation phase in this debate.

                  I can't say I really agree with legalization but if it would get the d a m n Congress to do something about the problem then so be it.It is very obvious what must be done judging by the facts.

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Seems this is igniting a debate. The fact is every illegal immigrant is a criminal They violated US laws and sovereignty by entering and staying in our country. Most illegals are an economic drain on society. They deflate wages as is exemplified by the original post. They cause problems for those who did follow protocol in the immigration process by clogging it with endless appeals and legal nonsense instead of doing what is right, leaving. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Wrong. There is a distinction on how the person became an illegal immigrant. If it were through EWI then yes, that is considered a crime. Even so, it's a misdemeanor crime similar to a DUI. Visa overstay is thought to account for about 50% of illegals. In that case it is considered a civil misdemeanor.

                    "Under the Act, "illegal alien" may mean an alien who has illegally entered the country, which is a criminal offense under § 1325, or an alien who legally entered but is illegally present in the United States, which may be only a civil violation."

                    http://www.cairco.org/legal/legal.html
                    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                    • #11
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Securing the borders isn't too difficult. Ridding us of the illegal alien drain isn't that much more difficult either. Simply remove what they came for. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      The unofficial "smoke 'em out" policy won't remove all illegal immigrants and it won't be quick in any case. It could takes years to accomplish.

                      You can't apply absolute black and white policy. There are grey areas such as what to do with kids under 18 who came into the country illegally with their parents when young. They didn't ask to be illegal. It wasn't their choice. A humane decision has to be made. Do you send them back to a country where they possibly don't speak the language and have never been to?
                      "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Securing the borders isn't too difficult. Ridding us of the illegal alien drain isn't that much more difficult either. Simply remove what they came for. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        The unofficial "smoke 'em out" policy won't remove all illegal immigrants and it won't be quick in any case. It could takes years to accomplish.

                        You can't apply absolute black and white policy. There are grey areas such as what to do with kids under 18 who came into the country illegally with their parents when young. They didn't ask to be illegal. It wasn't their choice. A humane decision has to be made. Do you send them back to a country where they possibly don't speak the language and have never been to? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Hi, Brit. Then and now, can you think of anything they say that's close to being "official?"

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                        • #13
                          New Blog Challenges Anti-Immigrant Blogosphere

                          "The current climate of undeterred online, immigrant-bashing is about to be faced with a force to contend with. The Immigration Policy Center (IPC) is pleased to announce the launching of its new blog, Immigration Impact (www.ImmigrationImpact.com). Immigration Impact was developed to help reshape the immigration debate in a way that will bring us closer to comprehensive immigration reform. The blog will provide thoughtful and rapid-response commentaries and insights on the latest news and events so that you can be up-to-date with what's going on with the immigration debate." [www.bibdaily.com]


                          Data Shows Americans Support CIR, Discredits Restrictionist’s Claims

                          By Michele Waslin

                          "Immigration restrictionists don’t know what to do with themselves. First off, none of the vehemently anti-immigrant candidates for president got their party’s nomination (or a great deal of public support), and both presidential candidates agreed on the need for comprehensive immigration reform – including a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Restrictionist poster child Lou Barletta failed to win his election for Congress in Pennsylvania and Libby Dole in North Carolina along with other enforcement-only candidates across the country lost to candidates who supported enforcement PLUS some kind of immigration reform. ..."

                          More here: http://immigrationimpact.com/2...sts-claims/#more-498

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                          • #14
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hi, Brit. Then and now, can you think of anything they say that's close to being "official?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I guess the closest to it would be the local State/town laws some have adopted, such as OK State, Prince William Co, VA and Hazelton, PA.

                            I doubt these laws will survive much longer. I'm sure they'll end up being overturned or made obsolete once Federal CIR is enacted.
                            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                            • #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JCWin:
                              Not all illegal immigrants are criminals and not all legal immigrants are not criminals. In fact a lot of illegal immigrants contribute more to this country than legal immigrants. But of course some people will say, illegal is illegal... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Definitely Pinoy!!!!
                              USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

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