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    I only check in once in a while to see whats happening, Its been over a week and some of my posts have stayed without response. Hmmm??? Is ILW failing??? I am not seeing anything really new after many days, I guess many do see that we are suffering from neglect in this country, And Our current administration somehow has not really held up to its initial Promise. So tricky how things work in the higher places. One might think ohhh yes I am voting for him he understands me. We all get screwed in our lives at one point or another. The only problem this time is We ALL got Screwed!!!
    USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

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    Failing is a matter of perspective. The numbers of those opining stories of woe commingled with acts of depravity have dwindled. Perhaps Obama's tactics of fool me twice have worked. Repeatedly people bought promises of forgiveness and acceptance only to be cuffed, snuffed, and escorted out the back door. Chicago politics has its place after all.
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    • #3
      The discussion board is certainly less entertaining without the old crowd. What was that German girl's name? So long ago... But it is good to not hear much from no brain Brit.

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      • #4
        It seems everyone is hanging out on Facebook these days...I am, when I am not working, most of the time. Facebook is the gathering place of the world and it sometimes reminds me of that one line in the Batman Forever Movie, when Batman says: Power is a machine...the Riddler invented a device to control everyone's mind. That machine to me is Facebook!

        Anyway, we can gather everybody again and reinvent the party. I see many of the old crowd still around.

        Cheerio!
        “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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        • #5
          Hi MIR, how's it going? I see you got drawn into the political seesaw.
          “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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          • #6
            I'd be careful using facebook. If the stories are true, and there isn't much to suppose otherwise. They've got an agreement with uncle bama granting complete government access to collect and store pictures and text. The presumption should be that someone in one of those alphabet soup government agencies is eavesdropping and recording everything. Same goes for twitter and the others.

            We're being driven into virtual realities managed by government. Notice how texting, posting, tweeting, e-mail, etc has become so popular and the number of actual voice conversations has dwindled. It's to dehumanize interaction making everyone a character of one sort or another. At minimum, it births a permissive attitude amongst users to behave less civil by there not being a face and voice to interact with. An icon can be trounced with impunity.

            If an entity wanting control were able to create an environment where the subjects could be manipulated into avoiding human contact with each other they would instantly employ those tactics. Why text or e-mail when a call can accomplish the task that much quicker. Aren't we striving for get it done quicker? How many people can type faster than they can speak? By all accounts this back stepping in communication is promoted by fear. People avoid making a phone call because of some perceived discomfort. One that can't be identified which should create a suspicion of it's source and motive.

            Sound paranoid? Run a google search on the phrase, 'Is facebook sending my pictures to the government'. It's not just them, they are all doing it including google who stores all search attempts tied to your IP address which is also stored and referenced to you. Even if you have dynamic IP the DNS servers out there record the time you use an IP to reference everything you do while using it.

            This is right up there with the leaked info on the IRS antagonizing right wing parties. Funny how the head of that department took the 5th when in front of congress a few days ago. Sounds like election tampering to me. There should be no option to take the 5th when the public trust has been violated. Where did the order originate? I think we already know. If it were some low level bureaucrat with an agenda they would have been named and flogged by now. Lips are being zipped and lawyers are being hired which tells me the fault is high and mighty. Obama may end up with a legacy after all and the Nixon memory may have someone to share a common attribute with.

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            • #7
              Yep i Can surely see.

              Yep i Can surely see. Hope all is well with you and yours Proud.
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              • #8
                A person's mom would want to see a photo. I don't think the government should take it upon themselves to go on these data witch hunts greedily snatching up everything in sight. The only reason for it is to chip away at our privacy and make it that much easier to locate anyone they want when they want. An auspicious act for one goal. Greater control.

                Some might argue that if there is nothing to hide, why worry. However, if the government works for us, why are they doing it? It's like the maid going through your mail and recording who sends you letters.
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                • #9
                  The government had access to our information long before social media was born. They have our pictures from driver's licenses, passports, work ids, etc. They have our location and some other information from the census. If you're not doing anything illegal on FB, you shouldn't worry about the government looking over your shoulder - at least I don't. If they care that I Like cute pictures of babies and puppies, that's their problem, lol.

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                  • #10
                    Davdah, I said that in jest about FB. I am with Proud...there is nothing to be afraid of when it comes to the government. I like the government...always have. FB is privately held and is as far as I see it the Poster Boy of capitalism galore. Our information was, as Proud stated known to many government agencies before FB came along. As long as you have nothing to hide, there is no problem. Please do not call the President any names in my presence...it makes me angry.

                    I was looking at something outside of Facebook. I actually went to the Sears website to look at some product Sears offers. I closed the website and low and behold the next day Sears advertises that very same product I was looking at in my Facebook column. So, Davdah...it's not the government that is haunting you but the private industry. So be careful!
                    Last edited by Kollerkrot; 05-27-2013, 10:57 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Private industry is notorious for selling things like your e-mail or items you click on to someone else. Sears is one of them. I went to buy a battery there about 6 months ago and they refused to sell it to me unless I gave them my e-mail. Needless to say, I raised a lot of hell over that. But, the important difference is this. An express interaction had to take place in order for them to get it. They had to specifically ask me for my email. I got to ask them what they wanted it for. They in turn couldn't tell me. The clerks there are programmed to ask for it but aren't told what it's going to be used for. Same goes for the many events like that asking for one or two items. The amount of info asked for is usually quite small with you given the opportunity to respond to each request. There isn't a mile of ambiguous fine print to read through and millions of purposes and requests made. If it be for commercial use, selling me junk I don't need. I can forgive it, most of the time. That's the extent of the intent, selling something. With the government though, it's all about grabbing more of your freedom. That I find intolerable.

                      In the case of FB or the others, there is so much going on that what you initially agreed to or thought you were using it for gets lost in the haze.

                      However, the adage of nothing to hide justifying full exposure is in direct conflict with the constitution. The better question is, if I'm not a suspect, why do they need to know? FB isn't exactly the poster boy of true capitalism. Some of the ethics employed to make it what it is gives arguments to those on the far left against it.

                      Be as it may, their defense is probably some obscure and long winded privacy statement they know no one will ever read. Who does. You should. Especially the section called, "Responding to legal requests and preventing harm". It takes a few clicks to find it because it is buried. But, in that little gem is hidden the language that absolves them of any guilt (liability) for doing it. Phrase like, "in good faith" , "we believe", "By law" (patriot act) are the tell tale signs it's being shipped off to the government en mas. Whether it be by force or not is debatable. If big brother knocks on your door it's difficult to tell them no when they have a whole slew of 3 letter+ agencies ready, willing, and able to make your business life a living hell if you don't capitulate to their ever expanding need to usurp our rights.

                      PUSC, wouldn't it be so much better to have continual updates on everyone's appearance and location versus waiting for the next time a visit is made to the DMV? That is, if you want to keep tabs on people? Sure seems that way to me.
                      Last edited by davdah; 05-27-2013, 03:41 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Read the whole thing, including the links to other sections. Look for references to government, law, things like that. It's there. If all you're doing is posting pictures and sharing gossip with your buds, why is there a need to have a mile long privacy statement and references to government intervention and access?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by davdah View Post
                          Private industry is notorious for selling things like your e-mail or items you click on to someone else. Sears is one of them. I went to buy a battery there about 6 months ago and they refused to sell it to me unless I gave them my e-mail. Needless to say, I raised a lot of hell over that. But, the important difference is this. An express interaction had to take place in order for them to get it. They had to specifically ask me for my email. I got to ask them what they wanted it for. They in turn couldn't tell me. The clerks there are programmed to ask for it but aren't told what it's going to be used for. Same goes for the many events like that asking for one or two items. The amount of info asked for is usually quite small with you given the opportunity to respond to each request. There isn't a mile of ambiguous fine print to read through and millions of purposes and requests made. If it be for commercial use, selling me junk I don't need. I can forgive it, most of the time. That's the extent of the intent, selling something. With the government though, it's all about grabbing more of your freedom. That I find intolerable.

                          In the case of FB or the others, there is so much going on that what you initially agreed to or thought you were using it for gets lost in the haze.

                          However, the adage of nothing to hide justifying full exposure is in direct conflict with the constitution. The better question is, if I'm not a suspect, why do they need to know? FB isn't exactly the poster boy of true capitalism. Some of the ethics employed to make it what it is gives arguments to those on the far left against it.

                          Be as it may, their defense is probably some obscure and long winded privacy statement they know no one will ever read. Who does. You should. Especially the section called, "Responding to legal requests and preventing harm". It takes a few clicks to find it because it is buried. But, in that little gem is hidden the language that absolves them of any guilt (liability) for doing it. Phrase like, "in good faith" , "we believe", "By law" (patriot act) are the tell tale signs it's being shipped off to the government en mas. Whether it be by force or not is debatable. If big brother knocks on your door it's difficult to tell them no when they have a whole slew of 3 letter+ agencies ready, willing, and able to make your business life a living hell if you don't capitulate to their ever expanding need to usurp our rights.

                          PUSC, wouldn't it be so much better to have continual updates on everyone's appearance and location versus waiting for the next time a visit is made to the DMV? That is, if you want to keep tabs on people? Sure seems that way to me.
                          I could care less if they know my appearance and location, Davdah. I don't do anything wrong on FB or anything else for that matter. If they have time to keep tabs on me, they're wasting their time.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by davdah View Post
                            Read the whole thing, including the links to other sections. Look for references to government, law, things like that. It's there. If all you're doing is posting pictures and sharing gossip with your buds, why is there a need to have a mile long privacy statement and references to government intervention and access?
                            I don't think I ever read the whole privacy statement on FB, but I think I know why it's there and what it is for. The problem nowadays is that we live in a world where people think, for instance the US or other governments are the enemy, or they imagine people with other political or social affiliations as their enemy and get so worked up about it that the free speech and voicing opinions aren't enough for them anymore and they have to resort to other means. We know how that goes, right? The US government has an obligation to protect its people from such lunatics and I am in agreement. While we can unsubscribe from the harassment of the private industries now, if there won't be any terror attacks, I am sure the government will ease whatever surveillance there is now in the future also, because I don't think the government likes to do that, but it has no other immediate option.
                            “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                            • #15
                              This is odd footing I find myself being in league with a usual adversary. But, iperson made a strong point a post back concerning our near combative relationship we have with government. To exemplify this fact in a way most on this site can identify with, examine the immigration process. If you're hailed into immigration court you're faced with a government hired attorney. Their single aim is to have you deported. Their every maneuver is to narrow your claim and eclipse any hope of status with a swift removal. It is by definition a war-like contest which illustrates the nature of the relationship. We are constantly at odds with government. Is it asking too much to objectively view the facts without a presumption of guilt?

                              FB has and is being used as an evidence source against intending immigrants. It is well within reason to assume this data mining isn't limited to immediate lawbreakers. Even if no allegations exist at the moment, you can bet those records will be vigorously sifted through to build a case against you when the time and opportunity presents itself.

                              Koller, don't think for one moment the government has any intention of relaxing its grip on its new found right to exploit our privacy. Just as rare would be a new tax someday being removed. Once in place, both are usually driven toward expansion.

                              Maybe there is some truth to the recent interpretation of Revelations. A mark being required to buy, sell, or do just about anything. With that mark comes the ability to track our every move. We're pretty close to it. Every purchase you make with your debit or credit card is logged and stored. Surely a copy is sent to a D.C. data center. Cameras are popping up on just about every corner now. It's all for our own good. So says those who want to watch what you do.
                              Last edited by davdah; 05-28-2013, 06:58 PM.
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