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    WASHINGTON (AFP) - A senior Republican lawmaker said that deteriorating security in Iraq may force the United States to reintroduce the military draft.

    "There's not an American ... that doesn't understand what we are engaged in today and what the prospects are for the future," Senator Chuck Hagel told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on post-occupation Iraq.

    "Why shouldn't we ask all of our citizens to bear some responsibility and pay some price?" Hagel said, arguing that restoring compulsory military service would force "our citizens to understand the intensity and depth of challenges we face."

    The Nebraska Republican added that a draft, which was ended in the early 1970s, would spread the burden of military service in Iraq more equitably among various social strata.

    "Those who are serving today and dying today are the middle class and lower middle class," he observed.

    The call to consider a imposing a draft comes just days after the Pentagon (news - web sites) moved to extend the missions of some 20,000 of the 135,000 US troops in Iraq.

    Some critics of the US-led occupation complain that military planners used too few troops to subdue Iraq, and insist that more military muscle will be needed to restore order.

    The US-led military coalition was put under further strain by the announcement this week by coalition members Spain and Honduras that they would withdraw their military contingents from Iraq.

    Meanwhile, witnesses at the hearing, including academics and former US officials, expressed concern about ongoing flareups of violence in Iraq this month -- the bloodiest yet for US troops.

    "I think it's clear that pressures in Iraq have reached the boiling point," said Samuel Berger, national security adviser during the Bill Clinton (news - web sites) administration, who called for an increase in troops there, and a "genuine, non-grudging effort to internationalize the enterprise in Iraq, both military and civilian."

    "We've got to be prepared to give up our hammerlock on decision making in exchange for genuine burden sharing."

    Richard Perle, a former White House adviser who currently serves as a fellow at a conservative think tank, advised against adding troops or extending the date of handover of Iraqi sovereignty beyond the currently-set June 30 date.

    "It is essential that we not delay the handover of sovereignty set for the end of June, even if there is continuing violence by those who know they have no place in a decent, democratic Iraq," he said.

    Perle also warned against entrusting the United Nations (news - web sites) with the post-occupation administration of Iraq, saying UN involvement should be kept at "an absolute minimum."

    "A large UN contingent in Iraq ... would do more harm than good," Perle said.

    "It would discourage the assumption of sovereignty by Iraqis themselves. It would drain resources urgently needed for the development of Iraq's economy," Perle said.

    A senior Democrat meanwhile, lashed out at the White House for failing to send a top administration official to appear before the panel.

    "I think it is outrageous that the administration has not provided every witness we've asked for," said Senator Joseph Biden, the highest-ranking Democrat on the committee.

    "The fact that they are not prepared to send a witness means that they are either totally incompetent and they don't have anything to tell us ... or they're refusing to allow us to fulfill our constitutional responsibility" of congressional oversight, Biden said.

    The committee's Republican chairman, Richard Lugar, also slammed the White House for "inadequate planning and communication related to Iraq."



    Guess who is going to Jail if his named is called up? ..... ME!

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    Update :

    WASHINGTON (AFP) - A senior Republican lawmaker said that deteriorating security in Iraq may force the United States to reintroduce the military draft.

    "There's not an American ... that doesn't understand what we are engaged in today and what the prospects are for the future," Senator Chuck Hagel told a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on post-occupation Iraq.

    "Why shouldn't we ask all of our citizens to bear some responsibility and pay some price?" Hagel said, arguing that restoring compulsory military service would force "our citizens to understand the intensity and depth of challenges we face."

    The Nebraska Republican added that a draft, which was ended in the early 1970s, would spread the burden of military service in Iraq more equitably among various social strata.

    "Those who are serving today and dying today are the middle class and lower middle class," he observed.

    The call to consider a imposing a draft comes just days after the Pentagon (news - web sites) moved to extend the missions of some 20,000 of the 135,000 US troops in Iraq.

    Some critics of the US-led occupation complain that military planners used too few troops to subdue Iraq, and insist that more military muscle will be needed to restore order.

    The US-led military coalition was put under further strain by the announcement this week by coalition members Spain and Honduras that they would withdraw their military contingents from Iraq.

    Meanwhile, witnesses at the hearing, including academics and former US officials, expressed concern about ongoing flareups of violence in Iraq this month -- the bloodiest yet for US troops.

    "I think it's clear that pressures in Iraq have reached the boiling point," said Samuel Berger, national security adviser during the Bill Clinton (news - web sites) administration, who called for an increase in troops there, and a "genuine, non-grudging effort to internationalize the enterprise in Iraq, both military and civilian."

    "We've got to be prepared to give up our hammerlock on decision making in exchange for genuine burden sharing."

    Richard Perle, a former White House adviser who currently serves as a fellow at a conservative think tank, advised against adding troops or extending the date of handover of Iraqi sovereignty beyond the currently-set June 30 date.

    "It is essential that we not delay the handover of sovereignty set for the end of June, even if there is continuing violence by those who know they have no place in a decent, democratic Iraq," he said.

    Perle also warned against entrusting the United Nations (news - web sites) with the post-occupation administration of Iraq, saying UN involvement should be kept at "an absolute minimum."

    "A large UN contingent in Iraq ... would do more harm than good," Perle said.

    "It would discourage the assumption of sovereignty by Iraqis themselves. It would drain resources urgently needed for the development of Iraq's economy," Perle said.

    A senior Democrat meanwhile, lashed out at the White House for failing to send a top administration official to appear before the panel.

    "I think it is outrageous that the administration has not provided every witness we've asked for," said Senator Joseph Biden, the highest-ranking Democrat on the committee.

    "The fact that they are not prepared to send a witness means that they are either totally incompetent and they don't have anything to tell us ... or they're refusing to allow us to fulfill our constitutional responsibility" of congressional oversight, Biden said.

    The committee's Republican chairman, Richard Lugar, also slammed the White House for "inadequate planning and communication related to Iraq."



    Guess who is going to Jail if his named is called up? ..... ME!

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    • #3
      That is just political rhetoric and postering.

      No way is ANY gov't going to institute the draft in an election year.

      It is not going to happen!

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      • #4
        This a consideration IF Bush wins, not before.

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        • #5
          all the more reason to vote against Bush... just in case!

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          • #6
            Senator Hagel is simply trying to gain attention and exposure.

            It is not part of a plan to be implemented if (when) Bush wins. It is not a part of anybody's plan at all. Like I said before - it is simple political rhetoric. Nothing more.

            ARQU

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            • #7
              Spouse - And you would leave the protection of the US and all of us to Kerry and his band of left-wing pacifist extremists? He is the only guy that I know that can make Ted Kennedy look like a moderate!

              Yikes!!!!

              ARQU

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              • #8
                Do I prefer peace to war? YES

                Do I prefer love to hate? YES

                Do I prefer tolerance to prejudice? YES

                Do I prefer reality to priviledge? YES

                Do I prefer Kerry to Bush? YES

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                • #9
                  Wanna end illegal immigratin?

                  Instill a draft where ALIENS get drafted first. And USC's get the enjoyment of not having to get drafted. Why should USC's be forced, but not immigrants?

                  Watch all the mexicans run back to mexico. The draft and WWI, II is what kept mexicans in mexico for most of last century.

                  -= nav =-

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                  • #10
                    Do you prefer:

                    Rape rooms to Freedom?
                    Genecide to Survival?
                    Hatred to Acceptance?
                    Dictators to Elected Gov'ts?
                    Death to Life?

                    Don't forget that it was not the USA who started the recent violence:
                    Afganistan = WTC attack...
                    Iraq = Attack on Kuwait 10 yrs ago and refusal to abide by terms at end of hositilies. Oh yes - murder of thousands of Iraqi Kurds... And down-right refusal to cooperate with 14 UN resolutions...

                    I assume you think the US should just let terrorists and others who spread their hatred and propoganda continue to build up strength so they can get some WMD or other such stuff.... After all - we wouldn't want to p.i.s.s. off these murderous thugs - after all they might get offended... Spouse - you and those who really don't understand what is at stake here really scare me...

                    People like you caused the US to drag its feet in the late 1930's because they didn't want to annoy Hitler... We could have saved millions of lives if he had been told to get the FOCK. out of Poland...

                    I am all for peace - but not at the price of my freedom and my son's life. I was in NYC on Sept 11 and watched the towers fall - I think Bush has kicked A.S.S. since then an I SAY THAT IS GREAT!!!! Now if we would just fix Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Egypt - the world might actually be a safe place once again...

                    If Kerry wins - I am actually going to leave. I think that if that is the case, the USA WILL be attacked within 10 mos - this time killing tens of thousands - maybe even more...

                    Now I do hate most of Bush's domestic agenda (stem cell, removal of freedom of speach (Howard Stern, etc), going after a amendment to make g.a.y. marriage unconstitutional, etc... ) However, I think the very surivival of the USA as we know it depends on strong leadership who is not afraid to stomp on those who threaten our very existance...

                    But that is just me and I have no vote anyway...

                    ARQU

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                    • #11
                      Moondin: There are thousands of non-US citizens at war for our country as we speak. And they volunteered.

                      Don't make blanket statements that are not true - immigrants realize what the US has to offer and the majority would be willing to fight for their new home...

                      Too bad many USC's don't feel that same way.

                      ARQU

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                      • #12
                        At times like this... you might see why a DRAFT is possible.

                        NBC News and news services
                        Updated: 1:22 p.m. ET April 21, 2004BASRA, Iraq - Five suicide attackers detonated simultaneous car bombs outside police buildings during rush hour Wednesday, killing 68 people, including kindergartners and middle-school girls who burned to death in their school buses. It was the bloodiest attack in the southern Iraqi city during the U.S.-led occupation.


                        Two more car bombers were captured before they could attack, Basra Gov. Wael Abdul-Latif said at a news conference, adding that he believed the al-Qaida terror network was behind the bombings.

                        Abdul-Latif said as many as 16 children and nine police officers were among the dead, although other officials said as few as five children may have been killed. About 200 people were wounded, 168 of whom were reported in critical condition, officials said.

                        "The terrorists are willing to kill as many people as they can indiscriminately," the top U.S. administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, said. "They seem to have killed quite a number of schoolchildren today in addition to policemen."

                        The police station explosions went off nearly simultaneously just after 7 a.m. (11 p.m. ET Tuesday), as many residents were headed to markets, jobs or school. An hour later, another blast targeted a police academy in a nearby town. Police Commander Mohammed Kadhim al-Ali said the cars were packed with missiles and TNT.


                        Iraqis pulled charred and torn bodies from mangled vehicles in front of the Saudia station, located by Basra's crowded main street market. A large crater, 6 feet deep and 9 feet wide, was blown in the pavement outside the station, the facade of which was heavily damaged.

                        A van carrying kindergartners and a second one carrying middle-school girls were destroyed.

                        The wounded included four British soldiers, who oversee security for southern Iraq, including the port city of Basra. British troops who tried to go to the Saudia station to help were met by angry Iraqis, who blamed the British for failing to maintain security in the city.

                        In London, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the attacks would not derail the planned handover of power to an Iraqi administration on June 30.

                        No claim of responsibility
                        No group claimed responsibility, but U.S. officials have pointed to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant who has been linked to al-Qaida, as being behind similar suicide bombings March 2 at Shiite Muslim shrines in Karbala and Baghdad, which killed at least 181 people. Ansar al-Islam, an extremist group based in the north, is suspected in the bombings in Irbil that killed 109 people Feb. 1.

                        Al-Zarqawi has outlined a plot to attack Shiite religious sites to foment civil war between Iraq's Shiite majority and its Sunni Muslim minority, according to U.S. officials, who pointed to a letter from al-Zarqawi to al-Qaida leaders that the military says it intercepted earlier this year. Basra is a mainly Shiite city.

                        The attacks came a day after mortar fire hit a prison in Baghdad, killing 22 inmates, and after Iraqi leaders named a tribunal of judges and prosecutors to try former President Saddam Hussein, placing a longtime opponent of Saddam's in the forefront of the case against him and his former Baath Party inner circle.

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                        • #13
                          Nice and peacful - right Spouse?

                          Or do you think it was the American's who set off the charges... Or even the Iraq's themselves? No way.

                          These are the same people waiting to get into the USA once Kerry gets in and pulls a 'Spain'.

                          ARQU

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                          • #14
                            There are many americans who can't wait to get their travelling abroad confidence back when Kerry wins.

                            Americans are extremely disliked overseas now... Thanks to Bush's foreign Policy.

                            Bring any DRAFT ideas is just... the DAY of Reckoning.

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                            • #15
                              Hmmmm....

                              I have spent several weeks over the last few months overseas... There is no widespread hatred of the US - at least not that I encountered... Quite the opposite really - people are scared to death of Osama and his band of thugs and are quite happy with what is going on... They just don't want to get involved - they want the heat to go to the US not them... Everyone - to a person - expressed great sympathy and sorrow over the events in NYC on Sept 11.

                              But the people I talked to are very excited about what is going on and are wondering why the US is not going after some of the other offenders....

                              You guys need to stop listening to left-wing propgandist media - you know the major networks and newspapers...

                              Ask people you know who live in Europe and I think you will be a bit surprised...

                              As you can tell - I am all for the USA taking on the initiative to rid the world of evil and anarchy. We had to save France's A.S.S. in 1941 and now it is time to save the oppressed and tortured of other countries now. Nobody else has the b.a.l.l.s to do so.

                              ARQU

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