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    Rick Klein of The Boston Globe writes today that support is building within Congress for Rep. Pence's "middle-ground approach" to immigration reform.

    Here is an excerpt from the article:

    "One such proposal -- floated by Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee -- would allow some undocumented immigrants to become guest workers, but would not give them an automatic path to citizenship. Undocumented workers would have to leave the country and apply for guest worker visas. They would also have to apply for citizenship under current rules.

    "Pence and other Republicans say they think the party can coalesce around his idea since it fulfills the president's goal of establishing a guest worker program without offering amnesty to those who entered the country illegally. The White House and Senate Republicans praised the proposal as a signal that House conservatives are willing to engage in negotiations, but emphasized that it is strictly a starting point for further talks.

    "Kingston said Pence's proposal could also include a blue-ribbon commission that would make further recommendations about the fate of undocumented immigrants who stay in the United States.

    "'We've got to consider things like this,' said Representative Bill Shuster, a Pennsylvania Republican. 'To even talk about a path to citizenship is premature until we take care of our borders.'

    "Pence's proposal, however, drew a harsh response from some hard-liners in Congress.

    "It is an amnesty with a twist: touch base [in home countries], then come back,' said Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado.

    "Sensenbrenner said a proposal such as Pence's could have merit because it does not contain a special path to citizenship.

    "'A guest worker program I think can be on the table if it does not contain an amnesty,' he said. "'I think the American public is entitled to having a vote on a compromise before the elections, so that the voters can go to the polls assessing how their representatives and senators have done on this issue before they decide who to send back.'"

    Syndicated columnist Bob Novak also sheds new details about the Congressman's plan in this column.

  • #2
    Rick Klein of The Boston Globe writes today that support is building within Congress for Rep. Pence's "middle-ground approach" to immigration reform.

    Here is an excerpt from the article:

    "One such proposal -- floated by Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee -- would allow some undocumented immigrants to become guest workers, but would not give them an automatic path to citizenship. Undocumented workers would have to leave the country and apply for guest worker visas. They would also have to apply for citizenship under current rules.

    "Pence and other Republicans say they think the party can coalesce around his idea since it fulfills the president's goal of establishing a guest worker program without offering amnesty to those who entered the country illegally. The White House and Senate Republicans praised the proposal as a signal that House conservatives are willing to engage in negotiations, but emphasized that it is strictly a starting point for further talks.

    "Kingston said Pence's proposal could also include a blue-ribbon commission that would make further recommendations about the fate of undocumented immigrants who stay in the United States.

    "'We've got to consider things like this,' said Representative Bill Shuster, a Pennsylvania Republican. 'To even talk about a path to citizenship is premature until we take care of our borders.'

    "Pence's proposal, however, drew a harsh response from some hard-liners in Congress.

    "It is an amnesty with a twist: touch base [in home countries], then come back,' said Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado.

    "Sensenbrenner said a proposal such as Pence's could have merit because it does not contain a special path to citizenship.

    "'A guest worker program I think can be on the table if it does not contain an amnesty,' he said. "'I think the American public is entitled to having a vote on a compromise before the elections, so that the voters can go to the polls assessing how their representatives and senators have done on this issue before they decide who to send back.'"

    Syndicated columnist Bob Novak also sheds new details about the Congressman's plan in this column.

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    • #3
      Except that amnesty advocates in the Senate won't buy it because it doesn't contain amnesty or a path to citizenship.

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      • #4
        there is good news and bad news about mike pence immigration bill.

        -The good news is, we will definatly have immigration bill before november that will go much further then enforcement-only...I think members of the house realize that not budging on this enforcement-only theory is childish and why even go to a senate-house hearing if you arent planning to make some compromise?...So the good news is, they want something rather then nothing whyle realizing that they will have to get off this enforcement-only thingy. You can even see by reading the article that those guys desperatly want to do something to show their constituencies..Im glad that mike pence also have a strong following of 115 members in his education commitee whatever it is, so he could push them to get off the main spirited bill.


        -Bad news is, mike pence bill is exactly what kyl-cornyn wanted all along, which is report to deport and not allowing any kind of path to eventually gain citizenship......

        i could deal with the first part that says, you have to leave before getting on a legal status, but i dont agree with no path to citizenship once i come in the legal way..what mike pence fails to reailise is after the guest worker permit expires, there is no guaranty that you will be allowed to get in again, so basicly, after 3 years of working, you have to go home with no guaranty that you will again be picked for the guest worker...this is why his bill not good enougt..


        I would agree on exiting the country to re eneter legally if the waiting time is less then a year, but once im in, i would like a path to citizenship...Something like that will be more feasible.

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        • #5
          So basically my "Fair and Simple Plan" The amnesty would be on the 3/10yr bar. go home and apply like anybody else. Hopefully the plan calls for them to wait in line behind all the others who are coming in the right way. If not this is cr*a*p. Guest worker should have no path to citizenship. Thats why it is called guest. otherwise just make a special lottery for all illegals

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          • #6
            4now- they would not wait in line once they exit because it will take forever..the ones that are waiting in lines will get in with full rights whyle the one that will exit and get in wont have permanent residency right, therefore, i dont think they will have to wait for lets say, 10 years...ill say no less then a year since they will be needed to get back in as soon as possible to get back to their jobs..if you make guest workers, at leasthe ones that were once inside, to wait behind future US permanent RESIDENTS, then it would take years, and the businesses will never sign up to this because they will have to wait for their old workers forever.

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            • #7
              And just what does the "Pence Plan" plan to do about those illegal aliens who DON'T choose to report to deport?

              Again, if there is no enforcement before any amnesty or guest worker program, we can only expect more illegal aliens, and more corruption like we have now.

              Jean--the House is more at risk by accepting a guest worker program or especially any form of amnesty. All of them are up for re-election and the voters in their districts will accept no bill before an amnesty, according to one of the articles I was reading this morning.

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              • #8
                Aliba- you seem to forget that, not passing anything will be more dangerous to them then sweeping the entire thing under the rugg....i definatly think they will never get the enforcement-only bill that they are desperatly looking for..this is why mike pence and many others are trying to make some compromises whyle still trying to look touugh..i myself think that a path to citizenship will have to be part of any deal that clear congress.

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                • #9
                  Aliba

                  R2D2
                  Report 2 Deport
                  lol

                  Jean.. If they are not going to wait in line.. then what is the point???? it would just be semantics. There is not even a"twist" just straight up amnesty. why bother with leaving the country bull*cr*ap. It should take those leaving at least a year before they can get things in motion to get back here. No one said it should be easy or accomodating for them. I mean after all they have been given an amnesty on the 3/10 yr bar, and a "chance" to be considered for the employment program.


                  Furthermore, The employers should not have problem. their positions will be filled with a "body" . shouldnt matter if old worker or new worker..... as it is "unskilled labor" right.????


                  How about this...
                  First Secure the borders.. yes Canada too.

                  Special Annual "Illegals" Lottery Program

                  500,000 winners a year.
                  Contestant/entrance application fee $ 1,000.00
                  no less than 1 million entrees for lottery to be valid for drawing.

                  Winning contestants subject to passing suitable background checks. Participants responsible for all fees/petition applications. No sponsorship necessary for participant.

                  EWI participants welcome, but subject to home country validation of identity and applicable background checks.

                  This would allow the economy to slowly accomodate the illegals into the social and financial programs without it being a massive burdon on U.S. Proceeds from the lottery will help cover expense of paperwork handling etc.

                  Will be about a 25 year assimilation. good pace. After all , its been 20 years so should be no problem.

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                  • #10
                    Did I read right?

                    Pence's bill requires every Illegal, regardless how long he/she has been in the US to leave and apply for a guestworker Visa???

                    That will never work.... On paper it might sound good, in reality not happening.

                    But, it is a path to a compromise...*G*

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                    • #11
                      Here is Mike Pence plan:

                      Friday, May 26, 2006

                      Facts about Congressman Pence's Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act

                      On Tuesday Congressman Pence unveiled a new immigration proposal, entitled the Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act, in a speech at the Heritage Foundation in Washington D.C.

                      The following is a fact sheet about the Congressman's plan, which will be introduced in the House sometime in the next few weeks.


                      The bill follows a four-step process. First, it secures America's border. Second, it does not provide any form of amnesty to illegal aliens. Third, it puts in place a guest worker program, without amnesty, that will efficiently provide American employers with willing guest workers who come to America legally. Finally, it imposes tough employer sanctions in order to ensure a full partnership between American business and the American government in the enforcement of our laws on immigration and guest workers.
                      The border security and employment verification and enforcement provisions of the bill are substantially identical to H.R. 4437, which passed the House of Representatives on December 15, 2005 by a vote of 239 to 182. The House-passed bill has been hailed as a major legislative triumph for the protection of America's borders.
                      This bill eliminates the amnest issue from the debate. The twelve million illegal aliens currently estimated to be in the U.S. will be required to leave the U.S. in order to participate in the guest worker program, and they will not be provided with a path to citizenship. Illegal behavior will not be forgiven or rewarded.
                      The bill allows guest workers to come into America legally to work for an initial period of up to two years. After taking and passing an English class, the guest worker could receive visa renewals to stay for an additional four years. Guest workers will not be provided with a path to citizenship, although guest workers will not be precluded from applying for naturalization under America's citizenship laws. If a guest worker applies for citizenship, he or she will be permitted to renew their guest worker visa during that process. Otherwise, applying for citizenship is a process entirely separate from coming to America for employment as a guest worker.
                      The bill sets forth a guest worker program that will work. It harnesses the power of the private market instead of relying on a failed government bureaucracy. Private worker placement agencies will be licensed to match willing guest workers with jobs in America. The private agencies will process the guest workers and collaborate with the FBI and Homeland Security to have background checks done on each guest worker. In one week or less, guest workers will have their applications processed, background checks performed, visas issued and be on the road to a job in America.
                      The number of guest workers will be limited. However, during the first three years of the program, the limit will be set by the private market and the needs of American employers. After three years, a limit on the annual number of visas will be determined by the Department of Labor, and it will be strictly enforced. Three years allows enough time for the illegal aliens in America to self-deport and make themselves legal workers. After that time, it is reasonable and appropriate to place a limit on the number of guest workers we invite into our country.
                      American employers will be subject to the employment verification system set forth in H.R. 4437. Therefore, employers will have a great incentive to use the guest worker program to fill employment needs. Also, with the implementation of the verification system, the job market for illegal aliens will dry up. With private agencies operating the guest worker program, it will be nimble and flexible enough to meet the needs of employers and guest workers. Therefore, illegal aliens will want to register with the private agencies because it will be the only way to get a temporary job in America. For this reason, illegal aliens in America will be motivated to self-deport so that they can come back legally.
                      A key component to the guest worker program is that the visas will be issued only outside of the U.S. All illegal aliens in America will have to leave the country in order to come back as a guest worker. Before being granted the visa or any renewals of the visa, the guest worker must be fingerprinted and pass a background check and health screening.
                      The visa will be in the form of a secure wallet-sized card which will contain electronic information including the location, employer and job the guest worker is coming to America for, as well as personal and biometric information about the guest worker. Also, U.S. employers will be required to verify the validity of the card held by each of their guest workers. The hiring of illegal aliens who did not come through the guest worker program will be subject to stiff penalties through the employment verification system. If a guest worker quits his or her job, commits a crime or otherwise disappears, then the visa card will be electronically cancelled and he or she will not be able to get another job, except if allowed by acting through the program.
                      Before posting a job opening with an agency, U.S. employers will be required to attest to prior attempts to fill the jobs with U.S. citizens. U.S. employers will pay taxes on the guest workers and comply with all U.S. employment laws. Guest workers will be permitted the ability to leave an employer and enter into new employment so that the guest workers will not be abused by employers
                      This plan is viable and will succeed. Illegal aliens currently in the U.S. will have a strong incentive to leave the country and participate in the guest worker program because the guest worker visa cards will be distributed only outside of the U.S. and the guest worker program, as administered by private agencies rather than a government bureaucracy, will be efficient and stable. In a short amount of time, an illegal alien will be able to return home and obtain a guest worker visa allowing for legal entry into the U.S. workforce. Employers in the U.S. for the first time will have the ability to hire legal guest workers through an efficient process to fill jobs that they cannot fill with American workers. Employers who do not participate in the guest worker program and hire illegal aliens will face stiff penalties.

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                      • #12
                        Pence has the right idea. Fair and Simple.
                        Not unrealistic for illegals Take it or leave it.It is not too much to ask .

                        Boyan.. I dont see the 3/10yrs bar issue officially addressed here. That is a "form "of amnesty if it is being removed. and a very generous one if I may add. The fact of this type of "forgiveness is humanitarian in itself.


                        The following is not good:

                        Guest workers will be permitted the ability to leave an employer and enter into new employment so that the guest workers will not be abused by employers

                        I see this option abusing the employer by the guest workers. What are the details on how and when a guest worker should be able to leave?

                        Who is responsible for " housing" the guest worker?

                        The employer pays a pretty penny to get a H2e and they generally get screwed when the "worker takes off" to somewhere else. Nobody reimburses the employer . How do they propose to protect the employer from "fraud"/unethical behavior on behalf of the guest worker.

                        Also, the private agency idea for processing is BAAAAAD idea. Payoffs/graft/fraud. and this 1 week processing c*r*ap. When was a background check ever done in 1 week. get with reality. Only a payoff could produce those kind of results.

                        Where in the bill is the protection of US workers that those jobs in fact were advertised to be filled. and What type of jobs are being filled. will it be just agricultural or wil they be opening up construction blan blah. u.s. workers will want to know.

                        iperson says:
                        "If this version of the bill passes, I wish every immigrant in this country, whether legal or illegal, leaves the country and builds a better society in the European Union"

                        Oh yes.. We see how Italy and France handle illegal immigration. it more or less.. "grand opening..grand closing. all in same day. u r on a plane back to where you came from. Look at Frances illegal problem and see how the illegals have gotten out of control and demanding.

                        Superior Class and slaves Get a grip girlie. There will always be different forms of workers. white collar, blue collar, unskilled labors. its what makes the world go round. "bill creates a two tiered society" my donkey. please.

                        No shoulders to carry america? Get that dirt off your shoulders.

                        "bill wont pass in a modern world with human rights protection laws" ???? loooooooool. what and who are we protecting and from what. loool

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                        • #13
                          Ok 4now, I knew not to reason with you because you obviously are a racist prejudiced person.
                          I thought that racism was eradicated after slavery was abolished- boy was I wrong..
                          And I never thought I'd speak with one.
                          Hmmmm, just happen to have a bottle of Clairol Platinum Blonde highlights in the house. I can give it to you for your "touch up". Oh silly me.. you dont need that. u have got to be natural!



                          I thought that racism was eradicated after slavery was abolished- boy was I wrong..

                          I thought that racism was eradicated after slavery was abolished- boy was I wrong..

                          I thought that racism was eradicated after slavery was abolished- boy was I wrong..

                          boy was I wrong..
                          boy was I wrong..
                          hellllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooo anybody home OMG

                          Slavery 101

                          Slavery was abolished I believe in the 1800s.

                          Slavery abolished =RAcisim "E"radicated?... ?


                          Then How come there had to be a civil rights bill in the 1960's.

                          Then affirmative action in the 1970's

                          Racisism continues and lives on. sadly enough. Racism is a equal opportunity banger. Illegal and racism are not related.

                          I have old chinese proverb that you may find helpful when answering any more posts.

                          "better to be silent and thought a fool than to open mouth and confirm it."

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                          • #14
                            I have a better plan....pass a law that says something like the following: one year from (the date of the passage of said law) every illegal has to SELF DEPORT, at their own expense. They "check in" with a local DHS office before 'checking out'....they pay a penalty of TWO YEARS of their time outside the US...no silly $2000 fine which is meaningless.
                            After the 2 years, THEN they can apply for (and must qualify under our laws for..) guest worker visas or marriage visas or whatever.
                            Those who don't take the year to make a responsible decision become deportable felons on day 366, subject to immediate arrest and immediate deportation WITHOUT EXCEPTION, even if they encounter so much as a meter maid.
                            Criminal aliens (those have spent their illegal moments in the US robbing banks, stealing cars or who just committed fraud to get here) are just plain gone....who needs 'em? No phony marriages to local village idiots to get a waiver or a green card.....sorry....you get nothing but a free ticket home and you are NOT coming back, EVER. If you show your irresponsible face in our country afterwards, you get to spend ten fun filled years in a prison camp, cleaning up highways or making license plates or whatever (but not watching TV all day) and after the ten years is up, a free ride back to your own miserable country. Don't ask what happens if you try to return a second time....

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                            • #15
                              Guest worker program w/o path citizenship will work. Most of the illegals aliens don't need citizenship.. they only want the money then send it back to their home country.

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