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    Thanks again to all who helped me with my reentry permit question.
    I am in the very early stages of considering US citizenship. However, I do not want to lose my French citizenship. I love the US, but I also love the country where I was born and raised... Under which circumstances can someone be a dual citizen? Is this only for children of parents with different citizenships or is this something I could get too?

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    Thanks again to all who helped me with my reentry permit question.
    I am in the very early stages of considering US citizenship. However, I do not want to lose my French citizenship. I love the US, but I also love the country where I was born and raised... Under which circumstances can someone be a dual citizen? Is this only for children of parents with different citizenships or is this something I could get too?

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    • #3
      According to what I have read, when you take the oath ceremony for US Citizenship, they will ask you to denounce any allegence to other countries; however, the US does recognize dual citizenship. I believe you need to check into the dual citizenship rules for France. Do they allow it? Do you need to file tax returns to maintain citizenship in France? Those are some questions you need to have answered.

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      • #4
        Yes u can have dual citizenship if u r from France.

        DUAL CITIZENSHIP: RECOGNIZED.
        LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP: Final authority for loss of citizenship lies with the French government.
         VOLUNTARY: Contact the French Embassy for details and proper paperwork.
         INVOLUNTARY: The following is grounds for involuntary loss of French citizenship: Person
        serves in a foreign military or civil service and has not complied with French orders to leave
        such service.
        ANY QUESTIONS concerning citizenship, or requests for renunciation of citizenship, should be
        directed to the address below:
        Embassy of France
        Consular Office
        4101 Reservoir Rd., NW
        Washington, DC 20007-2185
        Embassy Telephone: 202-944-6000
        Consular Telephone: 202-944-6195
        Fax: 202-944-6148
        www.france-consulat.org
        www.info-france-usa.org
        www.france.org

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        • #5
          Yes you can have dual citizenship if you are French.
          Some countries don't allow it however, so each individual needs to check with their country first.

          The US don't acutally recognize it as such, but they do allow it.
          Like UK, our countries allow it and don't ask you to give it up.

          Now when you travel, you must take both passports with you( once you have both), as they may ask you if you own both.
          Lots of people tend to use say the French passport when visiting France, and then the US one returning to the US, to get them through immigration quicker.
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          • #6
            Thank you! This is really useful!

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            • #7
              GreenCard 77,

              never ever give up you french citizenship.For more than one reason.You might need to go back to France for medical treatment or other serious surgery...so you are always better off financially going back to your original country for that as a citizen.

              I work in the medical field and I am also from europe,but not a U.S. citizen yet.
              But for just that reason,until the U.S. will have the same univeral health care as most european countries do.I will also keep my citizenship next to the U.S. one.

              You are one of those lucky european ones who can do that.Because France and some other countries allow you to have 2 citizenship.
              For an example.Germany does not allow their citizen to have 2 citizenship.Thats why alot of germans living in the U.S. are often life tme greencard holders.Because in case they neef to return to germany for other reasons..

              Just remember,to be allowed to keep 2 citizenship,has not only to do,in what countries citizenship u wanna commit to,it also has to do,if your original country even allowed 2 citizenships.
              But France does,and the U.S. as well...so you are good.

              The united states allows you to keep your originally citizenship,besides the fact you promise and swear you will defand this from foreign and domestic enemies.

              But bottom line, no worries,you can become a U.S. citizen and keep you french citizenship.

              That reminds me,this guy who was patient in our hospital,his daughter needed a transplant,i am not sure anymore what kind,but the insurance company agreed only pay half of it,and half of it wouldhave been over 38 grand.Which amazingly high...long story short,the guy had a dual citizenship,through his wife,which is from England...they decided to fly to england and have the surgery basically for free.Without paying a penny.

              I personally needed a crown,2 crowns...and my insurance company onpy covers on crowns, 40% so the total bill still would have been for me $1800,not including x rays etc...

              I flew to europe for $620 roundtrip...had my teeth fixed,for free...had a nice 10 day vacation and came back and safed money lol
              My co workers could not believe it.

              My responds was "I am not du.m.b."

              a little off topic, but those are one of the reasons u do not wanna give up your citizenship,unless you are from a country that does not have a human right social system,that does not put profit on health care.

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              • #8
                1. It's true, anything from minor to mortal illness can be treated for free in Europe.
                But does one need to hold one of EU Citizenships to qualify?
                My understanding is that your medical treatment would be free even if you were from abroad and with no coverage (it's not an equivalent of "Emergency Treatment" as we know it; there are no outstanding bills thereafter and so on).
                This is what I heard on Public Broadcast Radio (they had comparative report about HC in various countries).


                2. Having two Citizenships simultaneously creates conflict of interest, even if both countries allow it.
                How do you renounce your original citizenship yet still keep it?
                That seems to be a logical fallacy, even though the law in both countries may allow it so.



                3. In the final analysis the OP has to decide what she wants to do.
                The US won't hold it against her if she keeps her French Citizenship, neither will France (since they recognize dual citizenship).
                So she has to decide what she wants to do.

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                • #9
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
                  Yes emergency treatment is free in Europe, and plenty of other treatments.
                  Tooth extractions and root canals are free even in private dentist offices.
                  Heart surgery in the US cost 70.000 while in India only 7.000, with as much educated and professional surgery doctors.
                  Only in America health SERVICE is not a service, it's a business.
                  What a shame. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Another excuse to have dual citizenship: I am from England, and have paid into Social Security for quite a number of years, when you do this you are entitled to a Pension once reaching the age of 65, if you can keep up your social security payments of about 200 pounds per year (average) you will still be able to claim the pension.

                  Dentistry in England is only free if you are a student or under 16 or are on welfare.

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                  • #10
                    Jake,
                    you are right,but remember,United States is the ONLY nation,that puts profit on poeples health.
                    And if you deny service,or give less treatment its better for them.
                    Unlike most european countries,who see health care as a human right,and its a priority to make sure everyone is covered to take care of the ones who are in need and care for the sick and old....
                    As far U.S. health care system goes,its the sh.it.tiest system in the industrialist western world.
                    I mean i even work in the medical field aka hospital.I see this every day....
                    and if anyone watched "Michael Moore's" Sicko knows how it is.

                    Most Americans who are against universal health care or socialist health care system are the same ones who have no education and first hand knowledge how those countries really work and believe the dumb ****.This government tells them.

                    People ask me after they saw "SICKO" is it really like that??? And I say,its even better..

                    Sure european countries pay more taxes,but we all agree,payinga bit more taxes benefits all citizens.

                    I mean I can call my old dentist in europe and I could get an appointment in 3 days.If call my dentist in the US i'd be glad if i get an appointment this month..

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                    • #11
                      GreenCard77,
                      your Citizenship related question has turned into debate about global health care system
                      I certainly won't partisipate in it, but as far as dual Citizenship Q. goes read the #2 in my post, think of it and decide what you want to do.

                      Good luck

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HBKHBK:
                        Jake,
                        you are right,but remember,United States is the ONLY nation,that puts profit on poeples health.
                        And if you deny service,or give less treatment its better for them.
                        Unlike most european countries,who see health care as a human right,and its a priority to make sure everyone is covered to take care of the ones who are in need and care for the sick and old....
                        As far U.S. health care system goes,its the sh.it.tiest system in the industrialist western world.
                        I mean i even work in the medical field aka hospital.I see this every day....
                        and if anyone watched "Michael Moore's" Sicko knows how it is.

                        Most Americans who are against universal health care or socialist health care system are the same ones who have no education and first hand knowledge how those countries really work and believe the dumb ****.This government tells them.

                        People ask me after they saw "SICKO" is it really like that??? And I say,its even better..

                        Sure european countries pay more taxes,but we all agree,payinga bit more taxes benefits all citizens.

                        I mean I can call my old dentist in europe and I could get an appointment in 3 days.If call my dentist in the US i'd be glad if i get an appointment this month.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        To HBKHBK.

                        It is a shame America does not have a social Security like ours, they are missing out on an awful lot, yes we pay taxes to Inland Revenue (UK version of IRS) but our taxes are about the same at around 25%, we also pay into Social Security, an average of 25 pound per month, the downfull is the VAT at 17.5% (UK version of State Tax) but, we can get to see a Doctor for Free, we can go to Hospital for Free, our prescriptions cost around 10 pounds, whether there is one medication or a dozen on the prescription, Since being in the States, I have seen lots of differences, but which Supermaket in the UK can you go to find a nice juicy sirlion steak for under 3 pounds, you cant. but then again I can't find any decent sausages, hahaha. I think there is good and bad with all countries.

                        Getting Back to the dual Citizenship, if I get the chance to become a Citizen of the US, I would definately not give up my British Citizenship, because at the end of the day, as my husband sometimes calls me, "I'm his English Rose"

                        To RATIONALE

                        It is my understanding that the NHS hospitals would not turn anyone away with an Emergency, they do however ask a foreigner if they are on holiday, and if they have holiday insurance, but if they do not, they will still treat that person.

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                        • #13
                          I think its common sence to us (original europeans) regardless from what european nation we are originally,we all have one basic thing in common,we believe and were raised,with the priority "health care is human right,and its WE and not ME thinking"

                          I mean I talked to so many here about german system,british,french,italian system...to most americans its sounds like a dreamland,and the worst part is.Sooooo many americans do not even know how it is in most european countries.
                          I mean we talk about free healthcare,able to see any doctor,any hospital,have x rays lef and right,teeth filling left and right,and not worry about how much it cost or of its covered,or if its in network or not,co pay...non of those things exist.
                          On top of that,all of us europeans have free college education.
                          Remember, the U.S. system charges if you wanna be educated and once u graduate u are full of debt,nice way to start a life.
                          European nations see education and health care as human right,and not as privilege.

                          I mean we all love the U.S. I do too and I am proud of it,but I also recignize the s.h.i.t. this government does to its people,who are mostly dumb and uneducated,sounds rude but its true and I am sure we all have stories lol.

                          Its shame though,for a country that is the richest nation on earth,lacks sooo much on basic human right thinking.Not realizing sociliast system basically means,civilized nation who care for eachother.

                          The problem in the US is (there are many) barely 50% of the citizen vote lol,which is another shame lol.
                          And the once who vote are mainly older people,who believe every untrue ****.
                          Then people in this country care more what religion someone has,how many kids a candiate has,if he is married or not lol...none sence.

                          Not to mention the voting system is one of the worst I have ever seen lol

                          RATIONALE...i think its cool if we talk about health system as well haha its fun.

                          We all dislike taxes,but unlike d.u.mmies..we all know taxes benefits all of us,at the end.

                          I know in germany the sale tax is like 19% now.
                          I mean to americans this sounds insane.But u know,whats the big deal.If you know through all that...u have free health care regardless where u work or even if you work.

                          PS: I had a little incident in France,with my buddy when I was there for 3 days...I hit my head very hard at one of the metro stations there.I was in such pain,we decided to see a doctor and walked inside a hospital.
                          Remember I am not a france citizen,nor a resident...i was just there for 3 days.
                          They not only took me in...they took an x ray,gave me some meds (pills) and I was released with a handshake and with the words (get well) It was not an emergency,nothing really.Just the pain was too much...
                          Bottom line...it did not cost me one single cent.I am therefore so thankful for a country like France to do that.

                          Now U will not find one single US hospital in which a dr. will see you,before having your ID where u live,insurance card etc....for non emergency treatment.

                          Sorry,but health care..no one should dare even open their mouth to defand the US system,cause its shameful

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                          • #14
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To RATIONALE
                            It is my understanding that the NHS hospitals would not turn anyone away with an Emergency, they do however ask a foreigner if they are on holiday, and if they have holiday insurance, but if they do not, they will still treat that person. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Yes, that's true. Every Hospital Emergency room has it posted on the wall - that it's a law to treat anyone in case of emergency, regardless of ones' ability to pay for it.


                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">RATIONALE...i think its cool if we talk about health system as well haha its fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            What are all those 'lol's about,HBKHBK ?

                            In any case feel free to talk about it if you like.
                            But I am not interested in participating.


                            Ragards

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                            • #15
                              Wow... so much info!
                              I'm so glad that I can have dual citizenship and will definitely pursue this. Not being able to keep my French citizenship would probably have been a big no-no for me in going forward with US citizenship. Thanks!!!

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