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    I like what's happening in New Jersey. I hope that it trickles down to other states and restores the trust in Government.

    http://www.joncorzine09.com/ma...mlID=12856&s=corzine
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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    I like what's happening in New Jersey. I hope that it trickles down to other states and restores the trust in Government.

    http://www.joncorzine09.com/ma...mlID=12856&s=corzine
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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    • #3
      That is rich coming from the most corrupt governor in America. Hired his girlfriend who is a union official as a state worker.

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        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by federale86:
        That is rich coming from the most corrupt governor in America. Hired his girlfriend who is a union official as a state worker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I didn't know that, but I think as long as she is not doing anything illegal, that ought be alright. In fact, I bet she wouldn't dare doing anything knowing that all eyes are upon her.
        “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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        • #5
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
          I like what's happening in New Jersey. I hope that it trickles down to other states and restores the trust in Government.

          http://www.joncorzine09.com/ma...mlID=12856&s=corzine </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


          Koller, New Jersey has a long history of corruption. In fact it is known as the "Corruption State".


          Corruption: A Time-Honored New Jersey Tradition

          The Garden State has been a fertile ground for pols on the take

          By GABE PRESSMAN

          Updated 10:36 AM EDT, Fri, Jul 24, 2009



          The godfather, er forefather, of New Jersey's long line of scoundrels.

          The trail of corruption in New Jersey goes back to Aaron Burr, described as the original rogue of American politics. He was indicted for murder and treason in a conspiracy to capitalize on a possible war with Spain.

          In a tragic moment in U.S. history, in 1804, Burr challenged Alexander Hamilton, one of the founding fathers, to a duel. Burr killed him on a cliff overlooking the Hudson in Weehawken, New Jersey. Later, Burr tried to create a separate western empire with himself as ruler. He was a wily man but a traitor.

          If you look back at the history of the Garden State, it has been fertile ground for office holders on the take -- and political bosses not shy about putting their hands in the till.

          The Hall of Fame -- or, rather, Hall of Shame -- includes mayors and legislators who robbed the people long before the 44 mayors, assemblymen, rabbis and dozens of others who have just been arrested for corruption and international money laundering.

          Back in the first half of the last century, perhaps the most notorious political figure was Mayor Frank "I Am the Law" Hague of Jersey City. On a meager $7,500-a-year salary he was able to control a powerful political machine that forced municipal employees to kick back 3 percent of their salaries . He became a very wealthy man and, when people tried to inquire into the sources of his income, he would tell them to back off and growl: "I am the law!" No grand jury ever dared to take him on -- and he ruled for 30 years


          more history here and more graft here


          I had an opportunity to get lost in NewArk one day. I could not understand the why the town appeared as it did until I looked up the history. This is what graft does. Newark is the poster child.

          this story certainly did not surprise me, and it will continue on and on . Tradition

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            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I had an opportunity to get lost in NewArk one day. I could not understand the why the town appeared as it did until I looked up the history. This is what graft does. Newark is the poster child.

            this story certainly did not surprise me, and it will continue on and on . Tradition </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I had an opportunity to get lost in NewArk one day. I could not understand the why the town appeared as it did until I looked up the history. This is what graft does. Newark is the poster child. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            &gt;&gt;this story certainly did not surprise me, and it will continue on and on . Tradition&lt;&lt;


            OK, I didn't know all that...glad I do now. However what does the corruption history of New Jersey have to do with Newark's layout and you getting lost in it (if that is what you are referring to).
            “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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            • #7
              Koller

              Sorry but I used the wrong words, I meant to say I had the misfortune of getting lost and ending up in Newark and then getting lost in Newark. Yikes.. I saw streets and streets of empty manufacturing and what appeared to once have been really nice houses. Ghost towns!! and then I became alarmed because it was obvious that I should not have been in that part of town and there were no policeman either. thanks god I was able to get out of there. I was so curious as to what could have happened to the city, and that this was here in america, and how could this happen here.

              I found out that many factors took the city there including a race riot in the 1960 that further destroyed it . governments that followed were all corrupt and the city has never recovered. that is the short of it.

              google newark if you are interested. the city looked appalling. This is the face of a lot more cities in america to come if we do not get jobs back and a standard of living back.



              <span class="ev_code_RED">This sums up Newark:</span>
              In American Pastoral, the 1997 novel by Newark-born author Philip Roth, the protagonist Swede Levov says:

              “ Newark used to be the city where they manufactured everything, now it's the car theft capital of the world ... there was a factory where somebody was making something on every side street. Now there's a liquor store on every street — a liquor store, a pizza stand, and a seedy storefront church. Everything else is in ruins or boarded up. "

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              • #8
                WOW! I've been to Newark and I know there are parts that are really look scary. The town center however looks pretty good and much like any other city.

                But that's not the only city that looks like that once you leave town center. There is Philly for example that's just about the same, or if you go to Brooklyn. Once you pass Washington Heights right after Brooklyn Bridge, there is a stetch that I call Bad Lands.

                Trenton - Capital of New Jersey. As soon as you leave down town, still city limits.....Baaaaad Lands! It's a shame if you ask me. And, once you're through these areas, it opens up and you have middle-upscale neighborhoods all around.

                I like NJ, I always did. I live near Washington's Crossing at the Delaware very nice and very historical.
                “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                • #9
                  I've just spent the past week in Newark (again!) Yuk! What a dump. The locals call it Sewark because of the sewage works LOL.

                  Davdah, fancy sitting on the ramp waiting to taxi for 40-90 mins every day?! That's what you'll get in EWR (Newark). Not much better going back in. Ground stops are common up to the NY area.
                  "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
                    I've just spent the past week in Newark (again!) Yuk! What a dump. The locals call it Sewark because of the sewage works LOL.

                    Davdah, fancy sitting on the ramp waiting to taxi for 40-90 mins every day?! That's what you'll get in EWR (Newark). Not much better going back in. Ground stops are common up to the NY area. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    He, he...that's funny. Ironically, the locals pronounce Newark (Nork). If you now go ahead and look up Nork, you'll find it is a slang word for Norico, a gun manufacturer. Although I doubt Newark locals would know about that irony - I do, and lastly that's all that matters.
                    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                    • #11
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Another reason to fly low wingers. You can sneak in under the other planes and cut in line. LOL. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      But hotter when sat "in the pen" for 1.5hrs like I did down in IAD the other week. Good thing the plane has sunshades
                      "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4now:
                        I was so curious as to what could have happened to the city, and that this was here in america, and how could this happen here.

                        [...] This is the face of a lot more cities in america to come if we do not get jobs back and a standard of living back.
                        </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Don't tell me you're whining 4now! Tsk, tsk.. As expected really, the ones who voted for Bush co are finally getting what they deserve! There's more pain and hardship on the horizon. It's not gonna be a piece of cake this time- you need to learn a HARD lesson.
                        It's going to take many many years, if ever before this economy's going to recover fully, and it's never going to be the same again.

                        You will learn not to invade other nations and rob them of their natural resources. You will learn to respect other countries and other nationals. And hopefully you will grow a brain cell or two and stop being so stunningly stupid. You're pathetic, that's what. Wave your little flags now, and keep shouting: USA! USA! USA!
                        Dumba.s.s. idiots. You've finally ruined it for everybody.

                        And stop whining. It hurts my ears. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                        Whining about what? You dont seem to know the meaning of the word little lady. Since when did whinging become equal to stating facts and history

                        You however, continually whine about bush and republicans... that is whining or this is whining. Davdah keeps saying that you are good at it too. I guess that makes you master of the whine.


                        In anyway though, It is nice to see that you are finally starting to accept reality and not still blindly following your Pied Piper Obama. You are correct... a little late on grasping reality, but none the less correct. It is not getting better anytime soon regardless of what tune he plays on that flute.
                        But you have to start balancing your act Ip,... as you know and refuse to admit that it was not just republicans /or bush that caused this. I think this New Jersey and other stories outlines the history of what has been happening for a long time. Manufacturing jobs were lost and continue to be lost. Look at what happens to cities when this happens. the list goes on as koller points out and it continues to grow. 4crying out loud, you live in michigan and look what the devastation has done in that city. Look at all the steel company cities when the steel mills closed in america... they look the same. The story is the same all across america.

                        Reagan helped to sell off america.. Bill clinton finished it. Joint effort. Party does not matter here. Daddy bush had his own agenda and just continued it thru his son. Obama is not bringing back jobs anytime soon as he is clueless as to how to do it. It is truly pathetic to watch this country to continue to fall.

                        It is so funny to watch/listen to people like you who are JUST NOW learning these things that you are spouting off about. It is amusing grasshopper.

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                        • #13
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am not just beginning to see stuff- I know much more than you will ever know because you don't have enough space in your pin head brain to hold it all.

                          My time is wasted here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                          Grasshopper, I have forgotten more than you will ever know .....and yes, your time IS wasted here


                          YOur ignorance speaks volumes here. You can hear a pin drop when you speak of the narrow minded , un and under-educated and close minded, as it has been a self portrait of your own persona here these last 9 months.

                          You keep giving the official farewells, yet you just keep coming back. Why?

                          Are you leaving again, and 4GOOD this time ..., or is this just another broken promise like the Obama types that you blindly support and stand behind?

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                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                            It actually makes quite a bit of sense. The most sustainable element of an economy is it's ability to 'make' things. If all we are relegated to doing is shuffling papers back and forth and not producing tangible objects it will all end. Just as it did in Detroit. Although the auto industry has been propped up it won't last. In the end, Toyota, Honda, and the cars that will be coming from China will kill off what little is left. Except for one thing. The bill we collectively have to pay. It's very simple math. In china it cost $1.00 to make something to sell in walmart for $3.00. Here, it costs $10.00 to make that same item thanks to the unions, EPA, and a number of other job killing organizations. Which are you going to buy? Multiply that by every product you buy and every job lost because of it. That equates to where we are now. Going green isn't going to help much when the things made to go green are made in china. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I see a solution to this here - it would be that every country retreat within its own borders. No more trading, no more import and export, everyone on a fixed income; no more salary hikes, no more price hikes. Every country provides its own supply and demand.

                            We wouldn't need unions and there wouldn't be inflation. Everybody happy!
                            “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                            • #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4now:
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am not just beginning to see stuff- I know much more than you will ever know because you don't have enough space in your pin head brain to hold it all.

                              My time is wasted here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                              Grasshopper, I have forgotten more than you will ever know .....and yes, your time IS wasted here


                              YOur ignorance speaks volumes here. You can hear a pin drop when you speak of the narrow minded , un and under-educated and close minded, as it has been a self portrait of your own persona here these last 9 months.

                              You keep giving the official farewells, yet you just keep coming back. Why?

                              Are you leaving again, and 4GOOD this time ..., or is this just another broken promise like the Obama types that you blindly support and stand behind? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                              </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                              <span class="ev_code_red">that alledgedly you do not give a d.amn Scarlett</span>

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