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    They did a segment tonight on what happens when a US Citizen dies while their spouse is waiting for AOS interview:

    60 Minutes program
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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    They did a segment tonight on what happens when a US Citizen dies while their spouse is waiting for AOS interview:

    60 Minutes program
    "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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    • #3
      Interesting documentary Brittie. I have heard these stories before about widows, such a shame.
      I remember there were many cases like these after 9/11 and women who were here for many years because of their husbands working here..but lost their residency soon after.

      I wish there wasn't those viagra commercials in that video though lol
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      • #4
        Such a shame that immigrant widows of USC are treated in such a way. Has immigration services lost all of it's soul?

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        • #5
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by max-one:
          Such a shame that immigrant widows of USC are treated in such a way. Has immigration services lost all of it's soul? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
          The only option is the I-360 for Widow(er). The surviving spouse would have to be married for at least 2 years, among other conditions. But then you have the other problem from anti-immigrant groups or its members such as:
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The other side of the widow story:
          How to Become a U.S. citzen:
          1. If you''re a pretty woman, find some guy who is a u.s. citizen and throw yourself at him.
          2. Make apparent to friends/family how in love and happy you are.
          3. Arrange for death of spouse
          4. Congratulations, now you are U.S. citizen.

          Posted by subject931 at 04:10 AM : Nov 24, 2008 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

          The above opinion posted by subject931 shows the true problem. With unwavering suspicion, even on the most innocent of circumstances.

          BTW: USCIS, like any other government agency does not make up the rules, just administers the rules as written on the books. In some cases, such as the 60 minute interview, it does not look pretty from the outside looking in.
          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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          • #6
            Agreed. Hudson's right, it's old law which hasn't been updated to allow for changing circumstances. I believe most of the INA was made during the 1950s when it took maybe a few weeks if that for an interview date. They just didn't think of it taking a year or more back then. An area ripe for CIR I hope.

            My mom once met such a victim on a flight over here. Apparently her USC hubby died while waiting for the interview and she was told by many lawyers the petition dies with him. She got lucky and was able to do AOS based on another immigration category.

            I thought Chertoff's reply was somewhat vague and evasive. Maybe he needs some help from those little blue pills
            "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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            • #7
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brit4064:
              Agreed. Hudson's right, it's old law which hasn't been updated to allow for changing circumstances. I believe most of the INA was made during the 1950s when it took maybe a few weeks if that for an interview date. They just didn't think of it taking a year or more back then. An area ripe for CIR I hope.

              My mom once met such a victim on a flight over here. Apparently her USC hubby died while waiting for the interview and she was told by many lawyers the petition dies with him. She got lucky and was able to do AOS based on another immigration category.

              I thought Chertoff's reply was somewhat vague and evasive. Maybe he needs some help from those little blue pills </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
              chertoff's reply was a classic government reply Brit. He probably did not know the specifics of the case, but at the same time, could not give anything firm because of the litigation. Thus, the appearance may looked evasive, but in reality, ti was answering the question without putting his foot in his mouth.

              I assisted an immigrant whose husband passed away. She petitioned the I-360 and got her green card. However, it was some of the family members, specifically the children from the previous marriage and the ex wife that tried to get her deported. The ex even suggested she caused the death even though it was Legionnaire's disease contracted while in Italy.
              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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              • #8
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                What about the first part of that video? The African nuclear reactor being broken into and bomb making material nearly acquired by a band of 8 or so thieves. That should be a little more concerning that some welfare mom having to move. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                My thoughts exactly !!! These people do not care about America. All they care about is getting a green card and scamming for money. They could care less about America. Which is why we don't want them here. They just don't get it.

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                • #9
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                  What about the first part of that video? The African nuclear reactor being broken into and bomb making material nearly acquired by a band of 8 or so thieves. That should be a little more concerning that some welfare mom having to move. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                  Davdah,
                  The South African incident is serious. No one is debating that. However, the incident occurred in South Africa which the government has decided to bury the embarrassing incident. And there is nothing the U.S. nor any other country can do something about it except offer training to the security personnel.

                  However, the widowers, which the investigative report concentrated on, are not welfare mothers, but surviving spouses who, through an unfortunate set of circumstances, have been involved in an immigration nightmare not of their own making. And with the first widower, the in-laws have been very gracious to their grandson and to the daughter-in-law. The others did not go that far with the supporting family members. Again, finally, all came the LEGAL WAY are attempting to get approval in the LEGAL WAY.
                  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I assisted an immigrant whose husband passed away. She petitioned the I-360 and got her green card. However, it was some of the family members, specifically the children from the previous marriage and the ex wife that tried to get her deported. The ex even suggested she caused the death even though it was Legionnaire's disease contracted while in Italy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                    The women was from Italy, strange coincidence eh? How much life insurance was there? Details, details. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



                    Excellent; AGAIN - My thoughts exactly !! These people stop at nothing ! My ex-fraudster tried to blow up my house and kill me ! These people stop at nothing !

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                    • #11
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I assisted an immigrant whose husband passed away. She petitioned the I-360 and got her green card. However, it was some of the family members, specifically the children from the previous marriage and the ex wife that tried to get her deported. The ex even suggested she caused the death even though it was Legionnaire's disease contracted while in Italy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      The women was from Italy, strange coincidence eh? How much life insurance was there? Details, details. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      Davdah,
                      I never said the surviving spouse was from Italy. Actually, she was from Asia, specifically Korea. He was a general partner in an import/export business dealing with communication software. They met at a conference in Seoul. He went on a business trip to Italy where he contracted Legionnaire's disease. He was only married twice with the second one being an immigrant after 8 years of soul searching.

                      The life insurance went to his sister, who happened to be the executor of his estate when he divorced from the previous wife. the life insurance went to the mortgage company, all of it. However, it was his general partnership, the house, and other assets that were in contention by the ex and the children. He did update the will to include his new wife, who got a third of his interest in the partnership, but apparently, that was not enough for the squablling relatives, just like Californians.
                      "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hudson:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                        What about the first part of that video? The African nuclear reactor being broken into and bomb making material nearly acquired by a band of 8 or so thieves. That should be a little more concerning that some welfare mom having to move. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        Davdah,
                        The South African incident is serious. No one is debating that. However, the incident occurred in South Africa which the government has decided to bury the embarrassing incident. And there is nothing the U.S. nor any other country can do something about it except offer training to the security personnel.

                        However, the widowers, which the investigative report concentrated on, are not welfare mothers, but surviving spouses who, through an unfortunate set of circumstances, have been involved in an immigration nightmare not of their own making. And with the first widower, the in-laws have been very gracious to their grandson and to the daughter-in-law. The others did not go that far with the supporting family members. Again, finally, all came the LEGAL WAY are attempting to get approval in the LEGAL WAY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                        One woman's plight is insignificant compared to the potential catastrophic consequences of a successful raid on a power plant such as the one is S. Africa. There is a lot we can/must do. It is patently obvious we are the primary targets of most wanted terrorism. With that it is our governments duty and obligation to thwart exploitation of sloppy and or reckless security anywhere. Carelessness which would lead to weapons grade nuclear material falling into the wrong hands.


                        All it takes is an amount the size of a grapefruit to wipe out an entire city. Its easily transportable and difficult to detect in its raw form. A risk we should not be willing to accept under any circumstances.

                        Any of those women are mere footnotes compared to the greater hazard posed by irresponsible plant operators such as these. On the day of the attack the person who was scheduled to be there was a cripple! If only he didn't get drunk the terrorists would have been successful in their goal. Then what? Would anyone care about jane the widow when New York or Los Angeles just got vaporized? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                        Again, we are dealing with mutually exclusive items here Davdah. The situation is not one or two, but 300 to 400 men and women facing this cataclysmic immigration nightmare.

                        Second, I think you fail to grasp what terrorism really is. The Cold War has not stopped when the Berlin Wall fell down on 11/9, merely changed the battlefield. Most of the major industrial powers have faced, is facing, and will continue to face terrorism. There have been terrorism attacks in Thailand, Philippines, off the coast of Somalia, China, Japan, Korea, Spain, England, and other countries. Nor will it stop if the Palestinian-Israeli conflict resolves peacefully.

                        Third, the nuclear incident in South Africa is of great concern. No one is doubting that Davdah. Buy the problem is not questioning immigration on behalf of national security, but to question national security on terrorism. I am not stating to relax natinoal security, but not to give in our fears. That is the only way to beat terrorsim, along with de guello tactics.
                        "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                        • #13
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                          The point I was making is the overwhelming difference between the two reports with the first being far more important and yet the second getting the attention.

                          ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          My goodness gracious! This being an immigration forum, Brit started this thread with focus on the "Widow Penalty" controversy. But somebody we all know who likes opting to instigate further controversies and division as always, picked on the South African incident. Hmm, it's getting so monotonous and boring!

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                          • #14
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                            The point I was making is the overwhelming difference between the two reports with the first being far more important and yet the second getting the attention.

                            ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            My goodness gracious! This being an immigration forum, Brit started this thread with focus on the "Widow Penalty" controversy. But somebody we all know who likes opting for the controversial side as always, picked on the South African incident. Hmm, it's getting so monotonous and boring! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                            • #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
                              The point I was making is the overwhelming difference between the two reports with the first being far more important and yet the second getting the attention.

                              ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              My goodness gracious! This being an immigration forum, Brit started this thread with focus on the "Widow Penalty" controversy. But somebody we all know who likes opting to instigate further controversies and division as always, picked on the South African incident. Hmm, it's getting so monotonous and boring! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Unfortunately CBS chose to keep the whole program intact and not break up each report into separate items so I had no choice but to post the whole thing, hence you have to sit through the first item to get to the second one.
                              "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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