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    You'll read tomorrow about the Democrats big win in the House (and possible the Senate). You probably won't read about how badly anti-immigrants in the House have done this evening. Between retirements and losses, at least 11 and as many as 20 hardcore anti-immigrant Congressman will be gone in January. They include:

    Read more here: Tancredo

    freedom1

  • #2
    You'll read tomorrow about the Democrats big win in the House (and possible the Senate). You probably won't read about how badly anti-immigrants in the House have done this evening. Between retirements and losses, at least 11 and as many as 20 hardcore anti-immigrant Congressman will be gone in January. They include:

    Read more here: Tancredo

    freedom1

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    • #3
      THIS IS HUGE HUGE....WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE ANTI-IMMIGRATION RHETORIC WAS REBUFFED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND TODAY, THE PRESIDENT EVEN SAID THAT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL HAVE A EASIER PATH WITH DEMOCRATS.

      JD HAYWORTH LOSING WAS HUGE BECAUSE HE WAS THE LOUDEST VOICE FOR ANTI IMMIGRATION RHETORIC AND HE WENT DOWN IN FLAME....

      I THINK ITS CLEAR NOW THAT YOU WILL NEVER HEAR SUCH HATRED TOWARD IMMIGRATION FROM THE GOP PARTY AND THE DEMOCRATS WILL MOVE QUICK TO END THIS WEDGE ISSUE SO THAT THE REPUBLICANS DONT RUN ON IT IN 08.

      BUSH HAS ALREADY STATED HE WANTS TO WORK WITH THE DEMS ON AMNESTY!!

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      • #4
        Albatross--Immigration wasn't even one of the big issues people mentioned in why they voted as they did. Corruption, the war, and the economy were the biggies. The only thing these losses represent is of incumbent Republicans who are associated with a dysfunctional administration.

        Bush also told his own party he wanted amnesty, and look what it got him--a border fence. What makes you think that Democrats are any more united, particularly those who just got elected and will need to face re-election in only 2 years. Now, why would they want to push to give an unpopular President something HE wants? Especially when they can sit back and deal with the issues people said are important, such as the war. Amnesty contrary to what you think is NOT POPULAR with all Democrats, nor is a guest worker program.

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        • #5
          (CNN) -- After a sweeping Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives in Tuesday's midterm election, and with control of the Senate hanging in the balance, exit polls indicated views of President Bush and the war in Iraq were key to the outcome.

          According to CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider, voters were angry and wanted change -- and the old adage that all politics is local did not apply this year.

          Schneider said as he interviewed voters across the country, "a lot of voters said, 'I'm going to vote Democratic.' They didn't even know the name of the Democrat, but they said, 'I'm going to vote Democratic because I don't like Bush, I don't like the war, I want to make a statement.'"

          According to exit polls, 57 percent of all voters disapprove of the war in Iraq and 58 percent disapprove of Bush's job performance.

          Most voters cast their ballots on national rather than local issues, with 60 percent saying national issues mattered most to their vote, while 34 percent said local issues mattered most.

          Independents, who make up 26 percent of the national electorate, were the swing constituency. They voted for Democrats by a 59 percent to 37 percent margin.

          "We haven't seen that big a vote for one party among independents since exit polling began about 30 years ago," said Schneider.

          "[Swing voters] were supposed to be irrelevant, and in previous elections, for about the last 10 years, the swing voters have divided evenly, so who cares," Schneider said. "This year they really had their revenge."

          Late-deciding voters went decisively for Democrats. Nationwide, 19 percent of all voters indicated that they made up their minds in the last three days of the campaign. Those voters went Democratic, 56 percent to 41 percent. Among the 10 percent of voters who decided on Election Day itself, 60 percent voted Democratic and 37 percent voted Republican.

          Voters overwhelmingly turned thumbs down on how Congress has performed its job. Only 36 percent approved, while 61 percent disapproved. Of those who disapproved, 71 percent voted for the Democratic House candidate. Of those who approved, 71 percent voted for the Republican House candidate.

          For the most part, Republicans held their religious base. White evangelical-born again voters went Republican by 69 percent to 29 percent. In 2004, the same group voted Republican in House contests by a slightly higher margin, 73 percent to 26 percent.

          In Montana, one of two states whose senatorial election was still too close to call on Wednesday morning, exit polls showed that Republican incumbent Sen. Conrad Burns suffered serious political damage because of his association with disgraced former lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Forty percent of Montana voters said the ethics/corruption issue was "extremely important" to them.

          Rhode Island votes out popular, moderate GOP leader
          Schneider cited Rhode Island as proof of how badly voters wanted change.

          "[Incumbent Republican Senator] Lincoln Chafee, who had a 63 percent job approval in Rhode Island -- they liked him, but they didn't vote for him. They didn't vote for him because he's a Republican and even though he's antiwar, he didn't even vote to re-elect President Bush, the fact is he would vote to make the Republicans the majority party in the Senate," Schneider said.

          Exit polls showed that 63 percent of Rhode Island voters wanted Democrats to control the Senate, and 78 percent of those voters supported Chafee's opponent, Sheldon Whitehouse. Whitehouse won the seat with 53 percent of the vote.

          In another state with a hard-fought Senate race, 46 percent of Missouri voters said their most important issue was the economy. Among that group, 61 percent voted for Democrat Claire McCaskill, who defeated Republican incumbent Jim Talent.

          In Tennessee, site of another closely watched Senate race, voters were more supportive of President Bush and the war in Iraq than most Americans.

          Tennessee voters were almost evenly split on the war, with 49 percent approving and 48 percent disapproving. On Bush's job performance, 50 percent of Tennessee voters disapproved and 48 percent approved.

          In the race there for the Senate seat being vacated by retiring Sen. Bill Frist, Republican Bob Corker defeated Democrat Harold Ford Jr. by 51 percent to 48 percent.

          Exit poll interviewers, working on behalf of The Associated Press, CNN and four other networks, were stationed at about 1,000 precincts around the country Tuesday, asking voters to describe themselves and their opinions on important issues.

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          • #6
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bush also told his own party he wanted amnesty, and look what it got him--a border fence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            AliBa, I think you're forgetting that the bill passed by the Senate also calls for a fence as well, not just a shot to citizenship. The keyword here is "Comprehensive".

            Freedom1.

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            • #7
              The controversial fence was included in the Senate bill, along with many other provisions, most likely as a compromise to "ease" its reconciliation with the House bill. However, some conservatives with deep electoral concerns before the election, decided to create smaller bills for quick passage consisting of provisions that were common to both the House and the Senate bill to show the people they were "taking care of business". The only one that made it to the Senate floor was the so-called Fence Act.
              This was a political move, the fence has been criticized even by top DHS officials because, after all, the bill does not appropriate a single penny for construction, but also, the fence itself is designed "by sectors", literally, with holes the size of Texas.
              The Fence Act cannot be said to be the product of debate and deliberation, it's only the product of the circumstances in an electoral year.

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              • #8
                Not really, all these rep:
                Bilbray (R-CA)
                Cubin (R-WY)
                Doolittle (R-CA)
                Drake (R-VA)
                Kuhl (R-NY)
                Musgrave (R-CO)
                Otter (R-ID)
                Renzi (R-AZ)
                Schmidt (R-OH
                listed as anti immigrant on visalaw.com, won their races

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                • #9
                  Jesus christ ALIBA, give it up already...I cant believe you think conservative democrats will block nancy pelocy from moving ahead with the comprehensive immigration bill...First of all, the best think for the dem to do is sign an immigration bill into law as soon as next year and get it over with, then by 08, the immigration issue will be long forgotten and GOP candidate wont have this issue to run on....I believe that nancy will make sure the amnesty that is sign into law, get strong border enforcement and thats what the american people wants.

                  We all knew that the last line of defense of any type of amnesty was the GOP led house, and if you did your homework, you'd learn that the hispanic and black caucus are united for amnesty..now thats about 150 + members combine, and you really think conservative democrats will prevail and embarrass pelosi??

                  Here's one thing you need to learn about pelosi..she was able to get house democrats to vote in line with her 88% of the time and this is why she's now speaker...Meaning she's good at whipping her base and making them vote in line...althought i suspect some conservative democrats will ask that she allows them to vote against them, i see no problem with it, because they are just a few conservative dems, and like ive said, we will get plenty of republicans croos over like mike pence, jeff flake and the 3 cuban american in florida and some more....

                  I just cant see how the amnesty will be block..there's just no way, no opposition to it...the only opposition i could see is the president himself, but like we all know it by now, he wants it and amnesty might be the only bill ill be able to pass since he's now a lame duck president with no power.

                  You need to remember that the biggest supporter of the amnesty came from democrats like harry reid,ted kenndy and 909% of the senate democratic caucus...do you really think that the house democratic leader are the complete opposite??? are you aware that pelosi demanded comprehensive immigration instead of hr4437??

                  I SUGGEST YOU TO TAKE YOUR LOST LIKE A MAN..AMNESTY IS NEAR!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Ok its decided Democrats take over the house.
                    But when you say "democrat" you automatically assume a liberal and a pro immigration.
                    Not all this is true. Even though its predicted that comprehensive immigration bill along with wage increase will pass but it will not be any easier with a democratic house either.
                    The group of black democrats have already united against the bill and conservative democrats will not vote for the bill either. Nancy will get the votes needed but it won't be easy so don't pop open ur wine yet.
                    wait for it to actually pass.
                    Alibaba, you in one of your previous posts wrote that poll's conducted by media are biased and are not a true reflection of voter opinion.
                    Oops looks like poll conducted by media (CNN) was actually a true reflection of voter opinion.
                    and i think ( after seeing you paste an article from CNN.com) you believe that too

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                    • #11
                      Did you say the black caucus are against it?? are you stupid or just playing plain ignorant??? The black caucus and the hispanic are BOTH in favor of COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform..I dont know where you got your misinformation....The majority of the black caucus favors it and only one black member opposes comprehensive immigration reform and thats harold ford jr and this was because he was planning on running for the senate seat in TN , a very red state...

                      Let me also remind you that the majority of the black caucus members are sitting on safe seats and AGAIN i never heard anyone of them say they oppose amnesty, they call it "path to citizenship.

                      You see, the black caucus and the hispanic are align on almost EVERY ISSUES because both caucuses are very LIBERAL led by liberal leaders...Im very upset that you came here and said the majority of the black caucus are against it.

                      Also, im thinking the reason why you came to that conclusion is because of the vote to keep the felony poison pill inside hr4437, but if you had done your homework, pelosi was the one who advised them to vote to keep the felony charge pill in the harsh immigration bill to make it unattractive...And remember, at the time when hr4437 was being debated, the black caucus joined the hispanic caucus to speak against hr4437..AGAIN, I DONT KNOW WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO SAY THE BLACK CAUCUS ARE AGAINST THE SENATE IMMIGRATION BILL, AND I SUSPECT EVEN IF MOST OF THEM WERE AGAINST IT, THEY'D PROBABLY NEVER GO PUBLIC WITH IT BECAUSE IT WOULD ANGER THE HISPANIC CAUCUS AND THOSE GUYS HAS TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS, AND ITS NOT EVEN A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS VS LIBERal democrats

                      Im still cant believe you came here and say the black caucus is against the senate comprehensive bill johnny conyer, a leading member of the democratic house leadership is for it, charlie rangel is also for it, and those 2 are major players in the black caucus, SO STOP LYING.

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                      • #12
                        ok now first of all calm down ... ur caps did'nt impress me ... neither did your calling me stupid / ignorant .. i really hope you don't call your father stupid and ignorant when you debate with him ... i'm not here to argue with any one just a political debate ...

                        As for your information many members of CBC have publicly said that they are against amnesty. don't forget Rep. Harrison Ford jr. a congressional black caucus member actually voted for H.R.4437. others did'nt vote for it and are against making immigrants felons but many also don't support the amnesty so i hate to rain on your parade but the immigration reform will have a little hard time ...
                        keep your fingers crossed and behave it might actually pass.

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Moemoe that we still need some work to pursue Democrats towards amnesty.... I am somewhat disappointed from Peloski not mentioning the Immigration in her first public appearance after taking the house.

                          The good thing is that we have a President who is for the immigration. Unlesss, Democrats find the excuse that a good bill is not possible till this president is gone...

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                          • #14
                            MOEMOE-Let me teach you a lesson and i want you to read this carefully.I will teach you the lesson of mind controll and deception, the art of good politics where i could sell you a toyota and tell you it's a mercedez benz. read carefully so you would undersatnd why amnesty will pass...Im for amnesty but the only way it will pass is by head faking the people.

                            If you asked the open border advocate whether they think the senate comprehensive immigration bill is amnesty, 99.9% of them will say NO...Now, i do think the senate bill is a lite-amnesty because it still pardons people that came here illegaly and allows them to stay and if the democrats take over, you'll see an even broader amnesty because its in the interest of the democrats to legalize has many hispanics as possible and get them to vote democratic as soon as they are eligible..Also, expect a shorter pathway to citizenship in compare to the republican passed amnesty wich would have them waiting in line for 15 years.

                            Now, remember, if you ask the amnesty supporters whether the senate bill is amnesty, they will all say NO(but they all knows its amnesty), therefore, when you hear a black caucus member AND EVEN HISPANIC CAUCUS MEMBER,say they're against amnesty but says they're for comprehensive immigration reform, you need to understand what mind game they are playing.

                            Okay, now if you ask a black caucus member whether he/she is from COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, 99.9% OF THEM WILL SAY YESS!! THEY ARE FOR "COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM.

                            Now, lets review everything....they all are against amnesty, but are for "comprehensive immigration reform BUT they all dont consider the senate bill amnesty and calls it comprehensive immigration.BINGO!!! YOU GET IT YET??!!

                            DOES IT WORKS? YES IT DOES AND HERE'S WHY:
                            polls after polls have shown the same exact things...If you ask the american people whether they're for amnesty, the majority will say NO!! but if you turn around and ask them whether they're for comprehensive immigration reform, the majority says YES!!..THIS IS THE BIG SECRET.

                            Now, how does the american public define comprehensive immigration reform?? They all says that comprehensive reforms means smart plan that does enforcement in a tough way whyle attempting to handle the 12 million illegal immigrants in a human way.

                            How does the amerian people feels about amnesty:? amnesty is define as bad policy that would pardons millions of lawbreakers and would only cause another million to come in to wait for the next amnesty.

                            NOW, HAVE YOU NOTICE HOW BOTH DEFINITION DIFFERS FROM EACH OTHER?????

                            THE GOAL IS TO SELL THE "SENATE AMNESTY"PLAN AS "COMREPEHSNIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM"

                            NOW, HAVE YOU NOTICE HOW BOTH DEFINITION DIFFERS FROM EACH OTHER?????

                            Now, you need to understand that they've been a huge attempt by president BUSH and the amnesty advocates to put it in the american people's mind that the senate bill is not amnesty and its indeed 'COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, and i must say, theyve done a terrific job by doing so if you look at the polls..Amnesty is a bad word, but the senate bill is not viewed as amnesty by the american people.

                            Remember when Bush when on the air wave nationwide to talk about immigration reform?? remember?? what did you think this was about??? Bush repeatidly said he was against amnesty and said he was for comprehensive immigration reform and told the american people the senate bill is immigration reform..BINGOOOO! THE SEED WERE PLANTED INSIDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S MIND THAT NIGHT..EVER SINCE THAT DAY, AMNESTY AND COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM WERE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER AND THE SENATE BILL IS NOW COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION INSTEAD OF AMNESTY.

                            This is the art of deception and this is why everyone will say they are against amnesty, but turn around and say the senate bill is comprehensive immigration reform.

                            I suspect you heard black caucus members say they were against amnesty, but if you ask them whether they are for comprehensive immigration reform, they'll say yes because you cant deport 12 million people...Go look at james webb website or purmutter's website or any other new democrats website...They will all say they're against amnesty, but are for comprehensive immigration reform, meaning the senate amnesty bill.

                            I hope you learn a very important lesson, THE ART OF DECEPTION AND MIND CONTROLL OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

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                            • #15
                              Definatly..The war in iraq is a perfect example because Bush really made the american public believe that saddam had something to do with 911, and even to this day, when this question is being polled, a good number of americans still believe saddam had something to do with 911.

                              On amnesty- if you take a look at my previous post about deception on amnesty, you'd think im against amnesty,but au contraire, im 100% for it because the opposite of amnesty is just inhuman, mass deporation and i just cant support a mother being separated from her american citizen children.

                              My point is, there's no way you could sell the public "amnesty", therefore, we had to disguise it as "comprehensive immigration reform"

                              To tell you the truth, as long as good border enforcement is enacted, i think the american public wouldnt have such a problem with amnesty..I do think we have plenty of people in the US and "illegal immigration has to be diminished greatly and as long as we have a good economy and unemployment is down, then i would support the guest worker program because they are so many jobs in the US that gets unfilled because they are unattractive.

                              So again, we need to cut illegal immigration and shut down the borders, but we cant deport anyone thats already inside..deportation should stop because its inhuman..Ive seen to many mother get deported whyle leaving their children behind.

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