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    Hello everyone:

    My name is Sam, I am the publisher of ILW.COM. We have had this community since 1999. We have left it pretty much alone and I am happy to say that it has grown dramatically over time.

    I am a strong believer in freedom of speech, and I have no problem with those who are against immigration posting on our discussion board.

    However, we have always urged every poster to refrain from using foul language. This has been widely ignored on this board from time to time. I am urging everyone in this community to please observe the ban on use of foul language (eg four letter words, etc).

    I will occasionally be posting under my personal account which you see in this post. I am deliberately not posting as the admin since I want to ensure that I can offer my personal opinions on threads from time to time. If any member of this community wants to confirm my identity as publisher, please feel free to email the administrator account webmaster@ilw.com

    Thank you for your time and attention. I look forward to a lively and respectful community going forward.

    Sam U.

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    I am a strong believer in <span class="ev_code_RED">freedom of speech,</span> and I have no problem with those who are against immigration posting on our discussion board.

    Hello Sam of ILW

    Just in response to the above statement.,, I havent seen any posts against immigration. There have been numerous posts relative to Illegal migration, or term Illegal immigration as known by most.

    This community has always been a clean one in the past. Not having to read the gutter and vulgar foul language that lately has become the popular trend with a growing following.

    The key words here are respectful community going forward.

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    • #3
      Dear 4Now:

      Thanks for your response. We have no problems with folks who are against illegal immigration, or against legal immigration or both, or indeed, have any other opinion.

      Our concern is repeated complaints mailed into webmaster@ilw.com alleging foul language on the board. Our active participation is to ensure that foul language is not used on this forum. If anyone has any disagreement with anyone else's opinion, pl voice the disagreement in any way you like - with or without passion, with or without criticism, etc - however, pl refrain from using foul language.

      I trust the community will agree that our's is a reasonable position. Thanks.

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        • #5
          hi sam i was just wondering about 1 thing , i also believe on the freedom of speach . but have u read sonofmichael's post on the (Am I a Citizen? how do I proove it thread) is his statment also a freedom of speach?

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          • #6
            Hi Sam U.,

            I hope your presence here will inspire members to hold themselves to a higher level of standards.

            Thank you and welcome!

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            • #7
              I trust the community will agree that our's is a <span class="ev_code_BLUE">reasonable position</span>


              I 4one am in agreement. thank you for free reign... but of course without the foul language.

              We are determined to hold this board together as you have spent many hard working years to build it up and add the enhancements that we requested. it is a super board now.


              Now that we have almost every imaginative add on that we requested.... can you give us audio bits now if we are very good souls. (of course with option to turn sound on or off.)



              Thank you Sam of ILW

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              • #8
                hi sam , by the way , what happened with the (chat with lawyers) weekly service? and before the member were able to use that service to chat with each other even when there was no attorney's online..and not it's not working at all ? thnx alot

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                • #9
                  Hi Sam,

                  Just to say thanks to you for making this forum possible. I have done lots of searches to help my friend's immigration concerns and this is the forum that really helped and shed light on her problems. Keep up the good work!

                  Most of the power members had really been helpful (whether in the form of direct advice or expression of opinions and options). Members who came to this forum for help definitely appreciate the exchange of information.
                  Do all the good you can, in all the ways you can, as long as ever you can.

                  --John Wesley

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                  • #10
                    Hello again everyone! Wow, lots of responses from the community! I will try to address specific issues raised below:

                    To Mike_2007's post of 6.43pm: I will take a look at the post you refer (Am I a Citizen), and revert (probably tomoro). If you can post a link on this thread, that would also help.

                    To 4Now's post of 6.58pm: Thanks for your kind words on enhancements. The enhancements tripled our costs for this board, but we felt that it would make for a livelier experience for everyone. I will research the audio question with our tech folks, and will revert. However, bear in mind that this may take a few days.

                    To Mike_2007's post of 7.11pm: We discontinued our chat with lawyers feature as we found that:
                    (1) the standard on the internet was to use the synchronous device of chat for time-sensitive communication like suicide help lines, etc
                    (2) the volume on discussion boards across the internet had exploded and there appeared to be a much greater need for asynchronous communication.
                    However, there is a chat feature right here on this board that any member can use if they like. So, you can certainly chat among each other on this board using a synchronous feature, without posting on the board.

                    To all other posts: Thanks for your kind words. We appreciate the patience and participation of this community, and will support you over the coming years.

                    Thanks to all again.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by iperson:
                      As far as I am concerned I have not once seen one comment on this forum in support of illegal immigration.
                      I have seen numerous posts filled with hate prompted by racism.
                      Thus so I've got a question- is hate speech allowed or forbidden on this forum?
                      Thank you iperson for your question. Your question touches on a critical issue for this board, so please permit me to answer it at some length. And, since this is an important issue, please feel free to post for clarifications from me (within 24 hours of this post), and please permit me to expand and clarify as need be so that our communications both ways should be clear to everyone.

                      Over the years (from 1999 to today), we have noticed that many individuals have kindly given their time, effort, and ideas, to help make this board successful and vibrant. We know that thousands, if not tens of thousands have used this board for support, research, etc. We appreciate this a great deal and thank the community (which includes many immigration lawyers) for this.

                      We have received several offers from volunteers on this board to moderate this board. Let me state that we love the idea of self-government and if we can find volunteers to moderate this board, we would be very happy.

                      However, all or almost all of the offers to us included statements along the lines of - I dont like racist speech, and will ensure that this board remains off-limits to racists. This is a problem for us, since our inclination is to permit all content on this forum (with exceptions noted below) but to regulate merely the style of postings. The exceptions involve postings which are prohibited by law - such as those involving commerce on drugs, gambling, alcohol, etc. In regulating the style of postings, we do not want to see foul language, ****ography, etc on this board.

                      Personally, I find a racist posting sickening. However, I think that it is easy to ignore using the ignore feature on this board. Ostracism is a powerful tool that a community possesses.

                      We are open to the suggestions from the community, but our inclination is not to monitor the content of the speech, but closely monitor its style.

                      Trust that addresses your point. I will remain open to dialog on this, with the caveat that it might be one business day before a response. Thanks for raising the issue, and thanks for participating in this forum.

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                      • #12
                        Hooray for Moderation. Yes, there has been plenty of racism used as a response to those who feel that the adverse effects of the issue of illegal immigration should not be posted or discussed here. From my first day here I was welcomed by those who who didn't want the truth posted here by being stalked, called ni-gga and threatened with being raped, etc. From that day forward I have been forced to defend myself from racial slurs, racist pictures, and being told where I can or cannot post, etc. It is nice to have a voice of reason who agrees that there are two sides to this issue and that Freedom of speech is an intricate part of conversation and that there are two sides to every coin.
                        Wolves Travel In Packs
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                        • #13
                          Re Mike_2007's query: I just took a look at this thread: http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/902603441/m/6...066731?r=68610066731 and saw Son of Michael's post of January 03, 2008 04:36 PM which is what I believe you referred to in your query.

                          My immediate reaction is - He can't be serious! It seems to be a satire and obviously not meant literally. It is in poor taste, and if we become aware of something like this, we would, at a minimum ask Son of Michael to refrain from posting a statement advocating violence. We would take more steps as needed.

                          So, Son of Michael, I cannot believe you meant anything in that post - it must be a joke. You can clown around if thats what you want to do, but please do NOT advocate violence as you did in your points 1 and 3.

                          To Mike_2007 - No, an advocacy of violence does NOT fit under the rubric of freedom of speech.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Beverly:
                            Hooray for Moderation. Yes, there has been plenty of racism used as a response to those who feel that the adverse effects of the issue of illegal immigration should not be posted or discussed here. From my first day here I was welcomed by those who who didn't want the truth posted here by being stalked, called ni-gga and threatened with being raped, etc. From that day forward I have been forced to defend myself from racial slurs, racist pictures, and being told where I can or cannot post, etc. It is nice to have a voice of reason who agrees that there are two sides to this issue and that Freedom of speech is an intricate part of conversation and that there are two sides to every coin.

                            Terrific! Then I guess we will no longer be seeing the word breedmare, talks of removing women's uteri and applauding when an illegal immigrate is accidentally electrocuted? M'kay, Beverly?

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                            • #15
                              As one of the few 'Power Members' posting here, I do not believe that the word 'breedmare' is a racist term....it refers more to the types of individuals who come here in uncertain status and have a child (usually at taxpayer's expense) in the vain hope that this child can be used to gain status in the US of A....and there is no shortage of 'breedmares' invading our country and adding to our population -- and thus to my taxes and/or what those funds are spent on....and I don't like it.
                              As far as my postings go, well, I promise anyone that I will share my point of view (no doubt many of you have witnessed this) and will challenge any of you when you post something that needs (in my opinion) some 'clarification'...so be prepared to defend your position...and with more than the usual 'the Native Americans' were here first ....that argument is meaningless in the 21st century...

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