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    County Commissioner Bills Mexican Government For Illegal Aliens



    By Jon Hanian


    Commissioners sends Mexican government bill for "illegal aliens"


    Caldwell, ID -
    Thousands of migrant farm workers are here legally but many are here illegally. It was that portion of the migrant labor population that Canyon County Commissioner Robert Vasquez singled out for special attention today suggesting that the Mexican government should reimburse local taxpayers for their expenses. "My fellow American's, constituents, friends and neighbors expect their county commissioner to spend the taxes on services for American's not on illegal alien's healthcare, education or detention."

    That is why Vasquez today showed off a $2 million bill he is sending to the Mexican consulate in Salt Lake City. Vasquez says Canyon county has tallied up $1.4 million in housing illegal aliens in the county jail, and $575,000 on welfare services for illegal aliens over the last two years. "The reality is we are securing the borders of Iraq but we are not securing the borders of the United States, that is the reality."

    But officials with the Idaho Migrant Council say Vasquez is missing the point. They say without illegal aliens a lot of the crops here in this country would end up rotting in the ground, according to Dr. Albert Pacheco, the council's director. "They would, because no native born American wants to work for those wages to work for those conditions and I think historically if we look at it America it has been built and has prospered based on illegal immigration."

    Pacheco also suggests that Vasquez' use of words like "fight" and illegal "invasion" is subtle hate speech. "I think he is trying to pander to the racism and the ignorance that still exists in this country."

    But at the Canyon County Jail illegal aliens are creating a financial burden according to Canyon County Sheriff George Nourse who is careful to point that many migrants (legal and illegal) are hard working decent people. Still, he says a good number of them end up in his jail funded by local taxpayers. "We had about 1200 illegal aliens go through our jail last year. And it does create a hardship and a burden on the justice system on our courts, the prosecutors office and the Sheriff's office."

    8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants live in the country, according to official estimates.





    Immigrants contributions are ignored

    By (EFE)

    03/17/2004
    Immigrant rights groups highlight the "immeasurable" support that immigrants offer and adamantly deny statements that millions of them are a "burden" on the country.

    Eugenio Arene, the executive director of the Council of Latino Agencies, told EFE that "it's obvious that economic growth in the United States in the 1980s, which continued in the 1990s, was due to the massive flow of the cheap, manual labor" of immigrants.

    "That cheap manual labor benefited the employers and communities where immigrants settled."

    Arene said that in those decades employers received a labor force of third world countries at a low cost, while the real estate industry was supported by the profits generated from high cost of housing.

    Arene said that "the economic contributions of immigrants between 22 to 30 years old will sustain retirement funds of people who were born during the ˜baby boom.'"

    Other entities have noted that millions of undocumented immigrants never claim income tax refunds that they earned by the IRS, due to their legal status.

    The funds, which are never reimbursed and therefore remain with the federal government, total hundreds of millions of dollars each year when factoring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants that live in the country, according to official estimates.



    © 1999-2003 Atlanta Latino Inc. All Rights Reserved

    Immigration – Legal or Otherwise – No Solution to Social Security Problems
    April 26, 2001
    The Washington Post reports that illegal aliens are a boost to Social Security, since they pay billions in payroll taxes into the system but do not collect benefits for fear of deportation. From 1990-1998, it is estimated that more than $20 billion in payroll taxes were paid by undocumented workers.

    Regardless of whether this is good public policy, we should have no illusions that payroll taxes from illegal aliens will do much to address Social Security's pending funding gaps. In the year 2016, the first in which Social Security taxes will be insufficient to cover promised benefits, its payroll tax shortfall will equal $17.5 billion in today's dollars, far more than the nearly $4 billion in undocumented payroll taxes that flowed into Social Security in 1998. By 2020, the gap rises to over $99 billion.

    So it is clear that these "taxes without taxpayers" will do little for Social Security. Others argue, however, that we can buttress Social Security's finances through increases in legal immigration. More new taxpayers, they say, means more money flowing into the system. Of course, these legal workers will one day become legal beneficiaries of Social Security, so much of the benefits of immigration for Social Security solvency are lost. In fact, to keep Social Security solvent through 2075 by increasing immigration would require that we raise the current immigration rate of 900,000 annually to almost 4.7 million.

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    County Commissioner Bills Mexican Government For Illegal Aliens



    By Jon Hanian


    Commissioners sends Mexican government bill for "illegal aliens"


    Caldwell, ID -
    Thousands of migrant farm workers are here legally but many are here illegally. It was that portion of the migrant labor population that Canyon County Commissioner Robert Vasquez singled out for special attention today suggesting that the Mexican government should reimburse local taxpayers for their expenses. "My fellow American's, constituents, friends and neighbors expect their county commissioner to spend the taxes on services for American's not on illegal alien's healthcare, education or detention."

    That is why Vasquez today showed off a $2 million bill he is sending to the Mexican consulate in Salt Lake City. Vasquez says Canyon county has tallied up $1.4 million in housing illegal aliens in the county jail, and $575,000 on welfare services for illegal aliens over the last two years. "The reality is we are securing the borders of Iraq but we are not securing the borders of the United States, that is the reality."

    But officials with the Idaho Migrant Council say Vasquez is missing the point. They say without illegal aliens a lot of the crops here in this country would end up rotting in the ground, according to Dr. Albert Pacheco, the council's director. "They would, because no native born American wants to work for those wages to work for those conditions and I think historically if we look at it America it has been built and has prospered based on illegal immigration."

    Pacheco also suggests that Vasquez' use of words like "fight" and illegal "invasion" is subtle hate speech. "I think he is trying to pander to the racism and the ignorance that still exists in this country."

    But at the Canyon County Jail illegal aliens are creating a financial burden according to Canyon County Sheriff George Nourse who is careful to point that many migrants (legal and illegal) are hard working decent people. Still, he says a good number of them end up in his jail funded by local taxpayers. "We had about 1200 illegal aliens go through our jail last year. And it does create a hardship and a burden on the justice system on our courts, the prosecutors office and the Sheriff's office."

    8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants live in the country, according to official estimates.





    Immigrants contributions are ignored

    By (EFE)

    03/17/2004
    Immigrant rights groups highlight the "immeasurable" support that immigrants offer and adamantly deny statements that millions of them are a "burden" on the country.

    Eugenio Arene, the executive director of the Council of Latino Agencies, told EFE that "it's obvious that economic growth in the United States in the 1980s, which continued in the 1990s, was due to the massive flow of the cheap, manual labor" of immigrants.

    "That cheap manual labor benefited the employers and communities where immigrants settled."

    Arene said that in those decades employers received a labor force of third world countries at a low cost, while the real estate industry was supported by the profits generated from high cost of housing.

    Arene said that "the economic contributions of immigrants between 22 to 30 years old will sustain retirement funds of people who were born during the ˜baby boom.'"

    Other entities have noted that millions of undocumented immigrants never claim income tax refunds that they earned by the IRS, due to their legal status.

    The funds, which are never reimbursed and therefore remain with the federal government, total hundreds of millions of dollars each year when factoring the 8 to 12 million undocumented immigrants that live in the country, according to official estimates.



    © 1999-2003 Atlanta Latino Inc. All Rights Reserved

    Immigration – Legal or Otherwise – No Solution to Social Security Problems
    April 26, 2001
    The Washington Post reports that illegal aliens are a boost to Social Security, since they pay billions in payroll taxes into the system but do not collect benefits for fear of deportation. From 1990-1998, it is estimated that more than $20 billion in payroll taxes were paid by undocumented workers.

    Regardless of whether this is good public policy, we should have no illusions that payroll taxes from illegal aliens will do much to address Social Security's pending funding gaps. In the year 2016, the first in which Social Security taxes will be insufficient to cover promised benefits, its payroll tax shortfall will equal $17.5 billion in today's dollars, far more than the nearly $4 billion in undocumented payroll taxes that flowed into Social Security in 1998. By 2020, the gap rises to over $99 billion.

    So it is clear that these "taxes without taxpayers" will do little for Social Security. Others argue, however, that we can buttress Social Security's finances through increases in legal immigration. More new taxpayers, they say, means more money flowing into the system. Of course, these legal workers will one day become legal beneficiaries of Social Security, so much of the benefits of immigration for Social Security solvency are lost. In fact, to keep Social Security solvent through 2075 by increasing immigration would require that we raise the current immigration rate of 900,000 annually to almost 4.7 million.

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    • #3
      THEY SHOULD LET THE MEXICAN PEOPLE BECOME LEAGLE WITHOUT SUCH HASSELS.. THEN THEY TO WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY TAXES.....

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      • #4
        THEY SHOULD LET THE MEXICAN PEOPLE BECOME LEAGLE WITHOUT SUCH HASSELS.. THEN THEY TO WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY TAXES.....
        LOL, thats a good laugh.

        Most illegals file for taxes for one and only reason, to get the refund. Some even get refund even though they don't pay a single taxes.

        Illegals, just like other low-incomes person, is a burden to the other taxpayer in the current tax system. They consume more than they contribute to the country.

        On a different note, I heard the Mexican govt is instituting new method to allow Mexicans in US (including illegals) to send money back to Mexico, with govt assistance. You ever heard about this acelaw?

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        • #5
          My illegal husband and I filed taxes jointly this year and we had to PAY $800.00. If I would have just filed as married filing single, we would have had to pay a much smaller amount. Not that any of that matters to you. You have a certain picture in your mind of the greedy, law-breaking foreigner, and you will find every possible excuse to hate him...........I don't know why I even bother. There are plenty of people in the world that hate Americans, and they have PLENTY of things that they think justify thier hate. You aren't any different. If you want to go around blaming our problems on "illegal aliens" fine. Don't get upset about people abroad, especially Europeans, who blame the majority of the worlds problems on US.
          Have a nice day

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          • #6
            Are illegals the source to all the problems in this country? Of course not, thats stupid to even think of that. But denying that they don't represent a problem for this country is just as foolish.

            And Glubhirne, your example is just one of the many situation and scenario. In your scenario, filing taxes jointly will help your husband waiver process as described by USCIS. For many illegals who doesn't share your circumstances (and there're plenty of them), the only reason they have to file taxes is to get refund. Why else would they do something that won't benefit them?

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            • #7
              The Internal Revenue Service receives millions of tax filings each year from illegal aliens "” even helping illegals file their forms by giving them Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers. But under federal law, the IRS (more news | Web) is prohibited from sharing its data with other agencies.

              "The internal revenue code really does not differentiate between legal or illegal status," said IRS representative Patricia Kirk.

              ITINs are used in place of Social Security numbers on tax returns. One tax preparer said he frequently hands out ITINs to help hundreds of illegals file their returns.

              "Not only can they actually file a tax return, but they can actually meet their rights and responsibilities as taxpayers and also enjoy some of the benefits that taxpayers enjoy," said Salvador Gonza*** of the Midwest Tax Clinic. "Some of them get money back. Some of them pay."

              Since 1996, the IRS has handed out over 6 million ITINs, and some illegal immigrants hope by using the ITINs to file tax returns, they can show they are deserving of citizenship.

              But at least one immigration group charges that the ITINs are merely a way for illegals to skirt the law and try to legitimize living inside the country.

              "The federal government should not be doing a single thing to help these illegal aliens remain in the United States. They should be focusing their efforts like a laser beam on finding and deporting illegal aliens," said David Ray of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

              While the IRS can't share its information on tax filers with any other governmental agency "” including the Department of Homeland Security, which recently took over duties of policing illegal aliens "” immigrants continue to enter the country by avoiding the legal channels.

              "It is another example of a schizophrenic federal government that hasn't quite decided what it is going to do about illegal immigration," Ray said.

              Gonzales said he is pleased that illegal aliens are not only participating in the country's growth, but are being protected according to the laws of the land.

              "This is the law. The law says that if you earn income in the United States you are required to pay income tax and you are required to file an income tax return," he said.

              While the debate rages, illegal immigrants continue to dump income taxes into the federal coffers. The latest data shows that two years ago, tax filers with ITINs sent the IRS $300 million in taxes.

              Fox News' Steve Brown contributed to this report

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              • #8
                Interesting, isn't it? The IRS says it issued about 6 million ITINs, but that only about 2 million of them were used to file taxes. Now, just why could anyone want an ITIN if they don't pay taxes? Could it be because the ITIN used to be given on a card (the IRS recently changed this and now gives a letter), and has nine numbers, so that it looks like a SS number to employers unfamiliar with gov't. documents? And could it be unscrupulous illegal aliens use the ITIN numbers wherever a SSN is called for, i.e. getting jobs, college applications, services, etc.?

                And while we're at it, that $300 million could just as easily have been paid in by LEGAL residents--if illegal aliens hadn't taken jobs and driven wages down. And really isn't terribly much when you consider that Congress recently budgeted $1 BILLION just to pay hospitals in the SW stuck with unpaid bills from treating illegals.

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                • #9
                  Gluhbirne--I don't doubt that most of the world, including Europeans, blame their problems on us. They have a point, when it comes to things such as the war in Iraq. But we're a convenient scapegoat for dealing with unpleasant realities that are their own fault, too.

                  For example, just how would the Middle East be better off if Israel didn't exist? If the U.S. didn't support it? They Arab states would have to confront their own problems: overpopulation in some countries (and the oil states aren't overly generous to other Arab states either), cronyism, and generally grossly distorted income distributions. As for Mexico, well, its problems are due to the Europeans who have ruled it for centuries: overpopulation, a very small elite which owns most of the wealth, and rampant corruption. How much easier, as one Mexican woman did, to blame poverty in Mexico on the US, rather than the fact that she gave birth to 12 children she can't support, and won't or doesn't know how to fight for a government which will provide her family with basic services, including education.

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                  • #10
                    "a convenient scapegoat for dealing with unpleasant realities that are their own fault, too."

                    exactly
                    Have a nice day

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                    • #11
                      Come on please.........If you think that illegals are running around getting work with ITIN's, think again. The (former) card looks nothing like a Social Security card and employers, by law, must get a copy of the Soc Sec card. So, yes, they go down the street and buy a card.........Most people getting ITIN's are used as dependents if you look at the numbers so yes, only 2 million used them to file as most of the others were used as dependents, duh!! And, as you know, now you must file a return using the applicant as the filer or dependent so that problem has already been dealt with. I'll say again what I always say. DON'T HATE THE PLAYER; HATE THE GAME!! The U.S. allows all this to happen!!

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                      • #12
                        So Angie, if you forgot to lock your house and some burglar empty it dry. There's no one to blame but you isn't it? Even if they caught the burglar, they should be set free since the fault is clearly lies on you for leaving the door unlock.

                        Kinda ridiculous isn't it? Exactly how I perceive illegals and their supporter who kept blaming the US govt for all the illegal problem. At least many of them admit they're breaking the law and doing it to support their family. Those people I can understand to despite my belief that doesn't give them the right to break the law. Others who kept making excuse is a different story.

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                        • #13
                          Exactly, what you say is your perception of the situation. NOT MINE!!!!

                          My husband is a hardworking man who came here 8 years ago and worked the same job ever since. Yes, he broke the law when he came but certainly doesn't fit your distorted stereotype of an illegal alien. I see no similarity in your ridiculous house anology!!

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                          • #14
                            Ridiculous house analogy? Lets see, illegals coming to the US by eluding the border patrol and then stay in the US, while doing so taking jobs from USC as well as putting burden to other taxpayers. Now when critized and persecuted, some blame the US govt for allowing it to happen. Whats so different with a thieves breaking into the house, stealing the content and when caught, blaming the owner for not protecting its house any better?
                            Let me ask you this, in your opinion, don't you think your husband should be pardon for his mistake and allow to stay in the US?
                            Like I said, at least you admit your husband broke the law. Just realize there're consequences for breaking the law. If everyone make a mockery of the law then whats the point of having one? Why not just open the border and let all comes in. Want to see how long before this country disintegrates and becomes bankrupt?

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                            • #15
                              Angie--Actually, Angie, the resemblance is precisely the reason the IRS is giving for changing the card to a letter. It also sent out letters to state DMV's warning them that the ITIN is not a secure number, and not to be used for identification. So, the IRS sure thinks the resemblance is a problem.

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