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    Washington Post on the Nativist Agenda in the Immigration Debate.

    Thursday, December 13, 2007

    Interesting article I have found on the NDN Blog regarding the political frenzy which has been whipped up regarding Immigration in this years campaign season. Newest studies from the Pew Hispanic Center, and statistics from the FBI Hatecrimes Database are showing that the number of hatecrimes and instances of other hate-fueled discriminations, have grown exponentially in the last year, as a result of a virulently anti immigrant atmosphere, which is propelled further by the GOP, who see the lives of our Immigrant Neighbors as a toy they can play with, (Judging from their rhetoric thus far) in order to garner votes from a conservative republican populace. Meanwhile, simultaneously, Democrats are appearing to avoid the topic of immigration reform at all cost, and waffle continuously.

    While Congress has failed to pass any meaningful immigration reform, all talk of future resolution seems to almost exclude any compassionate/logical path to legalization, or amnesty for those immigrants here now, and concentrate almost entirely on enforcement only measures, which appeal to a anti immigrant agenda, while Immigrant Lives, and Civil Liberties, and Basic Human Compassion, have come under increasing attack in our nation.

    It is time that America started looking very closely at this issue, it is time for people to wake up, and take a very close look at the true statistics in this debate, and stopped listening to rhetoric and false information circulated by the Numbers USA, FAIR hategroups, and asked themselves some serious questions.

    1. Who are being effected by the anti immigrant climate in the US? Undocumented Immigrants only? Statistics prove otherwise.

    2. In a political climate in which our possible participation in Torture (i.e Waterboarding) is such a hot topic, how can we simultaneously decry torture as a human rights violation, and approve of enforcement only techniques to the immigration debate which would tear families apart, put them in deportation centers (prisons), strip away their access to emergency medical care, and housing, leaving many Immigrants in increasingly destitute, hopeless, and untenable conditions? This "Smoke em out" mentality is, make no mistake, just another form of torture, and yet another form of human rights violations.

    3. Who are the groups/individuals driving this current anti immigrant/xenophobic (and racist) agenda? Groups like Numbers USA, and FAIR who have been founded by blatant racists with ties to Neo Nazi Groups (See this wonderful article at Hat City Blog)

    4. With these being the case, how can we continue to turn our eyes away from this subject, or allow our leaders to do so? Time to turn up the heat, people. For more information on how to become involved, please contact us and we will add you to our mailing list for all upcoming Stop the Raids events.

  • #2
    Originally posted by ProudUSC:
    Washington Post on the Nativist Agenda in the Immigration Debate.

    Thursday, December 13, 2007

    Interesting article I have found on the NDN Blog regarding the political frenzy which has been whipped up regarding Immigration in this years campaign season. Newest studies from the Pew Hispanic Center, and statistics from the FBI Hatecrimes Database are showing that the number of hatecrimes and instances of other hate-fueled discriminations, have grown exponentially in the last year, as a result of a virulently anti immigrant atmosphere, which is propelled further by the GOP, who see the lives of our Immigrant Neighbors as a toy they can play with, (Judging from their rhetoric thus far) in order to garner votes from a conservative republican populace. Meanwhile, simultaneously, Democrats are appearing to avoid the topic of immigration reform at all cost, and waffle continuously.

    While Congress has failed to pass any meaningful immigration reform, all talk of future resolution seems to almost exclude any compassionate/logical path to legalization, or amnesty for those immigrants here now, and concentrate almost entirely on enforcement only measures, which appeal to a anti immigrant agenda, while Immigrant Lives, and Civil Liberties, and Basic Human Compassion, have come under increasing attack in our nation.

    It is time that America started looking very closely at this issue, it is time for people to wake up, and take a very close look at the true statistics in this debate, and stopped listening to rhetoric and false information circulated by the Numbers USA, FAIR hategroups, and asked themselves some serious questions.

    1. Who are being effected by the anti immigrant climate in the US? Undocumented Immigrants only? Statistics prove otherwise.

    2. In a political climate in which our possible participation in Torture (i.e Waterboarding) is such a hot topic, how can we simultaneously decry torture as a human rights violation, and approve of enforcement only techniques to the immigration debate which would tear families apart, put them in deportation centers (prisons), strip away their access to emergency medical care, and housing, leaving many Immigrants in increasingly destitute, hopeless, and untenable conditions? This "Smoke em out" mentality is, make no mistake, just another form of torture, and yet another form of human rights violations.

    3. Who are the groups/individuals driving this current anti immigrant/xenophobic (and racist) agenda? Groups like Numbers USA, and FAIR who have been founded by blatant racists with ties to Neo Nazi Groups (See this wonderful article at Hat City Blog)

    4. With these being the case, how can we continue to turn our eyes away from this subject, or allow our leaders to do so? Time to turn up the heat, people. For more information on how to become involved, please contact us and we will add you to our mailing list for all upcoming Stop the Raids events.
    Well for starters you can thank Calderon, LuLac, LaRaza, ACLU, soaring crime rates courtesy of illegal alien crime sprees against Americans, the legal immigrants who support invaders simply because they share a race; those who delusionally think because they crawled through a hole in the border fence it entitles them to all of the freebies they can scam for and get away with and all of those other special interest groups and individuals playing the race card to advance their financially lucrative agendas.

    Oh and marching down the streets demanding everything but the kitchen sink in Spanish while waiving the rag of the country that encourages them to invade the US didn't create the intimidation they thought it would, it merely served to p-iss off Americans and draw attention to the invasion.

    There's 2 sides to every story. If illegal aliens would go home instead of exacerbating the problem by perpetually commiting crimes of all dimensions and refusing to leave the problem would be solved.
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      • #4
        STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. CONTINUE THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, AS ENDORSED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THANK YOU TO THE AGENTS OF I.C.E. FOR WHAT THE APOLOGISTS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS TERM RAIDS :-)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SunDevilUSA:
          STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. CONTINUE THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, AS ENDORSED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THANK YOU TO THE AGENTS OF I.C.E. FOR WHAT THE APOLOGISTS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS TERM RAIDS :-)
          Couldn't have said it any better!

          Let's not forget the OBL traitors running for President:

          Huckabee Shamnesty for Illegal Aliens
          Thursday, 13 December 2007
          by William Gheen
          President of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
          ALIPAC
          In August of 2005, I was called for an interview by THV-TV News out of Little Rock Arkansas to comment on Governor Mike Huckabee's comments complaining about an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raid on local chicken plants, which resulted in the arrest of 119 illegal aliens. What I said during the interview is even more relevant today "Governor Huckabee is known nationally as an illegal alien's best friend!"

          At the time, Mike Huckabee was known nationally for supporting in-state tuition for illegal aliens, which is massively opposed by American voters four to one! This plan forces American taxpayers to subsidize tuition for illegal aliens, thus replacing American students in the limited seats in colleges, while providing the wrong message and encouraging more people to illegally immigrate and bring their children into the U.S. to be trained for jobs, it is illegal for them to have!
          The fact that Mike Huckabee would support a policy change despised by 80% of those he swore to represent in public office says a lot about what we could expect from the man as President.

          Furthermore, his open denouncement of ICE raids in Arkansas is probably the result of his heavy financial support from Open Borders corporations like Tyson Foods. In Arkansas, the chicken processing lobby is so powerful they call it "Big Chicken".

          While the public was cheering the raids, Tyson Foods was upset about ICE raids and so was their bought and paid for politician Mike Huckabee!

          Tyson Foods Inc., has their global headquarters located in Springdale, Arkansas and they are the worlds largest processor and marketer of chicken, beef, and pork. They were large contributors to Mike Huckabee as Governor and now their federal political action committee, TYPAC, is backing his campaign for President.

          Tyson Foods Inc. is one of the most egregious corporate violators of our Federal laws against hiring illegals in America!

          In 2003, the U.S. Justice Department claimed that 15 Tyson plants in nine states had been conspiring since 1994 to recruit illegal immigrants, and that this practice was known by senior executives at Tyson corporate headquarters. It was determined in court that Tyson managers had been intentionally working with organized crime elements and temporary service agencies to import illegal alien workers, replace their American workers, and drive down wages. Tyson agreed to join the basic pilot program to screen new employees in 2004, but later raids continued to find large numbers of illegal aliens working for Tyson!

          Earlier this year, the company supported the thrice-failed "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" amnesties that were pushed in the U.S. Senate. These legislative attempts to legalize Tyson's illegal labor workforce failed due to massive public opposition with Zogby polls showing only 3% of Americans approving of how Congress was handling the issue! The backlash was so massive that angry calls to lawmakers, which were ranging 50 to 1 opposed, overloaded and shut down the entire Capital phone system!

          Mike Huckabee is now experiencing a surge in the polls as GOP core voters continue to abandon John McCain and Rudy Giuliani for their pro Amnesty pro illegal alien records and stances. This is bringing Huckabee's immigration stances into the limelight for scrutiny and his campaign is fully aware that missteps on this issue can send him back down the ladder like McCain and Giuliani.

          That is why his campaign has released the "The Secure America Plan" which details his 9-point plan to facilitate the "enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population"

          This is exactly what America wants to hear, America wants to hear about reducing the number or illegal aliens in America. Americans want illegal aliens to return to their home nations as current law dictates!

          However, there is a big problem with Huckabee's plan. While most of the provisions will be positively received by the American public, especially voters, his promises to crack down on employers, build a fence, and bolster the border patrol are all nullified by positions number 3 and 9.

          Huckabee makes it clear that illegal aliens will have to leave the U.S. However, what he is advocating is the 'touch back' provision which was a trick fielded by the supporters of the failed "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" amnesty bills in the U.S. Senate this year.

          In position #9, Huckabee says he would increase visas and expedite immigration processes so "those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American Dream"

          Such changes would clearly increase legal immigration levels, which already stand at 1.4 million per year, making America the most generous nation in the world for legal immigration. The majority of the American public, while generally supportive of legal immigrants, is in no mood for such a massive expansion of legal immigration levels considering the intense public backlash against illegal immigration.

          Huckabee's intent to expedite legal immigration ties into the real problem with his plan. This is revealed in item #3, where he would grant amnesty to illegal aliens by having them sign up with the government and then leave the U.S. for a day or two and later on pick up new documents across the border to walk back in and say "Look at me! I came in legally this time!"

          What a devilish farce! Millions of illegal aliens in America would quickly have no fear of immigration law enforcement and would be on the "path to citizenship" receiving benefits at the taxpayers' expense. This provision would in effect nullify all of the other immigration enforcement promises of Mike Huckabee.

          The mere fact that Mike Huckabee's campaign is imitating the tactics that the pro Amnesty lobby in Washington, DC deployed earlier this year tells us exactly who he serves and that he is willing to try and deceive the American public to accomplish his political agenda! Mike Huckabee has is now promoting the Pence Plan that we call SHAMNESTY!

          One more President like that in the White House and we can kiss America goodbye. We will have millions of illegal aliens who have become untouchable by immigration authorities and millions more on the way once America has shown she is defenseless against the Global corporations pushing this agenda!

          It gets worse, according to Michelle Malkin's article "Meet the GOP's Border Control Cross-Dressers" (Dec. 11, 2007) Huckabee joins McCain and Guiliani on the dishonest pro amnesty politician front!

          It appears that Mike Huckabee has been pandering to the Open Borders Hispanic racist group LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens), where he has promised them an 'open door' policy. He has also criticized state legislators in Arkansas who wanted to require proof of citizenship to register to vote! That really takes the cake when you think about the fact Mike Huckabee wants illegal aliens to be able to vote!

          Even more disturbing is Mike Huckabee's decision to follow the deplorable lead of Senator's Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy by deriding Americans who are concerned about illegal immigration and opposed to the Senate AMNESTY bills as "driven by racism or nativism."

          In an attempt to build street credibility, the Huckabee campaign claims they were inspired to create their plan from an article by Center for Immigration Studies (Cis.org) Mark Krikorian. While Mr. Krikorian is renowned for his concepts of attrition enforcement, he is opposed to the Touchback amnesty provisions Huckabee's team built in as this measure would nullify all of the other enforcement provisions listed! Mr. Krikorian, while cited as a source by Mike Huckabee's team, would probably call the plan another "No Amnesty Amnesty".

          Mike Huckabee is clearly an Open Borders fanatic.

          This is why there is a shockwave moving through the immigration enforcement movement after hearing of the endorsement of the Huckabee campaign by Co-Founder of the original Minuteman Project, Jim Gilchrist.

          The embarrassing truth is that Jim Gilchrist has forced distance between himself and the vast majority of other groups and leaders in the immigration enforcement movement over the last year because of his egotistical, unstable, destructive, and growingly bizarre behavior. His behind the scenes actions have created a great deal of alarm from groups such as ALIPAC who were a part of the original Minuteman effort and who have supported Mr. Gilchrist in the past.

          After Jim Gilchrist split with co-founder Chris Simcox of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, he quickly made enemies out of any group that refused to take a side in the conflict. He would not respect the neutrality of other sovereign groups and adopted an "with us or against us" stance that drove many away.

          Jim Gilchrist's last attempt to muster Minutemen volunteers fell apart during the Laredo Texas operations he launched. While the opening day had many attendees, within one week there were less than ten volunteers on the border and Gilchrist himself was not even present most of the time.

          Since that time, Jim has been engaged in a bitter battle against the Executive Board of his 501(c) organization after they terminated him from his position as director, which has thrown the whole organization into court battles. While most of our movement was neck deep in the battle against the Senate "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" amnesty bills, Gilchrist was busy sending out his next wave of bitter e-mails decrying the actions of the "hijackers" of his organization.

          Many of us in the movement have been keeping quiet about these problems, the threatening e-mails, and personal attacks, hoping that Jim Gilchrist would fade into the background, where his reckless behavior and failed organization could do no further harm to the movement, which is much bigger than Minuteman. We had hoped that his initial contributions to the cause in Minuteman 1 could be saved from his actions of late. Today, the rest of the nation is painfully learning what we know about Jim Gilchrist, due to his endorsement of pro amnesty Open Borders Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.

          Since the Minuteman Project is a tax-free nonprofit organization, which is prohibited by law from endorsing candidates, one has to wonder why Jim Gilchrist is making endorsements for President, which will surely be challenged by other Presidential campaigns and pro amnesty groups.

          Perhaps Jim just skimmed over the Huckabee plan like many Americans will do and fell for the bait? It is likely that he was so happy to hear from a Presidential campaign in the midst of his isolation that he jumped at the opportunity to be relevant again?

          Jim Gilchrist and Mike Huckabee have made a terrible mistake by supporting a Presidential campaign which has stances in favor of "touchback" amnesty for illegal aliens, benefits for illegal aliens, voting access for illegal aliens, "comprehensive immigration reform" amnesty, expanded visa programs, and more legal immigration. They are both attempting to give the illegal aliens, the US Chamber of Commerce, and their supporting groups like Tyson Foods, LULAC, and La Raza exactly what they want, while trying to dupe the American public.

          As Americans representing the 80% of our fellow countrymen and women who oppose this radical Open Borders agenda, we must do all we can to expose Mike Huckabee's true stances and record. We must also make it clear to Jim Gilchrist that he has just erased any positive contributions he may have made in the past to the immigration enforcement movement by lending his support to an 'Illegal Alien's best friend'.

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          Mike Huckabee's Shamnesty for Illegal Aliens! Forum
          http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?nam...topic&p=549784
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          • #6
            Police seize cocaine, cash and arrest 3 in drug ring
            Posted by Jesse Tinsley December 12, 2007 23:17PM
            Categories: Breaking News, Crime

            Local, state and federal law enforcement agencies arrested three Mexican nationals and seized 14 kilos of cocaine after a month-long international investigation, authorities said Wednesday.

            A vehicle and $80,000 cash were also confiscated. Cleveland police Lt. John Stacho said the trio arrested were representatives of two separate competing drug-trafficking organizations based in Sinaloa, Mexico.

            Arrested on drug trafficking charges were Heriberto Gastelum-Calderon, Pedro Alvarez Corral and Delphin Feliciano Perez, who are in federal custody.

            The investigation was conducted by the Cleveland Police Department, Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Office, Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, FBI, and several other municipalities.

            http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007..._cash_and.html
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            • #7
              UFCW Members Stand With AZ Workers For Humane & Fair Immigration Policies

              PHOENIX"”The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW) and UFCW Local 99 today held a community forum with Arizona workers to discuss how a failed national immigration policy has caused widespread confusion and fear among workers and their families . At a community meeting today, UFCW leaders discussed the country's failed immigration system, which has resulted in massive disruption of economics and business operations. Today's event is part of a national series of community outreach events designed to bring people together, celebrate unity, and defend the rights of legal residents, citizens and workers.

              "We have seen federal agents routinely violate the 4th Amendment rights of workers during massive workplace raids across the country," said Mark Lauritsen, UFCW International Vice President. "Until national leaders fix our country's immigration system, our local communities will be torn apart, and the constitutional rights of citizens and legal residents will be routinely violated. Our country desperately requires a framework for moving forward, humanely and comprehensively, to fix our immigration system. Broken enforcement is exacerbating a broken immigration system. We stand with the Phoenix community to question whether local police officers will be able to enforce immigration laws without exposing the city residents to racial profiling, discrimination and violating civil rights."

              Among those who spoke at the meeting were UFCW workers who"”one year ago, on December 12, 2006 (the Feast Day of Our Lady of Guadalupe, a Mexican religious celebration)"”were illegally detained at meatpacking plants in five states in workplace raids carried out by federal agents at Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). More than 12,000 meatpacking workers"”including citizens, legal residents and immigrants in the process of legalization"”were swept up in ICE raids at six meat packing plants. The UFCW represents workers at five of the plants, including Worthington, Minn.; Greeley, Colo.; Cactus, Tex.; Marshalltown, Iowa; and Grand Island, Neb.

              "It is disgraceful how law enforcement officials violate basic human rights just because our government cannot fix the immigration system," said Maria Acosta of Phoenix, who works at Food City grocery store and is a member of Hungry for Respect, a group of employees fighting for better rights in the workplace.

              "I was interrogated and detained for hours just because federal agents thought I was breaking immigration laws," said Pasqual Talamantes, a UFCW meatpacking worker from Grand Island, Neb. "They were handcuffing us and holding guns. I told them I was a citizen, born here in the United States, and they did not believe me."

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              • #8
                The race card no longer works, so now deportation of illegals has switched to being a matter of humanitarian rights?

                Seems to me they need to be at home protesting the inhumane treatment of their individual governments in their homelands since that is the reason they have invaded America illegally and we can't get rid of them.

                Cowardess is not an excuse to demand the rights and benefits of citizens when you are in someone elses homeland and here by choice.

                Major drug bust in Kearns nets 3 arrests, meth, cash, cars, guns
                By Pat Reavy
                Deseret Morning News
                Published: Saturday, Dec. 8, 2007 12:35 a.m. MST
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                Three people were arrested, and drugs, cash, weapons and vehicles were seized in what law enforcers are calling one of the biggest drug busts ever in Utah.

                "These are the highest-level people you can have in the United States," Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Michael Root said of those arrested. "These are the highest-level players for Utah."

                The DEA, Salt Lake City Narcotics Task Force, Utah County Major Crimes Task Force, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Utah Motor Vehicle Enforcement, Utah Highway Patrol and Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office worked jointly in the investigation that culminated in a search warrant served Thursday morning in Kearns. Based on what was found at that house, several more search and seizures were conducted throughout the day.

                By the end of Thursday, two adults and one juvenile were arrested, and agents seized 1.5 pounds of methamphetamine, about $500,000 cash, four weapons and eight vehicles.

                The bust was the result of a nine-month investigation that began with another drug bust in Kearns. That bust yielded 13 pounds of meth, Root said.

                Investigators said this group was one of the largest suppliers of meth in the Salt Lake area.

                "They were a major organization for Salt Lake," Root said. "They were moving 20 to 30 pounds of meth up into the Salt Lake area every couple of weeks. This is one of the biggest ones we've come across."
                The drugs were manufactured in so-called super labs in Mexico before being shipped to Utah, Root said. One of the adults and the 15-year-old boy arrested were U.S. citizens. The other adult was a Mexican national. Additional arrests were pending Friday

                http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695234323,00.html
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                • #9
                  New York Times
                  Editorial
                  Stop the Raids
                  Published: October 4, 2007

                  Armed squads bursting into homes in the dead of night with shotguns and automatic weapons, terrorizing families and taking away anyone who lacks identity papers, even if they have raided the wrong house. It may sound like Baghdad, but it is the suburbs of New York City, the latest among hundreds of communities around the country where federal agents have been invading homes and workplaces in search of immigrants to deport.

                  Federal officials say the raids are a focused campaign to catch gang members and other fugitives. That would be good if Immigration and Customs Enforcement were carefully extracting the dangerous criminal sliver from a population of 12 million illegal immigrants. But as immigration raids have vastly increased, they have become something murky and ugly.

                  ICE is catching modest numbers of undesirables, but also a much larger by-catch of peaceable immigrants. Its agents have set off waves of fear and outrage, not only among illegal immigrants, but among citizens whose privacy and security they have violated, through unchecked aggression, carelessness and incompetence.

                  Last week, dozens of federal agents fanned out across Nassau County, Long Island, to execute warrants on accused gang members. County Executive Thomas Suozzi and Police Commissioner Lawrence Mulvey were so dismayed that they have refused to cooperate on further raids until ICE gets its act together.

                  They described a seriously botched "cowboy" operation by dozens of ICE agents "” some in cowboy hats "” who had not trained together, used inappropriate weapons and mistakenly drew them on Nassau officers. They said that ICE misled them "” that what was supposed to be a targeted gang crackdown was actually something much more sloppy and indiscriminate. They said the agency ignored repeated invitations to check its list of targets against Nassau's up-to-date gang records and ended up raiding many wrong homes.

                  The raids were stunningly ineffective. Nassau says they caught only 6 of 96 fugitives. ICE, using a looser definition of "gang member," said it got 13 in Nassau and 15 in neighboring Suffolk. There, Peggy De La Rosa-Delgado, an American citizen, said her Huntington Station home was raided by mistake last Thursday at 5:30 a.m. It was the second predawn raid looking for the same man at the same wrong address. Her husband and three teenage sons, legal residents, were terrified, she said.

                  ICE officials callously shrug off such mistakes as collateral damage, but advocates for immigrants have filed a class-action lawsuit asserting that recent raids in the New York City area were unreasonable searches conducted by agents who did not show warrants and misidentified themselves as police officers. Mr. Suozzi has written to the Homeland Security secretary, Michael Chertoff, asking him to investigate the Nassau debacle.

                  Mr. Suozzi deserves praise for having the courage to oppose mindless immigration enforcement while affirming a commitment to sane policing and public safety. President Bush has repeatedly insisted that the undocumented immigrants cannot, and will not, be rounded up. He and Mr. Chertoff must stop these reckless raids.

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                  • #10
                    so now deportation of illegals has switched to being a matter of humanitarian rights?

                    Seems to me they need to be at home protesting the inhumane treatment of their individual governments in their homelands since that is the reason they have invaded America illegally and we can't get rid of them.

                    Cowardess is not an excuse to demand the rights and benefits of citizens when you are in someone elses homeland and here by choice.

                    Excellent choice of words to describe the real situation at hand.

                    perhaps wimpy and lazy should be added to Cowardess. If these same efforts and energy being put forth in this country were demonstrated in their own... They just might find a change in their government and living standards. Yes it will take time and effort to get results... but it will be their long term investement.



                    Wow.. meth is such a nasty drug.Now we will have a city running around with bad teeth/no teeth. DENTISTS Right to Work" eh

                    BTW.. isnt UTAH(Prosac epidemic City) one of the main states opening their arms to undocumented and otherwise illegals? giving drivers license and benefits etc?

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                    • #11
                      Families Sue Otero County Sheriffs Over Illegal Immigration Raids (10/17/2007)


                      Civil rights groups say sheriffs "broke trust" with community


                      LAS CRUCES, NM"”Civil rights groups sued the Otero County Sheriff's Department today for civil rights violations committed during immigration sweeps last September in the southern New Mexico town of Chaparral. On behalf of five Latino families, the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund (MALDEF) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of New Mexico charged sheriff's deputies with raiding homes without search warrants, interrogating families without evidence of criminal activity, and targeting households on the basis of race and ethnicity. The groups seek monetary damages and guarantees that the sheriff's department will refrain from such raids in the future.

                      "Otero County Sheriffs broke a basic bond of trust with the community of Chaparral," said ACLU Executive Director Peter Simonson. "When the police treat you like a criminal because of the language you speak and the color of your skin, they cease being a source of help when you are a victim of or witness to a crime. We need to restore policing to its proper mission in Chaparral so citizens and immigrants alike can trust that someone is watching out for their safety."

                      Legal papers filed by the two groups describe an incident in which sheriff's deputies ousted a family from its home by banging loudly on the home's walls in the pre-dawn hours of September 10, 2007. Without a warrant, one sheriff's deputy attempted to enter through an open bedroom window where the mother had been asleep, while another shouted from the front door, "Delivery! Mia's Pizza."

                      Five of the family members are named plaintiffs in the lawsuit, two of whom are U.S citizens.

                      MALDEF Staff Attorney David Urias said, "The enforcement of immigration laws is strictly a responsibility of the federal government. Sheriff's deputies are not immigration officers and do not have the authority or the training to investigate or arrest people because they suspect them of being undocumented. In Otero County, Sheriff's deputies are taking federal law into their own hands and violating the rights of Latinos, including citizens and legal permanent residents. These raids are simply illegal and un-American."

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                      • #12
                        Hey proud,
                        Maybe you should rename this thread to "has anyone READ the fourth amendment"????????
                        Geez, what else can you say???
                        To those who don't understand, no explanation is sufficient.

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                        • #13
                          Excerpt


                          Fourth Amendment protects the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures.' The essence of that protection is a prohibition against some modes of law enforcement because the cost of police intrusion into personal liberty is too high, even though the intrusion undoubtedly would result in an enormous boon to the public if the efficient apprehension of criminals were the sole criterion to be considered. 'The easiest course for [law enforcement] officials is not always one that our Constitution allows them to take.' Wolfish, 441 U.S. at 595 (Stevens, dissenting).


                          <span class="ev_code_RED">A permanent resident alien is entitled to constitutional protection. See Landon v. Plasencia, 459 U.S. 21, 32-4 ('82)</span> ('[O]nce an alien gains admission to our country and begins to develop the ties that go with permanent residence, his constitutional status changes accordingly.'). In particular, to Fourth Amendment protection against unlawful seizures. See Benitez-Mendez v. INS, 760 F.2d 907, 09-10 (9th Cir.'85) (finding that INS seizure of alien violated Fourth Amendment); see also INS v. Delgado, 466 U.S. 210, 213 n.1, 215-21 ('84) (considering whether questioning of resident aliens by INS agents amounted to seizure for purposes of Fourth Amendment); Martinez v. Nygaard, 831 F.2d 822, 824, 826-28 (9th Cir.'87) (analyzing whether seizures of three resident aliens complied with Fourth Amendment).



                          I looked for info protecting illegal and undocumented... but I couldnt find any

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                          • #14
                            4Now, I guess the Patriot Act supercedes the Constitution 4now:

                            Among its most severe problems, the bill

                            Diminishes personal privacy by removing checks on government power, specifically by

                            Making it easier for the government to initiate surveillance and wiretapping of U.S. citizens under the authority of the shadowy, top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. (Sections 101, 102 and 107)
                            Permitting the government, under certain circumstances, to bypass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court altogether and conduct warrantless wiretaps and searches. (Sections 103 and 104)
                            Sheltering federal agents engaged in illegal surveillance without a court order from criminal prosecution if they are following orders of high Executive Branch officials. (Section 106)
                            Creating a new category of "domestic security surveillance" that permits electronic eavesdropping of entirely domestic activity under looser standards than are provided for ordinary criminal surveillance under Title III. (Section 122)
                            Using an overbroad definition of terrorism that could cover some protest tactics such as those used by Operation Rescue or protesters at Vieques Island, Puerto Rico as a new predicate for criminal wiretapping and other electronic surveillance. (Sections 120 and 121)
                            Providing for general surveillance orders covering multiple functions of high tech devices, and by further expanding pen register and trap and trace authority for intelligence surveillance of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents. (Sections 107 and 124)
                            Creating a new, separate crime of using encryption technology that could add five years to any sentence for crimes committed with a computer. (Section 404)
                            Expanding nationwide search warrants so they do not have to meet even the broad definition of terrorism in the USA PATRIOT Act. (Section 125)
                            Giving the government secret access to credit reports without consent and without judicial process. (Section 126)
                            Enhancing the government's ability to obtain sensitive information without prior judicial approval by creating administrative subpoenas and providing new penalties for failure to comply with written demands for records. (Sections 128 and 129)
                            Allowing for the sampling and cataloguing of innocent Americans' genetic information without court order and without consent. (Sections 301-306)
                            Permitting, without any connection to anti-terrorism efforts, sensitive personal information about U.S. citizens to be shared with local and state law enforcement. (Section 311)
                            Diminishes public accountability by increasing government secrecy;
                            Terminating court-approved limits on police spying, which were initially put in place to prevent McCarthy-style law enforcement persecution based on political or religious affiliation. (Section 312)
                            Permitting searches, wiretaps and surveillance of United States citizens on behalf of foreign governments - including dictatorships and human rights abusers - in the absence of Senate-approved treaties. (Sections 321-22)

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                              quote: 4Now, I guess the Patriot Act supercedes the Constitution 4now:

                              I was being facetious.. sorry you took it seriously

                              Actually 4th amendment pretty much became a joke long before the patriot act ... back in 1984 when the first signs of illegal seizure were made availble using the drug selling issues....And america fell 4IT hook line and sinker because they thought it didnt have anything to do with them because they were not a drug dealer. The ignorance is so sad

                              No telling how many innocent people got caught up in that because your neighbor decided that "you must be a drug dealer." The Governments Right to Income......GOVERNMENT AUCTIONS better than ebay. free inventory... highest end luxury items.



                              Government on the Take

                              Private property falls victim to forfeiture laws

                              The Drug Enforcement Administration means business! Big business! As a matter of fact, the DEA and other agencies have made government into a "one-stop shopping" headquarters for almost anything of value. Do you need a car? A boat? An airplane? How about the whole airstrip? A house? A mobile home? A hotel? A motel? An apartment building? A ranch? A store? A laboratory? There is literally no limit to what government has for sale.

                              The reason for this is simple: According to the Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1984 the government may now seize -- without a warrant -- any property which it suspects has been used, or is intended to be used, to commit a crime. The property may then either be auctioned off, with the money going to the agency making the seizure, or retained by the agency for its own use. Cars, yachts, houses, and other property are made available to individuals who work for the agencies, many of them undercover agents who have to be able to blend in with the millionaire drug kingpins and racketeers they are trying to nab. Since 1989, the federal government has reported receiving more than $2.2 billion in forfeited assets.

                              It is a misconception that government agencies only seize property from drug dealers and criminals. According to the Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1984, the government may seize property without even alleging that a crime has been committed. About 80 percent of all property taken is lost by people who are never even charged with a crime. The allegation that the property was intended to be used in criminal activity is often sufficient.

                              There are two types of forfeiture: civil and criminal. Criminal forfeiture operates in personam, meaning against the criminal defendant, while civil forfeiture operates in rem, meaning "against the thing." The guilt of a property owner is of no relevance in determining the outcome of a civil forfeiture case. The legal theory behind civil forfeiture cases operates upon the fictional premise that the property itself has committed a crime. These kinds of cases give prosecutors an obvious advantage, since the property has no rights.

                              If the owner wishes to retrieve his property, he must take the government to court in a civil action, and thus bear the burden of proof. In the case where a crime has not been committed, the owner is required to demonstrate that he had no intent to use the property in a criminal act. In essence, the forfeited property is deemed "guilty" until the owner can prove it is innocent. The government dispenses with the procedural protection that is afforded in criminal matters by calling such a case a "civil" matter.

                              The seizures can be done without any pre-seizure judicial review and without probable cause. However, by thoroughly searching the property they have seized, law enforcement officials can sometimes find probable cause for the issuance of a warrant. The constitutional protection against "unreasonable searches and seizures" has been cast aside.

                              In fact, one crime might create two separate cases. One's car, plane, boat, or house may be "under arrest" in a criminal investigation. The owner may also be under arrest, but not necessarily. If someone other than the owner of the property commits the crime, this would still make the property "guilty," and thus subject to seizure from the innocent owner.

                              Lucrative Business

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                              http://home.pacbell.net/rsdotson/gov...tOnTheTake.htm

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