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  • Since the senate is for illegals and the house is against, who has more power?

    I thought both the house and the senate has to agree on a law for it to become law?

    Can the senate make up a law on its own, without the house of reps acceding?

    If not, why the excitement with what the senate is debating, yet the house may not approve?

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    I thought both the house and the senate has to agree on a law for it to become law?

    Can the senate make up a law on its own, without the house of reps acceding?

    If not, why the excitement with what the senate is debating, yet the house may not approve?

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    • #3
      The Senate is the deliberative body of Congress and is more tied to the elitists who run this country. It is referred to as the "Rich boys" club and wields more power than the more grassroots House of Reps. Reps are bound and are mainly concerned with appeasing their districs while Senators represent an entire state. It is a normally accepted fact that the Senate usually gets what it wants.

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      • #4
        The Specter bill and its addendum/revison the Hagel/Martinez proposal must be reconciled with the House bill.

        If the bill comes out of the Senate as expected and has the backing of the President, folks in the House will be hard pressed NOT to work towards reconciliation. Senators are already working with the house to ensure that any bill that passes the Senate has a strong chance at reconciliation.

        IMHO, House members are more vulnearable to IMMEDIATE pressure from the electorate, but these are all elected officials working in an election year.

        The American public wants SOMETHING done. Either way SOMETHING is gonna get done

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        • #5
          I think most Americans are against illegals being allowed to stay. Most want them sent back home.

          I think more illegals will flow into the US and wait the next amnesty to be given.
          Those who came after the 1986 amnesty are finally being rewarded.

          I think any immigrant who comes and tries to get a green card legally is a fool and the US government is busy conveying that message as we speak.

          The best and easiest way is to sneak in and just wait for the next amnesty or come on a visa and overstay. Its that simple.

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          • #6
            Hopefully this won't be the case Marasmus. I hope the get the biometric ID's out and the Employment Verification system up and running so we don't have to deal with this mess again.

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            • #7
              The senate is the most respected body in the world, so whatever the senate passes, the house goes along, specially when you have the G.O.P controlling both houses, which means you can not have g.o.p in the senate supporting something whyle g.o.p in the house support something else..They have the democrats to fight, so it would look terrible if they are caught fighting against each other.

              The fact that the G.O.P controlls both houses makes it 99.9% sure that the house will not reject the senate new immigration bill..This bill that is being passed by the senate is not a democratic bill, it is a bill supported by the g.o.p majority leader and most republicans..This facts alone, will push the house, which is also controll by G.O.P, to not filubuster the bill.

              There is only a small number of opposition to the senates bill, and im predicting that the senate bill will put huge pressure on this group and most house republicans to vote for the bill because their party leader, the president and the RNC, which is the umbrella for all G.O.P members, support the amnesty.

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              • #8
                It does not look like "amnesty" to me.

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                • #9
                  If you look at House-Senate conference reports of past several years , you will notice: House gets what it wanted in the first place by
                  a) passing a Bill demanding way too much of something,( while Senate passes fairly reasonable Bills),
                  b) then it "negotiates" between what it has already passed and what Senate has.

                  As long as Democrats don't capture at least one chamber of Congress, there won't be no comprehensive immigration reform.

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                  • #10
                    Immortale- you are always wrong...you said only enforcemnt-only would pass, but seems like everything have flipped and now, even the house aremt defending enforcement-only,and even house majority leader was stated has saying he would consider the comprehensive bill.

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                    • #11
                      Immortale- you are always wrong...
                      Milk is red


                      you said only enforcemnt-only would pass
                      I still maintain that.

                      but seems like everything have flipped and now
                      What has flipped?
                      Did Guest Worker program pass both Chambers?
                      Or did the prospect of passage of "Enforcement Only" Bills diminish?

                      even the house aremt defending enforcement-only,and even house majority leader was stated has saying he would consider the comprehensive bill.
                      You are making things up as usual.What Sesenbranner said was that "what comes out of House-Senate Conference won't be the worst of the both worlds".

                      Keeping in mind that "Guest Worker program" for illegals IS the "worst of both worlds" to a large number of House Representatives ( people close to Sesenbrenner call even the Kyl-Cornyn version no other way than "TREACHEROUS AMNESTY IN DISGUISE"), you can guess what he meant by "comprehensive".


                      Regards,
                      IE

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                      • #12
                        Immortale-you are a fool- if you knew anything, you would know That enforcement-only was murdered by the senate, and member of the house have publicly stated that they will have to NOW consider the guest worker program...Immortale, like ive told you, all house democrats are against enforcement-only and they all rallied to make sure sensenbrenner would not have the chance to knock down felony charge so that he could get mudered in the media...

                        AND SENSENBRENNER AND HIS ENFORVCEMENT-ONLY BILL GOT MURDERED IN THE PRESS AND BY RELIGIOUS GROUPS NATION WIDE..IF YOU SAY ENFORCEMENT-ONLY IS STILL ALIVE, THEN YOU ARE A FOOL..EVEN THE BIGGEST ENFORCEMENT-ONLY PROPONNENT REALIZED THE MISTAKE THEY MADE AND NOW, THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT..ENFORCEMENT-ONLY IS DEAD


                        ALSO, THE SENATE VOTED DOWN ENFORCEMENT-ONLY, BUT I GUES YOU DIDNT NOTICED THAT.

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                        • #13
                          The Senate had a real good chance of passing enforcement-only legislation last friday, but they declined to do so. The Frist bill, an enforcement only initiative, was very similar to the House bill and almost identical to the enforcement section of the Chairman's mark; very easy to reconcile with the House proposal.
                          IMHO the fact that the Senate didn't want to vote on that bill clearly sends a message that enforcement-only may not be what they're really after.

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                          • #14
                            ALSO, it is a known fact that most house members that voted for enforcement-only voted so because they were afraid to vote against anything that secured the border, but they knew that HR4437 had no shot in a million, to ever get enacted, so they did so knowing that this bill was unenforceable..

                            A day after the bill was passed, rep. Jeff Blake arrogantly told tom tancredo and his house crazies that he shouldnt be too quick to celebrate because his friends in the senate would not even look at it and would just throw it on the side and start working on their own bill, just like they are currently doing.

                            Whatever comes out of the house-senate hearing will definatly have a guest worker provision..this is 100% guaranteed, so for immortale to keep blabling about enforcement-only having a better shot, is just discusting..i dont know why this guy is still rooting for enforcement-only.

                            Matterfact, the senate wont even accept the kyl/cornyn guest worker program which is a report to deport guest worker provision, so why would they even look at a bill that is 10 fold worse then kyl/cornyn?

                            The president also, blasted harry reid for killing the compromise and im hearing that Bush will make sure that they get back at it as soon as they return from their recess.

                            So far, there havent been any talks of enforcement-only...enforcement + guest worker is whats being talked about....A bill that refuses to handle the 12 million undocumented immigrants thats currently in the US, HAS NO CHANCE OF EVER GETTING ENACTED BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WILL VETOE IT, WHY WOULD WOULD THEY EVEN BOTHER PASSING SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID HE WILL VETOE??

                            PLUS THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT IS A REPUBLICAN AND BOTH CONGRESSIONAL HOUSES ARE CONTROLL BY REPUBLICANS, SO THERE IS NO WAY THEY WILL EMBARRASS THEIR OWN PARTY LEADER LIKE THAT, I DONT CARE HOW LOW THE PRESIDENT RATINGS IS, THEY WILL NEVER DO THIS TO BUSH.

                            AND JUST LIKE SEN.FRIST REFUSED TO THROW KYL/CORNYN OVERBOARD EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE ON THE COMPROMISE, BY REFUSING TO ALLOW REID TO BLOCK THEIR AMENDMENTS, I DONT SEE REPUBLICANS SENDING BUSH AN ENFORCEMENT-ONLY BILL A EMBARRASS HIM LIKE THAT..THIS WOULD BE A VERY LOW BLOW TO DO THIS TO YOUR OWN PRESIDENT..HIS IS WHY ENFORCEMENT-ONLY HAS NO SHOT IN HELL TO GET ENACTED...

                            MAYBE IF BILL CLINTON WAS CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT AND BOTH HOUSES WERE UNDER G.O.P CONTROLL, THEN I COULD EASILY SEE BOTH G.O.P HOUSES SENDING HIM AN ENFORCEMENT-ONLY BILL JUST TO EMBARRASS HIM, BUT NOT WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS ON THE SAME PARTY.

                            SO PLEASE IMMORTALE, ENOUGHT OF YOUR PATHETIC TALKS.

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                            • #15
                              While I am not a fool, you seem to be determined to appear as one.

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