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  • A power struggle between white and Latino Population

    As we see Latino population is growing faster with vast migration and the high birth rate among the ones who are already in USA because of the lack of Higher Education. In next 20 to 25 years The Latino population will be majority but historically they will be under educated than White / Asian Indian / Chinese population. Moreover because of the lack of well-paid jobs they are very community and race oriented. If I see a Latino (Probably sure Mexican not Brazilian) President in USA because of their higher number of population I am not sure which direction this country will move to. Like we have seen in South Africa, Business and Corporations are dominated by Whites and Government is dominated by Blacks; in Malaysia Muslims are dominating the Government positions but all business are dominated by Chinese.
    I see this new low paid Latino immigration amnesty as a new version of slavery. Sure the Businesspeople will be happy if they find cheaper 3 dollar per hour labor without providing any benefits. I am sure those business people would be happier if they could find slaves where the expenses would be even less. Since it is not possible in 21 st century this immigration amenity will do for now.
    Have anyone ever thought when this low paid immigrants will become permanent Resident they are not getting any better pay check or benefit. So who will pay for their medical bills and other things like section 8 – the USA taxpayer.
    I think whatever is done by these low-paid workers – most of them can be done by technical advancement. Like you may avoid to have an extra maid if you have automatic scheduled washer/ cook etc which yet to be invented. This country needs to invent those to actually keep dominating the world technological market. But if you are used with cheap labor and do not feel to have advance machineries then there will be no market for it and no one will invent it either, cause no money to make from it.
    USA doesn't make the best car in the world anymore, they don't make the best passenger aircraft (since each day they are losing market to Airbus), they are not the best manufacturer of Electronics either, Only Pharmaceuticals (Which is actually shifting to India very fast) and Money Management (Personally I think this money management is a bubble like 2001, just waiting to be crashed).
    I am an immigrant too. So despite of what the future this new Latino population will bring to this country I will always welcome them since I know how it feels to be an illegal Alien. But thanks God I could fix my status. Just only advice to this new Latino population prove that I am wrong ( If I find I am wrong I will be happier) and please not be too much community oriented. Lets be all the same ( at least almost), American. God Bless America.

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    As we see Latino population is growing faster with vast migration and the high birth rate among the ones who are already in USA because of the lack of Higher Education. In next 20 to 25 years The Latino population will be majority but historically they will be under educated than White / Asian Indian / Chinese population. Moreover because of the lack of well-paid jobs they are very community and race oriented. If I see a Latino (Probably sure Mexican not Brazilian) President in USA because of their higher number of population I am not sure which direction this country will move to. Like we have seen in South Africa, Business and Corporations are dominated by Whites and Government is dominated by Blacks; in Malaysia Muslims are dominating the Government positions but all business are dominated by Chinese.
    I see this new low paid Latino immigration amnesty as a new version of slavery. Sure the Businesspeople will be happy if they find cheaper 3 dollar per hour labor without providing any benefits. I am sure those business people would be happier if they could find slaves where the expenses would be even less. Since it is not possible in 21 st century this immigration amenity will do for now.
    Have anyone ever thought when this low paid immigrants will become permanent Resident they are not getting any better pay check or benefit. So who will pay for their medical bills and other things like section 8 – the USA taxpayer.
    I think whatever is done by these low-paid workers – most of them can be done by technical advancement. Like you may avoid to have an extra maid if you have automatic scheduled washer/ cook etc which yet to be invented. This country needs to invent those to actually keep dominating the world technological market. But if you are used with cheap labor and do not feel to have advance machineries then there will be no market for it and no one will invent it either, cause no money to make from it.
    USA doesn't make the best car in the world anymore, they don't make the best passenger aircraft (since each day they are losing market to Airbus), they are not the best manufacturer of Electronics either, Only Pharmaceuticals (Which is actually shifting to India very fast) and Money Management (Personally I think this money management is a bubble like 2001, just waiting to be crashed).
    I am an immigrant too. So despite of what the future this new Latino population will bring to this country I will always welcome them since I know how it feels to be an illegal Alien. But thanks God I could fix my status. Just only advice to this new Latino population prove that I am wrong ( If I find I am wrong I will be happier) and please not be too much community oriented. Lets be all the same ( at least almost), American. God Bless America.

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    • #3
      Your thread title is no where referenced in this thread. Power stuggle.. ???



      As we see Latino population is growing faster with vast migration and the high birth rate among the ones who are already in USA because of the lack of Higher Education


      You dont really believe that lack of higher education is the reason for high birth rate do you???? Are not the the vast majority of latinos catholic who do not believe in birth control like the irish? They have children. Thats what they do. be fruitful and multiply.
      dont buy into that propaganda /hype that low education is making them have babies... its hot *** and no birth control.

      "I see this new low paid Latino immigration amnesty as a new version of slavery. Sure the Businesspeople will be happy if they find cheaper 3 dollar per hIour labor without providing any benefits"


      Slavery.... what a crock.. Now if you referenced Indentured slaves.. then I may give an ear to you. except these wages are much higher than what was offered in those days when the Chinese came here to help build railroads. and a marvelous job they did.

      The problem is the governments are allowing business to provide these guest worker programs stating that americans are not available for the positions. in essence that is one big lie. americans just will not work that kind of labor for what is not a fair pay in this day and age. Instead of forcing the employer to come with the time and make less profit.. they turn to guess worker and pay less and still make money by being greedy. Guest Worker undercut USC wages and integrity. Its been happening all over the industry in usa. from h1bvisa to h2e now guest worker. and it will expand.

      "Just only advice to this new Latino population prove that I am wrong "

      Latino pop not new. been here for many years and influenced this country greatly.. It is a very organized and well connected community. We are all americans... but never lose our culture my friend. You would only be fooling yourself. remember.. america sadly has no culture of its own.

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      • #4
        automatic washer/cook not invented yet.

        Coming Soon to a guest worker program near you.

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        • #5
          hmmm...


          Celebrities .. u mean those things you dont pay any attention to.... Celebrities are culutre now???? Authors and photographers.... I dont think so sunshine. Moby D* i*ck.. or maybe you meant Moby the DJ


          Culture is food.. it is tradtions. traditional dance. it traditional dress. storytelling, and distinctive dialect, distinctive architecture, musical intrumentaion/song and ever so much more. America has little to none becuase all of its so called culture is from immigrants. borrowed. Generally what is called "american" has been borrowed from someplace else.

          Smoke that in your oompah.

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          • #6
            Culture is The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.

            Apple Pie, Pop Music, Amusement Parks, Barbecue, Baseball, stories like paul bunyan, American English and even the way we dress. Face it 4now you are wrong America has culture. Doesnt matter if it came from some where else; alot of cultures evolve from other cultures.

            So to say America has no culture of its own is misleading.

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            • #7
              I disagree with the topic that there is any power struggle between latinos and white. White still make 80 percent of the population.
              Latinos are concentrated in some areas of the country but not everywhere.
              If anything will come out as a majority in distant future is the mixed race. Technology has made this world soo small and in decades to come there will b no pure race as a whole but a mix of everything and believe me it will be for the better too.

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              • #8
                Asykee and Ip


                Im sorry. what you both are describing here are just things associated with America from hollywood to politics.. Sure I could name a dozen or more things like you. I just do not however consider those things real/traditional culture. becuase there is none as this land was founded by several sources of immigrants from all over the world.
                the only traditional culture this country actulally has is from the native americans who inhabited the land.
                oh wait.. Football Baseball.. I luv baseball.

                "Apple Pie, Pop Music, Amusement Parks, Barbecue, Baseball, stories like paul bunyan, American English and even the way we dress."



                Apple Pie... u think that originated in USA
                nah
                amusement Parks... get a grip not usa origin

                barbeque... yea the native americans gave usa that.. those that arrived here by boat didnt even know how to hunt/kill animal , let alone barbeque one.

                "the way we dress" How do Americans dress..??.. Is there a traditional dress for americans? Havent seen "traditional clothes" Unless it was the tradtioanl dress of the indigenous peoples here.


                Where are the traditional skills in USA???

                glassblowers
                tilemakers/tile painter mosaics
                woodcarving
                textile making/dyeing
                beadmakimg
                iron/metal mastering
                stone carving
                and on and on and on.
                weaving

                This is typical USA babble. They actually think they are the ones that started the origins of something that they took from another culture.

                Art and literature can be elements of culture as they depict expressions of ones expericences/feeling in life.

                Do you know typical american thinks that rock music started in USA? along with lots of pop culture and dress stuff that the Brits started and american just followed suit. America almost always looking toward Brits or Euro to take its lead from. there are always forever changing arts/literature styles/ film etc in a country, but there is almost always that old traditional aspect that a country can count on. USA does not have this, and thats why I say it does not have "real culture of its own"

                Lets compare indigenous peoples culture to todays USA culture:

                Natives Versus USA Today

                smoke peace pipe = smoke crackpipe

                open flame cooking = Burger King

                moccasin /sandel = nike sneaker

                fresh fruits/veggies = tv dinner/ cans

                storytelling = telling stories

                traditional rain dance= dancin in the rain

                fluted music/strings = remakes/remixes

                leather thong = leather thong

                Fabric Weaving = hair Weaves

                Hmmm... guess USA does have culture afterall

                "4never- are you a real person?
                I do believe now you meant what you said about the evolution. I am still waiting for your ideas on your existence.
                tick tock tick tock.. "


                4now know how to keep it real baby.
                IP .. I am stillwaiting for you to give 1 example of something that has involved. tick tock. You have been stalling for almost 1 week now.

                "Look you are an American right? I am not and I know more about your culture than you do."

                Who told you that??... Assumptions will get you twisted everytime.

                Stillwaiting. and I know I will be b/c you havent found one instance 4 4now. tick tick tick

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                • #9
                  So what's your culture and nationality iperson?

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                  • #10
                    This is provocative thread.

                    I will not take any part in it, except for noting that I oppose any veiled attempts to start a "Civil War", under any pretext.

                    And I believe the constructive, wise strategy would be to define the highest possible standard of being an AMERICAN and then have us all struggle to attain that ideal within ourselves.

                    Regards,

                    IE

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                    • #11
                      iperson,
                      the ones who "divert the train in different direction" are those who try to make out of the current immigration impass a "POWER STRUGGLE" between "WHITE" and "LATINO" population.
                      More like what you see on www.fairus.org website every day.

                      I strongly DISAGREE with such diversion (and occasionally make sarcastic jokes about this kind of "diversion" too).

                      I make very clear distinction between an Individual Latino/Polish/Mongolian/Etc. Immigrant (or group of Immigrants) who want to protect and defend their Human dignity relying on the standards of US Laws and Constituion as opposed to "STRUGGLING" for "ETHNIC/RACIAL POWER/DOMINANCE OVER OTHER ETHNIC/RACIAL GROUP WITHIN THE US".

                      The two are in essence and intent so DIFFERENT that can't be equated as being the same.


                      Regards,

                      IE

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                      • #12
                        ..and if they don't get what they want they play the race card..
                        Why should Latinos PLAY/INVENT the race card, when there is so much - literally vast - amount of documented and permanently stored data out there CLEARLY showing that anti-immigrant agenda is mostly driven by RACIST oriented groups?
                        You don't even have to PLAY anything , just say: "Hey, here is the link to such and such website, it's founder is also founder of such and such organizations, here is what they openly and privately say, this is where they met and issued memoranda, here is the text of it, and you can read about it all also here and here, including the Court released transcripts and records about such and such leaders of such movements/organizations who also participated in this meeting - now make your own conclusion!"

                        In fact, FAIR founder is very stupid man!(Read also "Social Contract Press" published by him, with interview of "The Camp of The Saints" author).
                        If they wanted to limit/decrease immigration flow and assimilate whatever newcomers are already here for the good of Society, they could have done so successfully, without making it into a WAR AGAINST LATINOS FOR RACIAL POWER.
                        What an idiot that bee-keeper must be!
                        Doesn't he understand how self-destructive his agenda for his own cause is?

                        There is way to do it (reduce immigrant flow, fully assimilate current immigration population, deport those whom you can afford to deport, on top of those whom you must deport), I repeat tehre is a way to do it, rationally, effectively and without inflaming passions, but it must be done by people and organizations who have not tainted their reputation as FAIR and Co. did, or else there will always be accusations and suspicion of racism driving this agenda.


                        It's about breaking the law, not about discrimination.
                        Please try to explain this to LPR spouses/fiances/bf/gf here:

                        http://boards.immigrationportal.com/...play.php?f=202


                        And don't take me wrong, I repeated it many times before:
                        I have no objections whatsoever to sealing borders, reducing the flow of immigrants and absorbing/assimilating newcomers.
                        In fact I think not doing so will result in rising of tensions and it won't make happy anybody.

                        But I also strongly believe that it must be done in rational manner, based on clear vision and understanding that it is for the common good of whole Nation, and everything must be done according to standards set by the Founders of this Great Nation.


                        Regards,

                        IE

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                        • #13
                          As ususal cupcake we are not on the same page.
                          Just ask our mutual friend Bill
                          IT depends on what the meaning of culture is


                          "We need to make the distinction between two different notions of culture You and I are talking about. Your view of culture is the so called ordinary culture or low culture as opposed to mine which is the high culture."

                          Your definition of culture is much narrow and can be reduced to the word "traditions". Which is only a small aspect of what culture means


                          ordinary..?? low..?? narrow ?." reduced to traditions.. This is the real culture my friend. That is why it is called traditional dance.. traditional food.. traditional ceremony, beautiful traditional weddings, coming of age customs.

                          How sad it is for you that the superficial things and celebrety influnced "culture" that you have described... is what you consider to be "high" culture. This is superficial culture if anything. Perhaps your country does not have strong influence of this or has not been taught to you , and as some have completely disbanded original customs/culture. These are the ones that hitler spoke of.

                          One cannot go forward without knowing the past.


                          Keep it real and never forget your origin.

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                          • #14
                            Somehow these two Clinton fans didn't respond to my previous post and preferred to conveniently ignore it

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                            • #15
                              ..you won't tell me that Reps are against amnesty because they are racists= they don't want Mexicans here just like Fairus and such don't...
                              No, I won't , because there are 23 Republican Senators who voted for S2611 and I know few more would support it if Kyl-Cornyn version was adopted in full.
                              I also know that there are may be 1/3 of House Republicans who would also support S2611 if it was put on vote tomorrow.
                              So, first of all, Republicans are not one monolitic block when it comes to immigration issuie, and on top of that it would be gross injustice to implicate in racism some of the most eloquent opponents of Amnesty: for instance, I heard Senator Kyl object to Specter Bill during initial SJC hearings in April and I posted on this website the same day, reflecting that even though I disagree with his position yet I find it too difficult to argue against his point of view.
                              What he said made sense to me.

                              But that is not to say that there are not people who are motivated racially and some are very vocal about it in public. That is not to say that www.fairus.org isn't running successful campaign to derail and stop any attempt to rationally solve the issue of 12 million illegal aliens present here. That is not to say that those are the same people who MAILED BRICKS(!) to US Capitol(!) and called/faxed to their Reps. day and night threatening to vote them out of Congress if they don't put the BRICK on the way of S2611 and instead support anything remotely resembling Pres. Bush's Guest Worker program..


                              I am for full amnesty- you know it.
                              In fact I am not for FULL amnesty, you should know that too.

                              But I didnt like the Latino marches and demonstrations and the day without Mexicans. Because they make the issue to be about race/slavery.
                              Neither did I, especially the "Day Without Mexicans", but for different reasons.

                              I didnt like them waving Mexican flags and singing the anthem in Mexican.
                              Yeah, that was really stupid , I agree on it.

                              But I disagree that everybody must be scapegoated for the sake of some who deserve fair punishment for what they did.

                              I also think that whatever policy is and whatever law is enacted it must be realistic and enforceable, with funds allocated and logistics thought out, with long term political/practical goals in mind.


                              Regards,

                              IE

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