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    http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/speec...p_1250028863008.shtm

    Just to keep everyone apprised!!
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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    http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/speec...p_1250028863008.shtm

    Just to keep everyone apprised!!
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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    • #3
      Excerpt from the speech:
      This goes well beyond what has been done in the past by their government or ours, and it has resulted in the following. We’ve seized just in the past few months $69 million in cash, 2.4 million pounds of drugs, more than 95,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 500 assault rifles and handguns—and that is an increase of over $34 million in seizures, 400,000 kilos [more than 800,000 pounds] in drugs, and more than 57,000 rounds of ammunition. In other words, it’s not just that we’re seizing, but we’re seizing materially more than we did at this point last year.

      I think drug education has to be improved. If you tell kids "Just say no to drugs" they laugh at you. If you tell them, what their action entails and how they contriubute to the evil and crime that drugs bring about, I am sure they would take a different attitude towards using them and furthering demand - for as long as there is demand, there will be supply.

      Parents very often don't talk to their kids about grown up stuff, but if they would, they might just find an open ear.

      Also, I wonder what the NRA's take is on above.

      JMHO
      “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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      • #4
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davdah:
        They could do what our parents did. 'If I catch you smoking whacky tobacci I'll whip your a$$' , LOL Hey, it generally worked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I disagree! With this it is like everything else we tell kids to stay away from (s.ex), if it doesn't have a good explaination - they sneak it, because they think they know everything and we know nothing. We (look) old to them! According to them we are disconnected from the happenings.

        I just tell mine - I've been here longer than you - I know more and you'll never catch me.
        “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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        • #5
          Immediately you attempt to ban something, kids will think it's cool to do it. Human nature. Remember the prohibition years? Didn't exactly work as planned although NASCAR would never have come into being had it not happened.
          "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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          • #6
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I just tell mine - I've been here longer than you - I know more and you'll never catch me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Same here, but I don't think they believe it yet - lol!!! Kids think we had no life before they arrived. Duh. My eldest is starting to get it. He needs to share with his younger brothers - lol!

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            • #7
              Blah, blah, blah, amnesty, blah, blah, blah.

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              • #8
                Koller,

                You seem so proud that many illegal aliens will be rewarded for entering this nation you wish to call your own one day. That appauls me to no avail, however being an AMERICAN, I will respect your right to believe as you wish.

                Although we are all immigrants in this nation other than the American Indians our forefather's came here legally via Ellis Island.

                I have a question for you and Brit. In your mother countries, Germany and England, are illegals given Amnesty? Are they allowed to willfully disobey the laws and not face any consequences? Does Germany and England reward bad behavior, illegal behavior?

                I have lived in Germany and visited many times. Jail in Germany is no picnic like it is here in the U.S. I think perhaps our jails need model European and other nation's prisons. Perhaps then so many would be more respectful of our laws.

                As Dav points out at the end of each of posts, law is what makes us civil. Without law we are no different than animals. Law is there to provide protection for everyone and is to be respected by all within a society.

                I still don't think what you did was a crime Koller. However, I ask of you and other's who wish to call America their home to respect what our country as stood for, what men and women long ago fought so fearlessly for a nation where Freedom of Speech was respected, permitted, and encouraged.

                As you say you may not like what I say but you will not condemn me saying it. Why not practice while you preach. Your arrogance is like a child when you posted this "hot of the press" thread claiming only wanting to inform us.

                We know this Administration wishes to grant Amnesty and many of us will not allow it to happen without a fight. That is our right as Americans to peacefully protest, scream a little, and gather masses to support something that has more value than money, our Constitution.

                I recall living in Germany as the Berlin wall was being torn down, awww what an uproar of the West Germans, who didn't wish to pay more taxes to their RELATIVES, who had been separated from them by WAR. Here an opportunity to reunite one common nationality of people yet most protested it.

                Ironically, when we as American's wish to speak loudly abuot NO Socialism, No more illegal aliens, we are labeled as malicious extremist and called all sorts of inappropriate names.

                Name calling will get no one on either side a sympathetic ear. Often shouting is the only way for a voice to be heard. Unfortunately, not all politicians and elected officials would allow real freedom of speach to exist if a few didn't yell in protest for what they have believe in all their lives, lost love one's in battle's our nation and it's leader's have asked them to fight in.

                How many illegal alien's would die for this country? Few have and their loss is mourned as any soldier who proudly defends all this nation stands for.

                You want other's to be sympathetic to your plight, yet you mock those of us who do not share your passionate love of socialism.

                We did not grow up here as socialist. Our Constitution does not allow national single payer health care it is unconstitutional and the majority of our citzens do NOT want it.

                Yes, we must deal with Obama for he was elected by popular vote, so you may have to live with the popular vote in this nation not supporting national health care or Amnesty.

                I'd like to hear know what is Germany's way of handling illegal immigrants? are they given Amnesty? Are the local police not allowed to arrest them or detain them like our local police officers whose hands by an administration who does not enforce our laws? The very laws we as citizens over the year's have supported our legislator's to sponsor, draft, pass, and support.

                You and Brit want respect but I have yet to see either of you show any respect to anyone other than illegal alien's who wish to find loopholes in our immigration laws or those who think like minded.

                I believe respect is reciprocal. Don't you? You get what you give and personally I feel that you rally against all the princples that made this nation great.

                We are a compassionate people, but frankly our nation is in crisis and charity begins at home. It is time to stop all the illegal immigration into this nation and prosecute not reward. It is time to feed, educate, and shelter our own resident's and citizen's and NO LONGER be the keeper of the rest of the world. We can be self sufficient and perhaps it is time that we as American's become as radical, self righteous, as those who claim to want to be American's but wish to make it like their homelands which for various reason's they have choosen to flee.

                Many great scientist and engineers came to this country but not against their will! They came here to contribute to this nation and the good of all nations with their knowledge, skills, and most importantly a nation that supported their innovation to create and produce products for the good of all nations. Had they been able to do so in their countries there would be no reason for them to willingly immigrate here.

                I welcome anyone who respects our laws. We have a very generous immigration policy. I am tired of seeing decent immigrants being slapped in the face by the dishonest immigrants who self righteous attitudes make them believe they have some God given entitlement to break our laws and continue to do so year after year in hopes being rewarded with citizenship not fear of punishment.

                They will have lousy jobs here or in their own countries, so it is not the jobs they come for it is the citizenship of U.S.A they can bestowe upon their children when they give birth here.

                I am a real person, not a fake, not asked by any lobbyist to speak up! I will do all I can for as long as I can to ensure that my children and all children in this nation have a Constitution today, tomorrow, and forever! If that offends anyone, maybe it is time to head back to your homes. Make your countries what you want them to be but you cannot come here and dictate to American's any longer and expect for us to sit back and take it.

                I cry each night as I see my country fall apart, bill by bill, corruption beyond my wildest immagination, and if it does not stop we will become a 3rd world nation.

                I fear civil unrest for the unlawful have pushed the limits of our spirit, generosity, and provoked many to say enough. We do NOT need guns, we have a Constitution that will protect all we believe and stand for.

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                • #9
                  Furthermore,

                  I teach my children to respect their elders, learn from them. They didn't survive life without learning skills.

                  I agree with Dav with punishment

                  Koller tomorrow I will be calling Germany to get some statistics on what he local police are and are not allowed to do when they find an illegal alien, what punishment if any is rendered.

                  I believe I already know the answer but I want be certain.

                  Please understand that we have right's as American's and those rights will be exercised.

                  What percentage of illegal alien's in the U.S.A become criminals here in the U.S? Anyone know?

                  Enter illegally, no biggy, buy a fake social, no biggy, buy a driver's license, no biggy, each unlawful act makes the next unlawful act easier to convince self that I am entited. I am above the LAW, sorry no one is above the law! not here or in any other country.

                  No one is entitled to anything we are all responsible as members of a society to obey and respect the laws.

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                  • #10
                    RH,
                    Is not the illegals of desperation at all cost. Is the system That puts on the Blinders to escape Having to deal with it!! (Within USA). Immigration anything In many places of USA within those of Authority = OH H E L L NO!!! Ignore and maybe it will go away. The attitude!

                    They goofed!! allowed too many too fast!!! the resources Not There, The Laws and loopholes Whacko!!! Too many Illegal Immigrants already emmbeded into Society To Accurately correct the problem!!! Too much protection for those With Unsavory Intentions. Law! Race! religeon! Humanitarion! Not to mention politics, Government to Government negotiations worldwide!
                    The world has been at war for thousands of years, it just became more sophisticated And manipulative. too Much Power corrupts!!! Real Gold??? Or fools gold???

                    Remember those government Pens that where slim and wrote so well??? the ones every government employee took Home boxes!!! attitude = I work for the government So I am entitled!!! attitude!
                    Probably Cost USA Tax Payers millions just for the pens!!! Other attitude = I am government at least my job Is safe!!!

                    My Mom RIP. 36 Plus Years serving the government. , One day she saw me with One of those Pens, asked me where I got it??? I said On the kitchen counter top mom. She stopped for a Awhile and realized she Brought her work Home. in The Old days those Pens where Inscribed With (Property of Us government) She Took control And appologized, letting Me Know She goofed! simple Thing. Yet To her it was significant! TAX PAYERS MONEY!!! My Mom was Ultimate Government!! not like Now!!!
                    USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who y

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                    • #11
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by federale86:
                      Blah, blah, blah, amnesty, blah, blah, blah. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I don't think this speech speaks of clear amnesty, I think it speaks of enforcing the laws once and for all. I think it's a good first approach to remedy the situation. If everyone pulls together, i.e., employers not hiring the illegals that are here - common sense would tell me if they can, they will go back to where they came from to have a decent life. The ones that can't go back because they are deeply anchored into society will have to find a way to register and come forth and legalize. That is not clear amnesty because as of now there has to be some legal means to obtain these rights. However, I think the Obama administration will have to enact something to make it possible for the ones deeply anchored via family or other means to actually come forth and register. After all in part it is the laws on the books that made it possible for them to be here (the anchor babies) in the first place.

                      It is not an easy situation, but something has to be done.
                      “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                      • #12
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robin Horton:
                        Koller,

                        You seem so proud that many illegal aliens will be rewarded for entering this nation you wish to call your own one day. That appauls me to no avail, however being an AMERICAN, I will respect your right to believe as you wish.

                        Although we are all immigrants in this nation other than the American Indians our forefather's came here legally via Ellis Island.

                        I have a question for you and Brit. In your mother countries, Germany and England, are illegals given Amnesty? Are they allowed to willfully disobey the laws and not face any consequences? Does Germany and England reward bad behavior, illegal behavior?

                        I have lived in Germany and visited many times. Jail in Germany is no picnic like it is here in the U.S. I think perhaps our jails need model European and other nation's prisons. Perhaps then so many would be more respectful of our laws.

                        As Dav points out at the end of each of posts, law is what makes us civil. Without law we are no different than animals. Law is there to provide protection for everyone and is to be respected by all within a society.

                        I still don't think what you did was a crime Koller. However, I ask of you and other's who wish to call America their home to respect what our country as stood for, what men and women long ago fought so fearlessly for a nation where Freedom of Speech was respected, permitted, and encouraged.

                        As you say you may not like what I say but you will not condemn me saying it. Why not practice while you preach. Your arrogance is like a child when you posted this "hot of the press" thread claiming only wanting to inform us.

                        We know this Administration wishes to grant Amnesty and many of us will not allow it to happen without a fight. That is our right as Americans to peacefully protest, scream a little, and gather masses to support something that has more value than money, our Constitution.

                        I recall living in Germany as the Berlin wall was being torn down, awww what an uproar of the West Germans, who didn't wish to pay more taxes to their RELATIVES, who had been separated from them by WAR. Here an opportunity to reunite one common nationality of people yet most protested it.

                        Ironically, when we as American's wish to speak loudly abuot NO Socialism, No more illegal aliens, we are labeled as malicious extremist and called all sorts of inappropriate names.

                        Name calling will get no one on either side a sympathetic ear. Often shouting is the only way for a voice to be heard. Unfortunately, not all politicians and elected officials would allow real freedom of speach to exist if a few didn't yell in protest for what they have believe in all their lives, lost love one's in battle's our nation and it's leader's have asked them to fight in.

                        How many illegal alien's would die for this country? Few have and their loss is mourned as any soldier who proudly defends all this nation stands for.

                        You want other's to be sympathetic to your plight, yet you mock those of us who do not share your passionate love of socialism.

                        We did not grow up here as socialist. Our Constitution does not allow national single payer health care it is unconstitutional and the majority of our citzens do NOT want it.

                        Yes, we must deal with Obama for he was elected by popular vote, so you may have to live with the popular vote in this nation not supporting national health care or Amnesty.

                        I'd like to hear know what is Germany's way of handling illegal immigrants? are they given Amnesty? Are the local police not allowed to arrest them or detain them like our local police officers whose hands by an administration who does not enforce our laws? The very laws we as citizens over the year's have supported our legislator's to sponsor, draft, pass, and support.

                        You and Brit want respect but I have yet to see either of you show any respect to anyone other than illegal alien's who wish to find loopholes in our immigration laws or those who think like minded.

                        I believe respect is reciprocal. Don't you? You get what you give and personally I feel that you rally against all the princples that made this nation great.

                        We are a compassionate people, but frankly our nation is in crisis and charity begins at home. It is time to stop all the illegal immigration into this nation and prosecute not reward. It is time to feed, educate, and shelter our own resident's and citizen's and NO LONGER be the keeper of the rest of the world. We can be self sufficient and perhaps it is time that we as American's become as radical, self righteous, as those who claim to want to be American's but wish to make it like their homelands which for various reason's they have choosen to flee.

                        Many great scientist and engineers came to this country but not against their will! They came here to contribute to this nation and the good of all nations with their knowledge, skills, and most importantly a nation that supported their innovation to create and produce products for the good of all nations. Had they been able to do so in their countries there would be no reason for them to willingly immigrate here.

                        I welcome anyone who respects our laws. We have a very generous immigration policy. I am tired of seeing decent immigrants being slapped in the face by the dishonest immigrants who self righteous attitudes make them believe they have some God given entitlement to break our laws and continue to do so year after year in hopes being rewarded with citizenship not fear of punishment.

                        They will have lousy jobs here or in their own countries, so it is not the jobs they come for it is the citizenship of U.S.A they can bestowe upon their children when they give birth here.

                        I am a real person, not a fake, not asked by any lobbyist to speak up! I will do all I can for as long as I can to ensure that my children and all children in this nation have a Constitution today, tomorrow, and forever! If that offends anyone, maybe it is time to head back to your homes. Make your countries what you want them to be but you cannot come here and dictate to American's any longer and expect for us to sit back and take it.

                        I cry each night as I see my country fall apart, bill by bill, corruption beyond my wildest immagination, and if it does not stop we will become a 3rd world nation.

                        I fear civil unrest for the unlawful have pushed the limits of our spirit, generosity, and provoked many to say enough. We do NOT need guns, we have a Constitution that will protect all we believe and stand for. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Robin, I just wanted to inform you!

                        I think you have a misstrust problem and the reason you keep picking on me is because I don't take it.

                        I don't want it!
                        “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                        • #13
                          Koller, I am not picking on you I am commenting on how your arrogance shines in your post. Both you and Brit take pride in socialism. That is your right but you do not have to offend those who do not wish this nation to become socialist.

                          I have always been polite yet spoken my peace and will continue to do such.

                          It is confusing to me why so many want to come here only to make this nation like the one they fled. Trying to figure that one out.

                          I had to walk around Germany with a pocket dictionary. Yet the spanish speaking illegals of this nation have forced us to practically make spanish a second language. I was sent to Germany, I didn't go by choice so there was no reason for me to be forced to learn the language.

                          I am not attacking you Koller just hoping that if you do win your case that you will in the future understand that many in this nation do not share the same love of socialized medicine, uncontrollable spending, and irresponsible debt this administration has left for many generations ahead to face.

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                          • #14
                            MIR we have all accidently taken a pen home how can you compare this to illegal immigration?

                            Furthermore your out of touch with local police officers if you believe they have any authority to arrest, detain, or even legally question a suspected illegal alien about his/her status.

                            I have spoken to many Chief's of Police, organized recently an exchange of information in an attempt challenge the Federal Govt's intolerance of local officers detaining known ilegal aliens.

                            I believe the amendment to the Constitution was for African Americans to obtain citizenship not illegal aliens. That law needs and overhaul.

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                            • #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It is confusing to me why so many want to come here only to make this nation like the one they fled. Trying to figure that one out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I've never said I'm trying to make the USA like Europe. It isn't and it never will be. My background is different to yours because I came from another country. All I'm saying is there is a different way of doing things and if the current situation isn't working out (which it isn't) then why not try something else?

                              Look at Japan. After WW2 it was left decimated from the war. Did they continue the same way? No, they borrowed ideas and technology from the West and used it to their own advantage in their own way. That's why they are the economic powerhouse they are today. In other words, the Japanese showed they were flexible and could adapt to change. Same was true with Germany.

                              The Roman Empire was once a great power. But it was inflexible and rigid and that was it's downfall. Some say America is much like the Roman Empire and it could go the same way eventually. Once a nation starts to feel invincible, that's the beginning of the end.

                              I didn't flee my old country, I came of my own free will. I didn't have to come here, I had a good job in UK, friends etc. I had a desire to come unlike others who don't have such a choice being persecuted for their beliefs or religion.
                              "What you see in the photograph isn't what you saw at the time. The real skill of photography is organized visual lying."

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