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  • #76
    Originally posted by Someone12:
    it's called 'sarcasm' EET....
    and though Germany does indeed make great cars, what kind of piece of $hit car does Poland make??? how many consumers are leaping over each other to buy a Polish "Coalmaro" ? I'm sorry, but what is it that Poland makes and exports in such vast quantities that every consumer on the globe can't wait to buy one? When was the last time the Super Bowl was held in Warsaw? How many astronauts does Poland have? (answer: none, because no one could spell the word)...
    does Poland manufacture and sell an airplane? answer: no...because it needs so much coal to power the 'engines' it cannot get off the ground...(because it needs 300 coal stokers and that leaves no room for paying passengers)...who invented the visa waiver program? the US of A or Poland? gosh...I guess that would be the US of A....how many people are chomping at the bit to go to Poland? (hint: 4) How many Americans immigrate to Poland each year? (0) If Poland is so wonderful and so advanced, why do so many Poles try to scam their way to America???????
    and why are you quoting someone who is not Polish?
    How many American's are leaping over each other to buy a Camaro? The American Car Industry is a looser. I always think it has to do with the measurement system and/or the mathematics, that American's can't built cars. As I said before, Poland is just now starting out, because its economy was supressed under Communist Rule. A year from now, its telecommunication industry will be traded on the world markets. Aren't you American, Someone12 - shouldn't you, I mean you of all people know that only a Free People can be successful!!!

    Shame on you!!!
    “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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    • #77
      Originally posted by iperson:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That is Schlesien you are talking about. Schlesien went back and forth a few times during history. It's very comparable to the Alsac region where Germany borders with France. I am familiar with Europen history.
      My dad is Polish, but he is from the Krakow region. I have family there, but I grew up in Germany.

      I am very proud of my Polish heritage!!
      Yep, Schlesien or Silesia or Slask (polish). I didn't know about the Alsac region, sounds similar.
      My family lives about half an hour from Krakow by car. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Yes, Alsace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace and Lorraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_%28region%29 - Germany and France were ˜alternating' in possession of these two regions quite a bit and many of people living there used to know both languages. I remember a story about a German soldier – when II.W.W. ended, he claimed he actually was not German but French (and he just had to fight in German army). My grandmother who knew both French and German perfectly really identified his French was better. And yes, shortly after they found out this guy was from Alsace (which Hitler annexed too because he perceived it as German property in 1940).
      But Silesia is geographically a bit apart towards the East; quite a big part of it actually once was even in the possession of Czechs (Great Moravia and later Bohemia – difference is that Great Moravia included the land of contemporary Slovak Republic, Bohemia later did not). Well and after Czech Kingdom was occupied by Austrian Empire, the Maria Theresa of Austria lost it in the War of the Austrian Succession (other Emperors did not want a woman to be in head of the state) in 1742. Its history is more complicated, this is just a small remark. More you can find out at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia
      And similar story you can tell about Lusatia too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatia; Czech had a part of it too but we lost is earlier (1635).
      I just meant to enrich this discussion a bit .
      さん,がんばれ!

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      • #78
        Someone 12, I do not get you. Sometimes you contradict yourself.
        Firstly you say:
        Originally posted by Someone12:
        once again, Iperson ..., please, board the next sputtering Polish airliner and go back to your own country.
        And than you say something else

        Originally posted by Someone12:
        ... does Poland manufacture and sell an airplane? answer: no...because it needs so much coal to power the 'engines' it cannot get off the ground...(because it needs 300 coal stokers and that leaves no room for paying passengers) ...
        So what can we do here – if we do not get into this airliner ˜cause it is stuck with coal', how can we go back to Europe ?
        さん,がんばれ!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
          How many American's are leaping over each other to buy a Camaro? The American Car Industry is a looser. I always think it has to do with the measurement system and/or the mathematics, that American's can't built cars. As I said before, Poland is just now starting out, because its economy was supressed under Communist Rule. A year from now, its telecommunication industry will be traded on the world markets. Aren't you American, Someone12 - shouldn't you, I mean you of all people know that only a Free People can be successful!!!

          Shame on you!!!
          Just want to let you know that Ford and GM own substantial financial interests in Japanese, Chinese, and German auto manufactures. However, the upper management today of the big three reluctantly failed to accept change and failed to learn from the 1970's. Yet, it is getting better. The US is still the number one car market in the world. When it comes to sedans,I would say the Japanese, especially Toyota/Lexus and Honda top the list. German and French cars are slipping, except for the sports cars. But when it comes to light utility trucks, US manufactures top the list.

          For the consumer, it is far easier for someone, including the poor to obtain the luxury of having an automobile compared to the rest of the world. But the reasons have nothing in common with who is the top manufacturer, but with economies of scale in the general population.
          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Someone12:
            .... and though Germany does indeed make great cars, what kind of piece of $hit car does Poland make??? how many consumers are leaping over each other to buy a Polish "Coalmaro" ? I'm sorry, but what is it that Poland makes and exports in such vast quantities that every consumer on the globe can't wait to buy one? When was the last time the Super Bowl was held in Warsaw? ...
            Someone12 I really do not want to get into any argument here but I just cannot resist and I have to add something. Well, I know Polish people are making good cars and that Japanese and Korean car companies are making good cars in Poland too (manufactured by skilful Polish people). On top of that us Czechs (probably similar nation in your eyes) we were always making great cars too since 20' of the last century. But we both (Poland and Czechoslovakia) got screwed up by communists; now however economy is getting better and better.
            Now Czech ˜Skoda' cars are great, they are sold all over Europe ... they are safe, they have a nice design (there are, of course, many models) and they are economical too. They consume about 3-4 liters per 100km (you can recalculate this to your pre-historical miles per gallons by yourself; you already showed us you are a great mathematician).
            And I do not know about Superbowl, who cares about it anyways but I am sure our Czech Ice-hockey team kicked your American asses many times, buddy!
            さん,がんばれ!

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            • #81
              Originally posted by SunDevilUSA:
              Cocorocotum: With all due respect, immigrants did NOT build this country...Americans built this country, and continue to build it. If your sorry behind was deported, America wouldn't even miss your...er, contribution (LOL).

              Yes, I am an immigrant...actually a Lawful Permanent Resident. It is my understanding that you're NOT an immigrant, but a refugee who is badmouthing America...the country that saved your sorry behind from whichever "paradise on earth" you claim as your country of origin.

              I hope that you get to go home soon.
              you are right
              somebody tell me that story
              an native of this land fine in an day a bag with American seeds loose from an UFO
              and after that many Americans start to grow-up in number, just like AIDS virus
              and they infected the natives of this land
              roco

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              • #82
                Originally posted by iperson:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just want to let you know that Ford and GM own substantial financial interests in Japanese, Chinese, and German auto manufactures. However, the upper management today of the big three reluctantly failed to accept change and failed to learn from the 1970's. Yet, it is getting better.
                I live in Detroit ok? I know the situation is not getting any better. In fact the big three is going down the tubes.
                Ford just announced lay offs of about 40.000 employees. Ford announced billions in losses and won't make any revenue till at least 2009 and that's an optimistic prognosis.

                American cars are bad and I wouldn't own one.
                IMHO they are made to break to fuel economy, but that's just my one little opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                It is most interesting to read your HO, as I have the same one, except that I don't think it's only cars, its other goods too. In Europe, we learn that it is simply not done, if it's not done perfect. Here, the notion is that that'll do for now.

                As far as the American car industry: I know that GM (Opel), Ford (Ford) own factories and manufacture their own brands in Europe, but due to the fear (and perhaps other restrictions) that these brands will depress the American market, they will not destribute and bring these brands over here.
                “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
                  As far as the American car industry: I know that GM (Opel), Ford (Ford) own factories and manufacture their own brands in Europe, but due to the fear (and perhaps other restrictions) that these brands will depress the American market, they will not destribute and bring these brands over here.
                  That is true - I used to have a Ford Escort, manufactured in Germany. This car was much nicer looking than American Escort but mainly it was economical and reliable vehicle.
                  さん,がんばれ!

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by cocorocotum:
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SunDevilUSA:
                    Cocorocotum: With all due respect, immigrants did NOT build this country...Americans built this country, and continue to build it. If your sorry behind was deported, America wouldn't even miss your...er, contribution (LOL).

                    Yes, I am an immigrant...actually a Lawful Permanent Resident. It is my understanding that you're NOT an immigrant, but a refugee who is badmouthing America...the country that saved your sorry behind from whichever "paradise on earth" you claim as your country of origin.

                    I hope that you get to go home soon.
                    you are right
                    somebody tell me that story
                    an native of this land fine in an day a bag with American seeds loose from an UFO
                    and after that many Americans start to grow-up in number, just like AIDS virus
                    and they infected the natives of this land </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that's about illegal
                    roco

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by cocorocotum:
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cocorocotum:
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SunDevilUSA:
                      Cocorocotum: With all due respect, immigrants did NOT build this country...Americans built this country, and continue to build it. If your sorry behind was deported, America wouldn't even miss your...er, contribution (LOL).

                      Yes, I am an immigrant...actually a Lawful Permanent Resident. It is my understanding that you're NOT an immigrant, but a refugee who is badmouthing America...the country that saved your sorry behind from whichever "paradise on earth" you claim as your country of origin.

                      I hope that you get to go home soon.
                      you are right
                      somebody tell me that story
                      an native of this land fine in an day a bag with American seeds loose from an UFO
                      and after that many Americans start to grow-up in number, just like AIDS virus
                      and they infected the natives of this land </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that's about illegal </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                      Just one remark - SunDevilUSA never explained to me what was the difference between American and immigrant (or descendant of an immigrant). Because there is none.
                      さん,がんばれ!

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                      • #86
                        SunDevilUSA: I just about had it with you - you primitive uneducated s.u.c.k.er! Perhaps you'll be able to rack your brain and remember The Wizard of Oz and Dorothy saying: "there is no place like home, there is no place like home!!"

                        I think it is about the most horrible that people can go through – to fend for their lives and be displaced because of political reasons. However, in order to understand a situation such as this, that requires compassion and that in turn requires intelligence – which you, according to your writings do not posses. You are most likely a High School dropout that never got of the block and thinks America is the world.

                        I am rather glad that America is not made up of only scumbags like you, but rather that most Americans are ashamed of people like you.

                        Regards,
                        “...I may condemn what you say, but I will give my life for that you may say it”! - Voltaire

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by iperson:
                          I live in Detroit ok? I know the situation is not getting any better. In fact the big three is going down the tubes.
                          Ford just announced lay offs of about 40.000 employees. Ford announced billions in losses and won't make any revenue till at least 2009 and that's an optimistic prognosis.

                          American cars are bad and I wouldn't own one.
                          IMHO they are made to break to fuel economy, but that's just my one little opinion.
                          IP,
                          Most of the auto plants in North America are in North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky, etc, not in Detroit exclusively. As I stated, the main problem has been upper management with help from the unions. Detroit has expensive labor compared to the states mentioned previously. And they recognized too late on new trends. Case in point, hybrid vehicles. Toyota and Honda are the industry leaders, not European nor US. However, my car had it final assembly in the US, not Japan. In fact, majority of the cars are still produced in the US, domestic or foreign owned. But the fact of the matter is that technology has contributed to most of the job losses in the manufacturing sector, not outsourcing.

                          Yes, Ford had an unexpected loss, but if you look at their stockholder's report in detail, their SUV sales plummeted, which was their cash cow, BTW. They also increased their R&D on new technology in hybrid, fuel cell, and other alternative sources. Additionally, the company previously announced major reorganization in its structure. Keep in mind, it does not affect their holdings on Jaguar, Austin Martin, Volvo Cars, and a few other interests in foreign auto makers.

                          In the US, trucks have the dominance over foreign cars. Dodge Ram, Ford 250, Ford 150, GMC Sierra, and a couple of others beat the foreign competition on a consistant basis. When it comes to sedans, Toyota is number one, not European.
                          "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Hudson:
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iperson:
                            I live in Detroit ok? I know the situation is not getting any better. In fact the big three is going down the tubes.
                            Ford just announced lay offs of about 40.000 employees. Ford announced billions in losses and won't make any revenue till at least 2009 and that's an optimistic prognosis.

                            American cars are bad and I wouldn't own one.
                            IMHO they are made to break to fuel economy, but that's just my one little opinion.
                            IP,
                            Most of the auto plants in North America are in North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky, etc, not in Detroit exclusively. As I stated, the main problem has been upper management with help from the unions. Detroit has expensive labor compared to the states mentioned previously. And they recognized too late on new trends. Case in point, hybrid vehicles. Toyota and Honda are the industry leaders, not European nor US. However, my car had it final assembly in the US, not Japan. In fact, majority of the cars are still produced in the US, domestic or foreign owned. But the fact of the matter is that technology has contributed to most of the job losses in the manufacturing sector, not outsourcing.

                            Yes, Ford had an unexpected loss, but if you look at their stockholder's report in detail, their SUV sales plummeted, which was their cash cow, BTW. They also increased their R&D on new technology in hybrid, fuel cell, and other alternative sources. Additionally, the company previously announced major reorganization in its structure. Keep in mind, it does not affect their holdings on Jaguar, Austin Martin, Volvo Cars, and a few other interests in foreign auto makers.

                            In the US, trucks have the dominance over foreign cars. Dodge Ram, Ford 250, Ford 150, GMC Sierra, and a couple of others beat the foreign competition on a consistant basis. When it comes to sedans, Toyota is number one, not European. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Mr Hudson
                            I understand you have boring life home
                            but......
                            you don't think this discussion about cars is out of topic ?
                            roco

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by cocorocotum:
                              Mr Hudson
                              I understand you have boring life home
                              but......
                              you don't think this discussion about cars is out of topic ?
                              And so is world history, sports, and your posting. so, my question to you is, why are you here?
                              "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by iperson:
                                Yeah! And you know what else?
                                America completely s.ucks in soccer. Your teams are always the source of jokes and laughter all over Europe.
                                America ,historically, has never been good at soccer, well except for the women's team that won the world cup back in 1994(?). Mia Ham ring a bell to you? As for American football, this is maybe the equivalent to summo wrestling. It only occurs in one region of the world, like a majority of sports. And why should Americans care about what Europe thinks about a sport they don't even play?
                                "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre

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