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    Two Cents on Illegal Immigration

    Jim Bacon comments :

    <span class="ev_code_RED">illegal immigration is a unavoidably a state/local problem when illegal immigrants apply for food stamps, seek medical care and attend overcrowded, fiscally stressed schools. These problems cannot be fobbed onto the federal government. The problems are inherently local, and they're real. </span>


    Do we hear that? Republicans. Arguing that people should be shooed off because they are adversely impacting our socialized safety net of food stamps, medical care, and public schools.

    Does anyone else see the problem here?

    Let's be brutally honest. The reason why these programs are failing isn't because of the impact of illegal immigration. They're failing because they are traditionally societal roles that are being hijacked by a government bent on stressing socialism rather than individualism.

    To fork over the failure of these institutions upon a convenient class of people isn't exactly what I would call just, though it certainly is a predictable repetition of history with respects to human nature.

    Setting aside the contradiction conservatives offer defending liberally-imposed social agendas, what we have here is an appeal to that old American fear of "the other". That when something doesn't go well, we find some group of people to blame. At first it was the British, then the French, then Indians, next the Irish, extending to Catholics, then to Slavs, then to African-Americans, and currently with anyone of Arab descent. History does indeed repeat.

    Now in an age where our open borders and socialized government system have been under threat, we are presented with illegal immigration. And it's not a stretch to say that when people speak of "illegal immigration," it's shorthand for Latin Americans crossing the Mexican border, and not grandma from the Ukraine stuffed into a duffle bag on the next Delta flight.

    Here is where the rubber meets the road. Conservativism in my mind (and a slight deviation from the definition Ken Cuccinelli gave this morning) operates on the principles of free markets, free people, and a free society. That comes with a price tag, starting with the rules necessary to make socieities free.

    If the concerns from the Howell bench stem from the impact illegal aliens have on our social programs, then what precisely is the problem then? As a conservative, I might suggest that the problem isn't so much the presence of illegal immigrants per se, but rather the presence of government, a presence conservatives are supposed to be fighting against.

    Seeing this, let's argue in hypotheticals. If the social programs these illegal aliens are supposedly straining to the breaking point ceased to exist tomorrow, would the opposition be so strong?

    Now one might argue yes, and I'll offer two generalized scenarios:

    (1) Yes Shaun, they should still be removed because they are here in the United States illegally.

    Then remove them, as is the federal governments responsibility to do so.

    (2) Yes Shaun, they should still be removed because they are filthy Mexicans.

    Then I say you're a racist, and deserve to be beaten to a d*amn pulp.

    So the argument boils down accordingly. The argument against illegal immigration is either (1) a decision policy makers in Washington - not Richmond - need to develop and enforce, or (2) one motivated purely on the fear of "the other" and based on race. Propping up decaying social programs and using illegal immigrants as the scapegoat is only making a bad situation terribly worse.
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    One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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    Two Cents on Illegal Immigration

    Jim Bacon comments :

    <span class="ev_code_RED">illegal immigration is a unavoidably a state/local problem when illegal immigrants apply for food stamps, seek medical care and attend overcrowded, fiscally stressed schools. These problems cannot be fobbed onto the federal government. The problems are inherently local, and they're real. </span>


    Do we hear that? Republicans. Arguing that people should be shooed off because they are adversely impacting our socialized safety net of food stamps, medical care, and public schools.

    Does anyone else see the problem here?

    Let's be brutally honest. The reason why these programs are failing isn't because of the impact of illegal immigration. They're failing because they are traditionally societal roles that are being hijacked by a government bent on stressing socialism rather than individualism.

    To fork over the failure of these institutions upon a convenient class of people isn't exactly what I would call just, though it certainly is a predictable repetition of history with respects to human nature.

    Setting aside the contradiction conservatives offer defending liberally-imposed social agendas, what we have here is an appeal to that old American fear of "the other". That when something doesn't go well, we find some group of people to blame. At first it was the British, then the French, then Indians, next the Irish, extending to Catholics, then to Slavs, then to African-Americans, and currently with anyone of Arab descent. History does indeed repeat.

    Now in an age where our open borders and socialized government system have been under threat, we are presented with illegal immigration. And it's not a stretch to say that when people speak of "illegal immigration," it's shorthand for Latin Americans crossing the Mexican border, and not grandma from the Ukraine stuffed into a duffle bag on the next Delta flight.

    Here is where the rubber meets the road. Conservativism in my mind (and a slight deviation from the definition Ken Cuccinelli gave this morning) operates on the principles of free markets, free people, and a free society. That comes with a price tag, starting with the rules necessary to make socieities free.

    If the concerns from the Howell bench stem from the impact illegal aliens have on our social programs, then what precisely is the problem then? As a conservative, I might suggest that the problem isn't so much the presence of illegal immigrants per se, but rather the presence of government, a presence conservatives are supposed to be fighting against.

    Seeing this, let's argue in hypotheticals. If the social programs these illegal aliens are supposedly straining to the breaking point ceased to exist tomorrow, would the opposition be so strong?

    Now one might argue yes, and I'll offer two generalized scenarios:

    (1) Yes Shaun, they should still be removed because they are here in the United States illegally.

    Then remove them, as is the federal governments responsibility to do so.

    (2) Yes Shaun, they should still be removed because they are filthy Mexicans.

    Then I say you're a racist, and deserve to be beaten to a d*amn pulp.

    So the argument boils down accordingly. The argument against illegal immigration is either (1) a decision policy makers in Washington - not Richmond - need to develop and enforce, or (2) one motivated purely on the fear of "the other" and based on race. Propping up decaying social programs and using illegal immigrants as the scapegoat is only making a bad situation terribly worse.
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    [COLOR:BLUE][B]When the creations of a genius collide with the mind of a layman, and produce an empty sound, there is little doubt as to which is at fault.

    One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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    • #3
      Any comments?
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      One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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      • #4
        illegals are a DRAIN and a disease on the US economy.

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        • #5
          Any comment related to the TOPIC is welcomed
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          One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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          • #6
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Someone12:
            illegals are a DRAIN and a disease on the US economy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            If illegals are a disease, than you too are a disease to them as well. What source do you have that gives you the right to comment? Even though everyone have the right of Free Speech. You are shut a ********!
            Try to put your self in their shoe. Than see how you feel about all of this. calling then=m dirtbag, than so are you!

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            • #7
              I am an American citzen, a taxpayer, who is sick and tired of watching my $$$ go down the sewer supporting illegal aliens and their brats, listening to them and their equally braindead supporters whine about their "rights"-- sorry, they have NO right to even be in the US...and so far, not a single one has ever been able to challenge that fact!
              Ain't Freedom of Speech wonderful?

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              • #8
                Question of the thread is NOT "how would you feel in another's shoes",
                but the question IS:

                Are illegals drain on social services or convenient scapegoats ?

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                One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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                • #9
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They're failing because they are traditionally societal roles that are being hijacked by a government bent on stressing socialism rather than individualism </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  In a capitalist society in which 5% of the people own 95% of everything I am ALL FOR socialism.

                  Until we live in a truly fair society in which EVERYONE can prosper and earn a decent wage and buy affordable health care I think the government should provide the poor with things they need.

                  And some people just don't have the mental capacity to get into this nasty rat race in America and get one of those few high paying jobs to function and survive in society.

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                  • #10
                    I must reiterate the question, because apparently there are number of posters who come here 24/7/365 with the single purpose to distract and confuse readers.

                    So, here is what needs to be figured out:

                    Are illegals drain on social services or convenient scapegoats ?

                    Read the copy-pasted article by Conservative Republican author, Shaun Kenney, and share your opinion on question asked.
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                    One day it will have to be officially admitted that

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                    • #11
                      Someone 12,
                      You are not the only one who is paying taxes. If the illegal do get your tax money, that is not compare to what the Government is doing with your tax money. They don't even have to lift a finger and they get pay and have parties and vaction with the tax money. Don't look at the illegal that is wasting your tax money, but look at your Government.

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                      • #12
                        Well lets see, some Illegals do receive social services, but I bet not at a higher rate than lets say an American Citizen. Most of these Illegals that receive the services are families that have American Citizen kids.
                        I would say that the service they use the most is WIC and cheap housing. Now If you all know Wic is a program that ensures that these kids grow up with the right nutrients and don't go hungry.(which you have to be just plain COLD to want to deny these services to the kids)
                        Lets say some of them get housing and are paying cheap housing. Who cares!!! its only a small percentage! and the money they have left after paying cheap housing gets used right back into the economy.

                        What about their kids, well let me tell you. I participate in plenty of sports and I see many of their kids participating, their parents volunteering as coaches and being a major part in the community.

                        So I guess my answer to your question is NO, they are only used as scapegoats.

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                        • #13
                          Dear ElJEFE (or El DoucheBag): those same illegals somehow manage to send $30B back to their own countries and relatives so those relatives can swill booze and buy cigarettes....few of those dollars go towards long term investment, starting up businesses or anything productive...most of those dollars go to consumerism....yet these same leeching douchebag illegals pay $0 towards their brats' education or medical health...and we, the American taxpayers, are footing the bill!!1 WHY??? Those irresponsible illegals have NO right to be in the United States of AMerica....period.
                          I say make these A-holes spend part or all of that $30B for airline tickets....back to their own $hithole of a country....and let them work hard to improve their own neighborbood, their own cities, etc. and stop mooching off US taxpayers....

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                          • #14
                            Someone 12: What prove do you have to saidthat they sent $30B back to their own countries? If you have prove than we'll listen, otherwise don't make it up.

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                            • #15
                              They comes over here to gain something for them and US. Without them who will do the drity job? You? You have to know that they wanted a better life.

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