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    • #3
      Our basic immigration laws are quite needs a visa to cross our borders legally. Sloshing through the Rio Grande is not the legal way - it does not take a genius to figure that out.
      The US cannot absorb anyone and everyone who wants to share in the American way...otherwise, our lifestyle would go down the drain, a fact 101% of illegal immigrant supporters conveniently forget.


      • #4
        Someone 12 you can never backup what you dish out, Face facts partner, people like you and liemaster might as well have crawled out of your bard like a good ol' boy and sit on this forum and say this and that but fact is, illegal immgration actually contributes more to the economy than you know.

        Myths about Undocumented Immigrants

        *Undocumented immigrant workers take jobs away from native workers.

        Studies show that undocumented immigration either has no effect on native workers or actually increases their labor market opportunities by boosting the industries that create new jobs. Undocumented immigrants often take jobs that others in the community refuse to perform. For example, the railroads across the West were largely built by Chinese immigrants, and large-scale agricultural production still relies on Mexican workers, many of whom are migrants, not immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are an intrinsic part of our economy and our daily lives. We see and talk to them everyday, they clean our homes and offices, care for our children, tend our gardens, prepare our food, build and improve our homes. Those who say that these jobs would be filled by documented U.S. residents, if undocumented workers were removed, may not be aware of the serious labor shortages in these relatively unskilled, low-paying occupations, or of the projections for a growing demand for these types of workers. The unemployment rate in Mercer County stands at 3.7%, significantly below the national and state averages. In practical terms, Mercer County has full employment. Higher wages alone would not be sufficient to attract U.S. born workers to these low status jobs, and there is a limit as to how high wages would be able to rise without creating an inflationary effect on other occupations up the ladder. A $15 an hour dishwasher job may persuade a middle class teenager to give up postsecondary education and enter the workforce. But everyone else's salaries in the restaurant would have to rise commensurately. Any guesses as to how high the average dinner tab at a restaurant would go up? What would be the wage at which young people might consider a career as domestic workers? Without immigrants, how many two-income households would have to give up one income because of the inability to find affordable housekeeping and childcare services?

        *Undocumented immigrants come to the United States to get welfare.

        Undocumented men come to the United States almost exclusively to work. In 2003, over 90 percent of undocumented men worked"”a rate higher than that for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants (Passel, Capps, and Fix 2004). Undocumented men are younger, less likely to be in school, and less likely to be retired than other men (Capps et al. 2003). Moreover, undocumented immigrants are ineligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits (Fix, Zimmermann, and Passel 2001).

        * Undocumented immigrants all crossed the Mexican border.

        Between 60 and 75 percent of the more than 10 million undocumented immigrants entered illegally and without inspection"”mostly across the Mexican border. The other 25 to 40 percent entered legally and subsequently overstayed visas or otherwise violated the terms of their admission (Passel 2005).

        * Undocumented immigrants are all single men.

        Over 40 percent of undocumented adults are women, and the majority (54 percent) of undocumented men live in married couples or other families (Passel 2005). Fewer than half of undocumented men are single and unattached.

        * Most children of the undocumented are unauthorized.

        In fact, two-thirds of all children with undocumented parents (about 3 million) are U.S.-born citizens who live in mixed-status families.

        * A large share of schoolchildren are undocumented.

        Nationally in 2000, only 1.5 percent of elementary schoolchildren (enrolled in kindergarten through 5th grade) and 3 percent of secondary children (grades 6-12) were undocumented. Slightly higher shares"”5 percent in elementary and 4 percent in secondary schools"”had undocumented parents.

        * Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

        Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes"”whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents"”and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).

        *Undocumented immigrants should be deported

        Undocumented immigrants are not a separate and distinct group of people who can be neatly "removed" from our midst. These neighbors are part of "us". According to the Urban Institute, 85% of immigrant families are of mixed-status. This means that undocumented immigrants live mostly with other family members who have legal immigration status, or are U.S. citizens. We have been hearing about the emotional and economic devastation visited on the families affected by recent immigration raids when the main or only breadwinner in the household is taken away. It is not just the U.S. citizen dependents of these undocumented immigrants who suffer. Their employers, the religious congregations where they worshiped, the businesses they patronized and society at large suffers when hard- working, tax-paying, productive members are taken away. The "pie" gets smaller.

        *Undocumented Immigrants are criminals

        Lack of immigration status is not a voluntary choice in most cases. Many of those deported in recent months in our area had attempted to obtain legal status, but after a complex and very expensive process, were rejected because in the years it took to decide on their petitions, the situation in their country might have marginally improved. Others had been denied the opportunity to even start the process, because they come from a country like Mexico, where visa quotas are set unrealistically low. The inability to achieve legal status has nothing to do with the mostly exemplary behavior of these undocumented immigrants, or a perverse desire on their part to remain disenfranchised. There are willing employers and relatives who wish to sponsor them, but the barriers put up by a dysfunctional immigration system stand in the way of legalizing the status of most undocumented immigrants. We have criminalized people for seeking a better future through hard work, doing what we and our ancestors did since this country was founded. Rather than dedicating resources to decreasing the backlog of immigration petitions so that families can be reunited, and employers can fill job vacancies, Congress has chosen to increase expenditures in more border militarization, and jail for immigrant detainees. In the words of Carl Sandburg "When a nation goes down, or a society perishes, one condition may always be found; they forgot where they came from. They lost sight of what had brought them along."

        *Undocumented immigrants are a negative drain to society

        There are some who allege that these immigrants consume more social services, like health and education, than what they contribute in taxes and through their work. Most studies reflect just the opposite. The studies which claim a negative economic impact from illegal immigration do not account for the future contributions of the children of immigrants who are the principal beneficiaries of the social services provided to these families. Some question why children of immigrants should be entitled to an education at taxpayers' expense. The answer is simple: because they will make up the future workforce that will sustain our growing retiree population. In the 1990-2000 decade, New Jersey would have had zero population growth without the influx of new immigrants. At a time when we are contemplating the need to reform our Social Security system because of the unsustainable demands the retirement of the Baby-Boom generation will impose, how can we responsibly consider removing immigrants from our society? The Social Security Administration is holding $421 billion in an"Earnings Suspense Fund" for wages reported under "unmatched" Social Security numbers, which are likely to belong in large part to undocumented immigrants.

        * The United States is being overrun with undocumented immigrants.

        The estimated number of illegal aliens living in the U.S. ranges from 5 to 8 million. This accounts for approximately 2% of the U.S. population. About half of those undocumented immigrants came legally to this country and became illegal by remaining here after their visas expire.

        * Most immigrants to the United States are illegal, undocumented aliens who come only for economic reasons.

        According to the INS, 849, 807 immigrants were legally admitted to the U.S in 2000. Economics played a role in those arrivals, but family, work, and basic freedoms are also significant considerations influencing people's decision to come to this country. Of the immigrants coming legally to the U.S. in 2000, 69% came to be reunited with immediate family members (parents, children, siblings, or spouses), 13% were sponsored by U.S. employers to fill in positions for which no U.S. worker is available, and an additional 8% came as refugees or asylees, fleeing persecution and looking for safety and freedom in the U.S. Like generations of immigrants before them, these immigrants came to this country looking for a better life, and their energy and ideas enrich all our communities.



        • #5
          Hi This is my first time on here. I am just mailnly looking for advise. My husband came to the U.S. illegally two and a half yeras ago. He was only planning on staying here for 6 monhs, then he was going to go back to Mexico. His mom was very ill and he needed money to save her. We met 2 weeks before he was going to leave. He decided to stay. We fell in love and I already had a daughter at that time and she was 6 months old. He fathered her because her real father is in prison. we got married in July 2004. Now we have a baby together, married and happy, however he misses his amily in mexico. He does not want to take the risk of going back and then not being able to come here again. Is there any way that you know of that we can make him legal or atleast ably to work a better job and be able to see his family and come back? Thank yo for your time.


          • #6
            how would I file a waiver for hardship? and how much do you think it would cost? do you have a website that I could go to? This is very important for us. Thanks for your responses!!


            • #7

              Go to this site and you will see many people in your situation.


              • #8
                Iperson--Unless we had totally open borders, which would work to the detriment of the people of the US, we have to have limits on how many and who immigrates. But then, you favor open borders, as I recall, and wouldn't be satisfied with any immigration policy that didn't allow for that. There are legal ways for people to immigrate here. It's simply that we're somewhat picky about who comes here.

                Roughly 20 percent of all LEGAL immigration to the US is from MEXICO (see Statistical Yearbook of the US) because our policy does favor "family reunification". Family reunification also accounts for most of the 1 million or so legal immigrants we get each year, and many of these are unskilled or semi-skilled. Employment-based visas typically for high skilled workers are limited to roughly 140,000 each year. And yes, we could admit more low-skilled workers, but then, employers haven't wanted to sponsor workers such as these for even TEMPORARY guest worker programs such as the H2 programs, much less push for a revision in our green card process that would allow them to sponsor unskilled workers.