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    The illegals were shouting "death to America" and "US out of North America."

    Of course, according to people like George Bush, Sen. Lugar (R-Ind), Sen. Boxer (D-Cal), Sen. Brownback (R-Kans) these people just want to come and do the work that Americans won't do for sub-par wages while evading taxes.

    Definitely go to this site and see the rally including the "masked bandits" who shouted "death to the United States" and "we will push the U.S. into the sea" among other epithets. They hid their faces with ski masks and bandannas and took pictures of everyone else.


    http://community.webshots.com/script...y=ZjwHSv&pos=8

    PEACEFUL INVADERS' FIFTH COLUMN

    March 12, 2004

    fifth column n. [First applied in 1936 to rebel sympathizers inside Madrid when four columns of rebel troops were attacking the city.] A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims. -- Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary

    Four columns of Mexican peaceful invaders, a.k.a. "illegal immigrants" or simply "migrants", are marching on America. Fifth column is awaiting them inside to open the gates to the country and its structures of political power. Until recently, Mexican fifth columnists were just obstructing enforcement of America's border and her immigration laws and pushing for peaceful invaders' "rights" to driver's licenses, free education, and various taxpayer-funded benefits once reserved for American citizens, particularly those experiencing financial hardship. Now, they added one item to their political agenda: the invaders' "right" to vote. Per California Aggie (see [1]), a UC Davis Law School panel including UCLA law professor Joaquin Avila, UC Davis law professor Kevin Johnson and Adela De La Torre, chair of the Chicano Studies Department at UC Davis, concluded that "barring non-citizens from the political process and excluding them from serving on juries is a `recipe for civil unrest'." (Quite a blackmail, isn't it?)

    So much for "they are coming here only to do jobs that Americans won't" (if anybody still believes in that bull). Once the "migrants" put their foot on American soil, giving them jobs that they ostensibly came for is not enough, even though it's done at the expense of millions of jobless Americans who are reluctant to work for a Third-World wage. (After all, they, as opposed to many "migrant workers", have to pay income tax on what they earn.) It's even not enough that twice or thrice as many of non-working relatives and children of the "migrant workers" are getting on some form of public dole, compliments of those Americans who do pay their fair share of taxes. Now, because so many of them gave themselves permission to move in to America, these "undocumented citizens" should not be denied their God-given right to elect governments of their liking, or so Avila et al. seem to suggest.

    Think of it. Every single Mexican illegally crossing the American border or refusing to go back home after his visa expired, is de facto a soldier of this multimillion army of peaceful invaders who will, eventually, claim the ultimate benefit of the invasion: the power to elect and, by this, the power to rule and tax. We are fortunate that the Mexican fifth columnists are not smart enough to not advertise their subversive aims until the invasion reached the point of no return. For now it doesn't take much to reverse it - a simple revocation of all forms of public assistance to illegal aliens would force most of them to return to Mexico and other undeveloped countries of their origin, where the living costs are but a small fraction of those in the U.S., after making here some quick $$ on a seasonal job. But as soon as they vote themselves into American political system, the game is over.

    For those of you who don't see anything wrong with Mexican "migrants" peacefully taking over America, just take a look what they've done to their beloved country, Mexico, that a vast majority of them refuse to denounce even if offered American citizenship. Lawlessness, rebellions, corruption, poverty, and exploitation are among the most defining attributes of the Mexican nation. Expect the same here after the Mexicans are given a chance to remake America according to their liking. No matter how much the open order lobby denies it, this will be an unavoidable logical consequence of letting tens of millions of unassimilating Mexican aliens into the U.S. and giving them a voice in American political process. Conclusion worth of realization for all those who keep saying: "They are not hurting anyone."

  • #2
    The illegals were shouting "death to America" and "US out of North America."

    Of course, according to people like George Bush, Sen. Lugar (R-Ind), Sen. Boxer (D-Cal), Sen. Brownback (R-Kans) these people just want to come and do the work that Americans won't do for sub-par wages while evading taxes.

    Definitely go to this site and see the rally including the "masked bandits" who shouted "death to the United States" and "we will push the U.S. into the sea" among other epithets. They hid their faces with ski masks and bandannas and took pictures of everyone else.


    http://community.webshots.com/script...y=ZjwHSv&pos=8

    PEACEFUL INVADERS' FIFTH COLUMN

    March 12, 2004

    fifth column n. [First applied in 1936 to rebel sympathizers inside Madrid when four columns of rebel troops were attacking the city.] A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims. -- Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary

    Four columns of Mexican peaceful invaders, a.k.a. "illegal immigrants" or simply "migrants", are marching on America. Fifth column is awaiting them inside to open the gates to the country and its structures of political power. Until recently, Mexican fifth columnists were just obstructing enforcement of America's border and her immigration laws and pushing for peaceful invaders' "rights" to driver's licenses, free education, and various taxpayer-funded benefits once reserved for American citizens, particularly those experiencing financial hardship. Now, they added one item to their political agenda: the invaders' "right" to vote. Per California Aggie (see [1]), a UC Davis Law School panel including UCLA law professor Joaquin Avila, UC Davis law professor Kevin Johnson and Adela De La Torre, chair of the Chicano Studies Department at UC Davis, concluded that "barring non-citizens from the political process and excluding them from serving on juries is a `recipe for civil unrest'." (Quite a blackmail, isn't it?)

    So much for "they are coming here only to do jobs that Americans won't" (if anybody still believes in that bull). Once the "migrants" put their foot on American soil, giving them jobs that they ostensibly came for is not enough, even though it's done at the expense of millions of jobless Americans who are reluctant to work for a Third-World wage. (After all, they, as opposed to many "migrant workers", have to pay income tax on what they earn.) It's even not enough that twice or thrice as many of non-working relatives and children of the "migrant workers" are getting on some form of public dole, compliments of those Americans who do pay their fair share of taxes. Now, because so many of them gave themselves permission to move in to America, these "undocumented citizens" should not be denied their God-given right to elect governments of their liking, or so Avila et al. seem to suggest.

    Think of it. Every single Mexican illegally crossing the American border or refusing to go back home after his visa expired, is de facto a soldier of this multimillion army of peaceful invaders who will, eventually, claim the ultimate benefit of the invasion: the power to elect and, by this, the power to rule and tax. We are fortunate that the Mexican fifth columnists are not smart enough to not advertise their subversive aims until the invasion reached the point of no return. For now it doesn't take much to reverse it - a simple revocation of all forms of public assistance to illegal aliens would force most of them to return to Mexico and other undeveloped countries of their origin, where the living costs are but a small fraction of those in the U.S., after making here some quick $$ on a seasonal job. But as soon as they vote themselves into American political system, the game is over.

    For those of you who don't see anything wrong with Mexican "migrants" peacefully taking over America, just take a look what they've done to their beloved country, Mexico, that a vast majority of them refuse to denounce even if offered American citizenship. Lawlessness, rebellions, corruption, poverty, and exploitation are among the most defining attributes of the Mexican nation. Expect the same here after the Mexicans are given a chance to remake America according to their liking. No matter how much the open order lobby denies it, this will be an unavoidable logical consequence of letting tens of millions of unassimilating Mexican aliens into the U.S. and giving them a voice in American political process. Conclusion worth of realization for all those who keep saying: "They are not hurting anyone."

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    • #3
      Obviously ANY Mexican, or ANY other Legal or Illegal Alien, regardless of Race or National Origin, who shouts "Death To America" on the streets is not only an idiot and imbecile, but also is in dire violation of INA Title 50(War and National Defense, ALIEN ENEMIES), as well as various other Sections of INA, including Sections 212(a)(2)(3)(A)(iii),212(a)(2)(3)(C)(i), certain parts of Section 237 and some other sections of the Title 8 CFR.

      Those particular individuals, and NOT Mexicans as Nation, or Immigrants in general, should be TARGETED and PUNISHED to the full extent, as permitted under the Laws that were in the books for decades now.

      But if one reads this posting of Acelaw, especially this quote:
      "Lawlessness, rebellions, corruption, poverty, and exploitation are among the most defining attributes of the Mexican nation",
      then one must assume that according to Acelaw Mexicans as a NATION = Lawless = Rebellious = Alien Illegal Enemies and etc.

      I don't want to use epithets to describe such "classification" as applied here by "ACE"law.

      But I will only say that in a struggle against domestic enemies, all goodwilling people should unite and help each other for their own , common well being: Citizens and non-Citizens, Americans and Mexicans, Legal and Illegal and etc.

      I am sure there are Mexicans who must be sick of those Mexicans who by shouting "Death To America" make only the lives of normal people here miserable.

      But think of what will happen, where will those Pro-American Mexicans find themselves if on one hand they want to integrate, join the American Society, but on the other posters like Acelaw make an equation between an ENTIRE MEXICAN NATION and AN OUTLAW LAWLESS REBELS?

      If there were murderers, lawless, rebellious gang groups in L.A.,CA then would you go saying: ALL People of California are Murdererous Marauders and Rebels?
      What would the effect of such proclamation be?

      I leave it to readers to determine.

      Good luck all

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      • #4
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        • #5
          I know a lot of Mexican immigrants on a personal level, and I have never heard ANY of them say anything even close to that!! I have heard more white, native-born Americans spitefuly criticize America than any other group!! Not that it makes any difference. It will always be the immigrant who is to blame. That's just the way people are. It's been going on forever. ***sigh*** People who insist on casting thier judgement so freely and so harshly just don't know what they're missing.
          Have a nice day

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          • #6
            You all here who excercise your right to freedom of speech and then complain because others do so are big fat hypocrites!!

            I don't agree with what they were saying but I don't agree with half of what I read on here either.

            QUIT COMPLAINING.....THERE ARE AMERICANS WHO SPY FOR IRAQ AND AMERICANS WHO BURN FLAGS, ETC., WHY WOULD ANY OTHER NATIONALITY HAVE ALL PEOPLE OF ONE OPINION OR BELIEF. HOW IGNORANT OF YOU!!

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            • #7
              Angie:

              Just a little correction here:
              First Amendment gives you the right to speak out your mind.
              It doesn't give you the right to violate other statutes of CFR.

              In some cases, such as described by Acelaw (shouting "Death to America"), it is not simply a "Free Speech" but a criminal act.

              If you have a trouble distinguishing between two, then I recommend you either take some courses in LAW, or just read a little and understand that legal world is not simply "black-and-white", but has hundreds of shades and colors.
              It is unfortunate thing not to know it.

              Now, I don't know exactly who you refer to when you say "You all here who excercise your right to freedom of speech and then complain because others do so are big fat hypocrites!!", but just in case if your statement includes me, I reccomend that you read my replies carefully.

              Not only did I avoid using epithets, but I also ended my posting by questioning readers what the effect of what Acelaw says would be on MEXICANS in general?
              For he makes clear his opinion that entire Mexican Nation is made of Lawless, Rebellious Marauders.

              I don't think that he has no right to say what he thinks, as long as it is not in violation of other Laws of the State.

              Of course he could claim that Mexicans are all criminals, but what such claim would accomplish and how constructive the results would be?

              I leave it to readers to determine.

              Good luck.

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              • #8
                Glühbirne


                I know a lot of Mexican immigrants on a personal level, and I have never heard ANY of them say anything even close to that!! I have heard more white, native-born Americans spitefuly criticize America than any other group!! Not that it makes any difference. It will always be the immigrant who is to blame. That's just the way people are. It's been going on forever. ***sigh*** People who insist on casting thier judgement so freely and so harshly just don't know what they're missing.

                The FACTS don't lie!!

                Taylor Scott
                American Renaissance
                Vol. 15, No. 3, March 2004
                (condensed)
                Recently President Bush has proposed a "guest worker" program that grants amnesty to the eight to 14 million illegal aliens living in the United States. Of this number, an estimated 90 percent are Hispanic, and nearly 80 percent are Mexican. They are said to be a wonderful addition to America because they not only offer cheap labor, they have "strong family values."
                To praise Hispanic "family values" is to imply that the social and moral characteristics of Hispanics is superior to that of other Americans. Presumably this means Hispanics are particularly likely to marry, have children within wedlock, support their families, care for their children, and set a good example for them.
                In fact, none of this is true. By every significant social measure, Hispanics rank below whites and, on occasion, below blacks. Strong Hispanic "family values" are a myth.
                Fully 42 percent of Hispanic women in the U. S. who gave birth in 1999 were unmarried. The black rate of 69 percent and the white rate was 22 percent.
                Many of these children are the result of pregnancy at a very early age. Hispanic girls under age 14 give birth at a rate more than four times the white rate. Child-bearing as young as this is nearly always a prelude to disaster. When it comes to births to girls ages 15 to 17, Hispanics, at three time the white rate, are more fertile than blacks.
                Hispanics do marry, and are considerably more likely to do so than blacks, but are less likely than whites. They are also more likely than whites to divorce, and never to have married.
                Are Hispanics good parents? One minimal measure of success is keeping one's children from being killed. Hispanic children, ages 10 to 19, are four times more likely than whites to be shot to death.
                A study of Colorado traffic accidents published in the December 2000 issue of the Annals of Emergency Medicine concludes that, compared to whites, "Hispanic drivers have higher rates of safety belt non-use, speeding, invalid licensure and alcohol involvement, with correspondingly higher rates of death in traffic crashes."
                A U. of Colorado study found that the death rate in accidents was 75 percent higher for Hispanics that for whites.
                A Johns Hopkins U. study in 1998 found that Hispanic children are 72 percent more likely die in traffic accidents than white children. As the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has noted, they are also "more likely to run after a crash," partly because many are here illegally and do not have insurance. Uninsured drivers raise the cost of insurance for everyone else.
                Hispanics are also more likely than whites to drive drunk. A U. of Texas study published in 2000 found that 19 percent of Hispanic men reported having been arrested for drunk driving, compared to 13 percent for white men. Hispanic death rates for cirrhosis of the liver, a condition usually brought on by chronic drunkenness, seem to confirm this.
                Nor is Hispanic alcoholism restricted to men. The Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Surveillance Network reports than in Arizona and Colorado--two heavily Hispanic states probably typical of the nation as a whole--Hispanic babies are twice as likely as white babies to be born with fetal alcohol syndrome.
                As for education, Hispanics are even less likely than blacks to finish high school, which reflects as much on parents as on students. Those who do graduate have test scores far below those of whites, and only a few points higher than blacks. The billions of dollars poured into bilingual education and other programs to boost Hispanic performance and keep then in school are not working.
                Hispanics also do a poor job of providing med care for their children. More than a third--a proportion even greater than for blacks--do not have medical insurance.
                Rates of sexually transmitted diseases are a good indicator both of promiscuity and indifference to hygiene. Rates for Hispanics for syphilis, gonorrhea, and HIV infection are considerably lower than for blacks, but are about three times the white rate.
                We hear over and over that Hispanics are ready to take any job, even jobs native whites refuse. Why then, are they more likely than whites to be unemployed? Eager to work Hispanics pouring across the border should have virtually no unemployment, yet their jobless rate is nearly double that of whites. Hispanics are also more likely to be on welfare than whites.
                It is hard to be a good parent from inside jail, and there are no national crime figures that separate Hispanics from whites, but California gives an indication of what is likely to be true for Hispanics generally. In California, Hispanics are nearly three times as likely as whites to be murdered, and about four times as likely to be shot to death. They are also about 3.7 times more likely than whites to be arrested for murder.
                Those who assume arrest rates reflect nothing but police "racism" should note that in California, Hispanics are actually slightly more likely than whites to be convicted for murder (77.7 percent v. 75.6 percent) once they are arrested. If there is a "racist" plot to jail Hispanics, it must pervade the justice system top to bottom, including the increasingly Hispanic jury pool.
                California stats show that Hispanics are well over twice as likely as whites to be arrested for rape and other sexual offenses.
                By virtually no conceivable measure do Hispanics demonstrate strong "family values."
                Hispanics are already creating language enclaves that in the long-term could threaten the country with the kinds of divisions that wrack Belgium and Quebec. At the same time, more than half of all Hispanics are Mexicans, who bring with them a deep loyalty to a foreign country that lies just across our southern border. Wherever Hispanics arrive in large numbers they so thoroughly change the feel of a neighborhood that many non-Hispanics, white and black, feel uncomfortable and move away.
                The question of legality or illegality is a side issue. The question is whether America should become more Hispanic, and the answer is clearly no.
                By every standard measure a burgeoning Hispanic population only exacerbates problems that have festered for decades: crime, illegitimacy, teen pregnancy, unemployment, poor school performance, poverty. Even IF Hispanics really do take jobs no other American will--and their unemployment and welfare rates prove that certainly not all of them do--the habits they bring with them maker them a very bad demographic bargain.

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                • #9
                  Gluhbirne--When, as our national (and often "pro-immigrant") press reports that mobs of Mexicans at the U.S.-Mexico soccer matches were shouting "Osama" and "Death to America", well, that's a pretty good indication that many, if not most, Mexicans do not like the U.S. They may envy our standard of living, and want to work here because wages are higher, but like us they do not. NOR most significantly did the Mexican government apologize to us for the behavior, or indeed, say anything critical about it. When this event occurs in the same country which is trying to convince us to legalize its citizens who entered our country illegally, to lobby our state and local governments to accept matricula consular, and to grant Mexican citizens special treatment in entering our country, I'm sure not inclined to do them any favors. Not that I was before, but this sure deepens my conviction.

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                  • #10
                    Right after the Sept. 11 attacks happened several of the gas stations owned by Middle East people, were caught saying down with United States, we got what we deserved. Word got out and guess what? They went out of business. Now most of the gas stations here are owned by white people. My hubby, a MEXICAN national who entered illegally would love the chance to join our army and fight for the freedoms he has grown to love! I am proud of my hubby!

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                    • #11
                      I would like to add that the words of many most certainly DO NOT speak for ALL.

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                      • #12
                        Reina90--You're right, Reina. Which is precisely why we need to be careful about who is allowed to immigrate and who is not. Letting in all and sundry, legally or illegally, without careful scrutiny, is NOT the way to go.

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                        • #13
                          Oh, yes, Reina--I'm Arab-American.

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                          • #14
                            I'm NOT racist, I was just making the point that not all Mexicans can be blamed. It's all races who have some against the US.

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                            • #15
                              You know, quite frankly, when I read threads such as this one posted by aceIaw, I always wander:
                              I ask myself, why people such as aceIaw and others who support him, why don't they speak out MANLY and HONESTLY?

                              Why don't they say: "You know what, we don't give a darn about wrong and right, innocent or guilty, Mexican or Salvadoran, Legal or Illegal!
                              We simply HATE these people of color, because of their color, and because we think they are closer to monkeys on evolutionary ladder of Darvin, and we will always speak and act as we wish, no matter who thinks what about our judgement or actions!"

                              You know, that would be so much better, honest, MANLY way to speak your mind out.
                              But no, you have to pick and choose your stories, "frame" them in a certain way, so you can at the same time please your conscience for being "just and righteous" and hate the Entire Mexican Nation for their "marauding National character" on the other hand.

                              Here, I want to make myself clear:
                              I am not objecting to anyone who, using the right of free speech, says that he/she hates people of color no matter who they are.

                              But I will take it as an insult to my intelligence if the very same people who harbor these obvious feelings will claim that they do so in the name of the "Justice".

                              Go brainwash yourselves.

                              Now, in regards to Immigration Policy: I have said it twenty times and will repeat it again, if nesessary:

                              Yes, there are socio-political consequences of allowing uncontrolled flow of immigration in US.
                              Yes, it is BAD for economy, fabrick of society, political coherence, and overall National prosperity.
                              Yes, it breeds resentment and one day it might lead to violence.
                              Yes, all these are legitimate arguments and should be taken into consideration in framing an immigration policy, the one that will take these concerns into account, limit flow of Immigration, and deport all Illegal population, if nesessary.

                              But, it is an unworthy, lowly and contemptous thing to resort to inquisitory methods of "basdardizing" and morally judging Entire Mexican Nation in order to rationalize something that could be much more better argued for by intelligent, scientific means.

                              If you, AceIaw, think that America has enough immigrants, SAY SO.
                              Where is this lying, inquisitory spirit of twisting and spinning around facts come from?
                              What a cowardice!

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