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    A very close friend of mine was convicted of misdemeanor shoplifting (maximum penalty one year in prison) Under immigration laws, she is an "aggravated felon" and is deportable. She is however a green card holder, so I'd like to know if she could have some kind of relief from deportation available.

  • #2
    LPR being deported for misdemeanor shoplifting?!Gimme A Break!!

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    • #3
      I don't want to judge anyone...just it made me so angry when I read this kind of posts...
      why people do you blow up your chances to stay here...some people would give anything to have your green card...there are so many opportunities out there to get a job..to work...people complain about their country of origin..how poor it is over there...how hard to find a work...and once here they get insatisfied with what ever they have and want it the easy way...
      Shoplifting ??? how much was that ??? is it worth loosing your green card ? and the other guy with marijuana ??? is it worth leaving your girl friend and son behind ??
      Sorry people I don't mean to be judgemental..I know nobody is perfect...it's just a thought ...

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      • #4
        It is not likely that shoplifting will cause deportation (although it could if they are looking for a reason).

        And in relation to POT - it is 30 grams that is the magic number - so keep your purchases to 1 oz or less...

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        • #5
          I am completly agreed with souss. these things are not for us who want to live simple and peaceful life.

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          • #6
            Many newcomers to this country do not realize that seemingly minor crimes can have very serious immigration consequences. Caution dictates that one control any urge to commit a "minor" crime like shoplifting. The cost of even a small item can become very expensive for the offender when paying the criminal attorney, the immigration law attorney, possibly losing a good job, having the green card revoked, or losing eligibility to apply for U.S. citizenship -- all based on this "small" crime.

            We have been told that shoplifting is more likely to be prosecuted in the U.S. than in many other countries. For this reason, those from abroad may think that if they are caught with merchandise they did not pay for, they just have to return it and the whole incident will be forgotten. In the U.S., however, it is common for the store security guard or manager to call the police.

            Under state laws, shoplifting is considered a misdemeanor (often called petty theft) if the value of the merchandise is less than a certain amount, usually $300 or $500. (Criminal laws vary from state to state.) A higher amount is considered a felony, often known as grand theft or grand larceny.

            "Petty theft" may sound minor, especially if it involves merchandise of very low value, but the consequences can be major. The type of consequence depends on whether the issue arises in connection with the application for

            ~ a nonimmigrant visa,
            ~ for permanent status;
            ~ a removal (deportation) proceeding; or a
            ~ naturalization (citizenship) application.

            -- Inadmissibility Issues

            Section 212 of the Immigration and Nationality Act lists various grounds upon which a person can be found "inadmissible" to the United States. These provisions can affect one's application for a nonimmigrant (temporary) or immigrant (permanent) visa at a consulate; when a person arrives at a U.S. POE and applies to enter the country; or when a person files an Application for Adjustment of Status (Form I-485), which is the final stage of the green card process when applying from within the U.S. To obtain any of these immigration benefits, one must be admissible to the U.S.

            Among the various grounds of inadmissibility in Section 212, there are criminal grounds under 212(a)(2). One of these grounds is if the person is convicted of, or admits to having committed a "crime involving moral turpitude." The issue of what crimes involve moral turpitude is not always clear, and the definition of that term has evolved over the years through case law. However, it is established that theft offenses *are* often crimes of moral turpitude under the law. Therefore, committing even a minor theft can have serious consequences.

            The law provides a limited exception for very minor crimes, however, the availability of this exception depends upon the possible (not actual) maximum jail sentence allowed under state law for the crime, as well as the actual sentence the person receives. Therefore, it is erroneous to assume that if one avoids actual time in jail the crime is insignificant in immigration cases.

            The exception is sometimes termed the "petty offense exception." The criteria are that the maximum penalty under the particular criminal law is no more than a year in jail and the sentence actually imposed was not more than six months in jail (even the imposition of the sentence is suspended.) If one meets these criteria, the bar to inadmissibility may not apply after all. That is, the application would not be denied on criminal grounds. However, since the charge of petty theft includes, in many states, theft up to amounts of $500, or even greater, the maximum possible penalty can often exceed one year. This means that one who steals a pack of gum may be charged under the same provision of the criminal law as one who steals a much more valuable item. While it would be unlikely that such a person would not spend any substantial time in jail, if the jail time of over one year is possible under the provisions of the law for that offense, then the person could not use the petty offence exception.

            Note that even a suspended sentence is considered a jail sentence. A suspended sentence is one that does not have to be served, provided the defendant complies with conditions imposed by the court. A person could have a three-year sentence, for example, but the sentence could be suspended on the condition that a period of probation is completed. In such a case, one may be under the mistaken impression that there is no jail sentence, since s/he has never gone to jail. It is necessary to read the court documents very carefully.

            In order to establish that one qualifies for the exception, one must provide the actual state criminal statute clearly outlining the nature of the offense and the penalty at the time the offense was committed. It is also necessary to submit the court record, showing the charge and the sentence. If those documents are unclear, it may be necessary to provide a letter from a criminal law attorney to explain the document to the INS or the consular officer.

            -- Removability (Deportability) Issues

            While a person who is applying for a visa or for entry to the U.S. or Adjustment of Status to Permanent Resident (I-485) may be able to avoid severe consequences if all the requirements are met for an exception, one who is in removal (formerly known as deportation) proceedings has a much bigger problem. If a person is convicted of a crime of moral turpitude committed within five years of entering the U.S., s/he could face removal even if the crime was shoplifting or "petty theft."

            For one in removal proceedings there is no exception for so-called petty offenses. If this person has a spouse, parent, or child who is a U.S. citizen or permanent resident, it may be possible to apply for a discretionary waiver, but such waivers are very difficult to obtain and require a showing of "extreme hardship" to that relative.

            Furthermore, under the immigration law, it is possible a misdemeanor conviction for a crime such as shoplifting could qualify as an "aggravated felony." One convicted of an aggravated felony faces restrictions on his/her ability to apply for relief and avoid being deported. A shoplifting conviction is an aggravated felony if the sentence imposed is at least one year in jail, even if that sentence is suspended. A permanent resident of the U.S. with an aggravated felony conviction is not eligible to apply for the type of waiver described above and is also barred from most other forms of relief.

            -- Naturalization Issues

            When applying for citizenship it is necessary to show that one has been a person of "good moral character" for the past five years (three years for certain persons married to U.S. citizens). If there was any criminal conviction during that period, however minor, the application will likely be denied. For certain, more serious crimes the INS may even look back beyond than that 3-year or 5-year period.

            If a criminal conviction comes to light when one is applying for naturalization, s/he may well be placed in removal proceedings. While typically notified when a non-citizen is convicted of a crime, there are times when the INS is unaware of the situation and only finds out later. It is possible to be put into proceedings for a conviction that happened quite some time before. A naturalization applicant who is put into proceedings may be able to request that the proceedings be terminated to allow the naturalization application to be processed. The Immigration Judge has the discretion whether to grant such a request. The applicant must show "exceptionally appealing or humanitarian factors." As with all types of discretionary relief, the approval rate is not high.

            Strategic Considerations for Criminal Cases

            In addition to avoiding the temptation to engage in any illegal behavior, like shoplifting, it is also wise to associate with people who do not violate the law, in order to avoid the appearance of involvement in criminal activity. A good criminal attorney, with little or no knowledge of U.S. immigration laws, will generally recommend that a client plead guilty to minor charges in exchange for a lesser penalty, such as probation. While such a plea may be wise for the typical U.S. citizen client, it can be a problem for a non-citizen. A guilty plea counts as a conviction with potential immigration consequences.

            There are also other possible arrangements, such as "probation before judgment," that may not be considered convictions under state law, but are convictions under U.S. immigration law. A non-citizen charged with any crime should seek competent advice from both a criminal attorney and an immigration attorney before making decisions on how to proceed.

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            • #7
              .... and if all else fails, there's always Australia ;-D

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              • #8
                What about arrested in home country but not convicted, will this affect your adjusment of status? Crimes committed 21 years ago, passing bad checks. Lived here for 18 years, no crime committed.Thank you.

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                • #9
                  LOL carcinoma -- but then, if you do smth like this in Australia as well, then it'll be New Zealand

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                  • #10
                    I'd imagine, if you can't learn your lesson that you're not supposed to be shoplifting or stealing from others, that you'll eventually end up worse anyway. Not even New Zealand will help such as disturbed soul (again, I, too, don't want to sound judgemental, but unless you're
                    A. starving or
                    B. an experiementing child
                    there is very little reason why one should be shoplifting!!!)

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                    • #11
                      if this person does not care about having a green card, well, s/he may experiment as much as s/he wishes, but this kind of conduct is irritating to many people.

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                      • #12
                        This is a good example of why we don't want you people here. If you break the law to get here, you are not going to obey them afterwards. You come from countries with corupt (Mexico) governments and armys, and you bring your total disrespect for the rule of law with you. Our prisons are already overflowing with you. We are sick of it. Why can't Mexico send someone with money and a college education here? No they send us the dregs of their country. So now they have the best people who are free of all the criminals they send here. And about the taking welfare thing. Once you have a child born in the USA, that child is entitled to all the benefits. And being as the mother is the caretaker of the child, she is also able to get welfare,as we want our children to have parents. And being as you are all pregnant when you get here and stay that way for years, that is why you are bankrupting our country. Why do you think Mexico sends us all it's breeders? Because they don't want all of the uneducated grapepickers.They are pretty smart if you ask me.Can I sneak in there and get a job?

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Janna completely. If I am poor and barely have enough to eat, and I find a wallet full of money, would I keep it? No. If I have no transportation and I find an abandoned car in a field, would I take it and claim it as my own? No. If my kids have no clothes, would I shoplift them from the store? No. Would I use my neighbor's driveway if he goes on vacation? No. Would I go into my neighbor's house if he is gone? No.

                          Now, I COULD take those clothes for my kids and think that "I need them more than the store needs to make a profit." I COULD take the wallet, thinking "I need this money and as soon as I find work I won't ever do that again." I COULD take the car, thinking "As soon as I can buy one for myself, this is just this once, until I get on my feet."

                          Well, so far, I am guilty of three kinds of theft. No, I didn't rob a bank, but I've taken and I'm in possession of something that does not BELONG to me. That's the VERY REASON it's against the law and why I'm REQUIRED to PROVE ownership in some way (a "Receipt" of purchase, a "Title", etc.). Should my poverty or my poor circumstances allow me special treatment over everyone else? I think not. And what if there were millions of me doing similar (I don't consider "minor") things?

                          This country was built on an honor system -- one which trusts that we can all produce a "Receipt" or a "Title" or a "Document" to show ownership. Every person carries his own weight, by cooperation, and stands accountable if he cannot prove every claim (such as ownership, in this case) with a simple piece of paper.

                          We also require that those who come here have "Documents" to prove, through our Government, that they are here with our okay. That's the only way life works here, by free and willing cooperation, not by fraud and deceit. That's also why we don't post policemen on every corner to watch those who can't stand up and shout "Oh, yes, here. I have my proof. I have my Document."

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                          • #14
                            It looks like you guys are making this guy appear tha s/he did steal on purpose to get deported...I guess she did not. I am not saying that shoplifting is okay or not such a bid deal, but I guess a green card holder shouldn't be deported for a minor crime like this.

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                            • #15
                              janna, you say.

                              "You come from countries with corupt (Mexico) governments and armys, and you bring your total disrespect for the rule of law with you. Our prisons are already overflowing with you. We are sick of it. Why can't Mexico send someone with money and a college education here? No they send us the dregs of their country."

                              Educated and well-off people won't come to the U.S. because they know they will be treated like dogs here. Poor, uneducated, criminal, or lazy people are more likely to become immigrants. And all of them want to come to America, not to Australia or some place else for instance.

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