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Originally posted by Someone12:
I have never said I am against LEGAL immigration (legal from the beginning, no phony marriages, no phony aslyum claims)...but I am against rewarding any and every illegal alien currently occupyin space in America...
and as to 'human rights'...well, why is it that only the US of A is supposed to have the open door policy? Try going to work in Europe just to support your family....you'll get the boot...why is it that hard working American citizens should pay the tab for illegal alien douchebags and their equally illegal offspring? Send 'em to Europe...or Greenland (lots of space there)if you come to America, you must obey our laws, not just the ones you agree with or else get lost.

Thank you for clarifying, I do hope this means you will support the site and efforts by sigining the petition


I see it as a priviledge to live and work in the USA , like many immigrants I respect the current laws, even if I disagree with the immigration ones and lack of a compassionate visa. I like millions of legals have invested heavily into the economy and currently employing 15 USC, paying taxes

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Originally posted by Jeff:
Do you know how much money this will cost us?
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Do you know how much money is currently being dished out on local, state and federal social services for illegal aliens?

An illegal alien's home country should get a bill for each illegal alien that is deported. Their home country can recoup the money from that person's wages. - That being said, if some other country deports an American for being an illegal alien, the US should get a bill, and again, the US can recoup this money from that person's wages.

No one knows how much illegal aliens cost the system. What is known is that USC children, whose parents are illegal alien, cost the government billions in local and state benefits. But those parents also pay into the federal system when they file tax returns, pay for food, gas, or other services, or purchase real or personal property. It is mixed. That is the problem with your analysis of "illegal immigration."

The other problem is how to define "illegal immigration." If you only include thoae who have entered the country without inspection, then the number is about half of the total fugue generally cited. If you include visa overstays, then you get closer to that number 12 million. And if you inclde immigrants who violate any law that possibly makes the immigrant ineligible, then that number is above the 12 million. However, there are ways for the last two groups to redress their situation whereas the furst group has no reasonable redress, especially the chidren of illegal aliens who are not USC.

Now, I am not talking about the murderers, rapists, etc that are committed by indiviuals who happen to be legal or illegal.

NOTE: The biggest problem with supporters of hard line immigration enforcement generally tend to move those goal posts quite frequently to attemmpt their argument makes more sense.

NOTE: The biggest problem with supporters of hard line immigration enforcement generally tend to move those goal posts quite frequently to attemmpt their argument makes more sense.
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You mean exactly like you are doing, except in the direction of illegal support???? --- VERY HYPOCRITICAL !

NOTE: The biggest problem with supporters of illegal aliens/immigration and illegal aliens themselves, is their logic doesn't make any sense, except to them and their supporters. Luckily, law makers see through this. Illegal aliens for some reason, think they are owed a green card/citizenship/some form of legal status, regardless of the fact, they broke the law, and continue to do so.

BTW..."....parents paying into the federal system when they file tax returns, etc..." made me laugh...good one !

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You mean exactly like you are doing, except in the direction of illegal support???? --- VERY HYPOCRITICAL !

NOTE: The biggest problem with supporters of illegal aliens/immigration and illegal aliens themselves, is their logic doesn't make any sense, except to them and their supporters. Luckily, law makers see through this. Illegal aliens for some reason, think they are owed a green card/citizenship/some form of legal status, regardless of the fact, they broke the law, and continue to do so.

Who told you that CIR is an illegal immigration support??? It was a bill propose because the government is finding a better solution how to get all this people in line and do it legally.

But there is no line for them doesn't it?
because they get a penalty of a 10 years barr!
I believe if the US gov will take that penalty off a lot of this people will be willing to get back in line with the propose guest worker
program!

PS: Hudson this one example among those who think they got the land tittle of America when they got a paper.

Hi

As a direct result of the victim support group www.expatsvoice.org has stopped a visa scammer in his tracks



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ticle30450.ece


CHASING the American dream has turned into a nightmare for dozens of British families.

Lured by the prospect of a better way of life in sunshine state Florida, they have fallen victims to crooked lawyers and businessmen.

As many as 50 families are believed to have lost millions of pounds in a series of scams over visas which Britons need to work legally or run a business in America.

Expats in Florida believe the figure could be as high as £20MILLION once all the cheated people come forward.

The US State Department has launched an inquiry into one of the companies. Another has been shut down and its owner is facing a jail sentence for fraud.

But the action has come too late for Dustin and Janine Houghton. They have been ruined by a US businessman who “stole” more than £100,000, wrecked their dream of living in Florida ? and their lives back in the UK.

The couple, who have two children, remortgaged their home in Eastbourne, East Sussex. to raise the funds to realise their ambition of working in America.

Dustin, 36, has even been suspended from his job because he has taken so much time off flying to and from Florida in a desperate attempt to get back their money.

The only good news the couple have had was the birth of their daughter Kayley four weeks ago.

Their other daughter, Gemma, is 13. They are owed more than £100,000 by The Central Florida Visa Group, based in Orlando and run by US businessman Doug Hall.

The company promised to help secure visas and to help with the legal paperwork needed for Dustin to buy a diving equipment shop in Naples, on the Florida coast.

Dustin, head greenkeeper at a golf course, says their first shock came when they were rejected for the business visa.

But worse was to follow when they tried to close the deal on the shop. As instructed by Hall, they had transferred the money to a US holding account. But on the day they should have been starting their new life there was an email from Hall.

Dustin says: “Mr Hall told me the funds had been misappropriated by a member of staff. I was stunned and flew to Florida. I got excuse after excuse about what had happened to my money.”

Dustin and at least 25 other Brits are believed to have lost up to £2.5million to Hall and his partners. Hall has been charged with grand theft and forgery.

But it is not just US crooks preying on Britons. Former Norwich double-glazing salesman Michael Leggett has been accused of being the mastermind of a multi-million-pound scam on at least 26 families.

Just a quick thank you to all who have signed, it means so much to me

I would be very grateful if you would encourage all your family members, work associates and friends to do the same.

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Originally posted by Jeff:
You mean exactly like you are doing, except in the direction of illegal support???? --- VERY HYPOCRITICAL !

NOTE: The biggest problem with supporters of illegal aliens/immigration and illegal aliens themselves, is their logic doesn't make any sense, except to them and their supporters. Luckily, law makers see through this. Illegal aliens for some reason, think they are owed a green card/citizenship/some form of legal status, regardless of the fact, they broke the law, and continue to do so.

BTW..."....parents paying into the federal system when they file tax returns, etc..." made me laugh...good one !

Oh really JEff, From Tax Foundation,

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Some of these same individuals also pay income taxes, assuming their reported adjusted gross incomes are high enough to where they actually have a positive liability. Certain legal questions such as the proper filing status most likely exists as well, and mixing a complicated tax system with the complicated issue of undocumented workers can cause nightmares for willing accountants and law enforcement.

But even if one is paid “under the table” where neither the employer nor employee report the income to the IRS, other taxes are paid by illegal immigrants. This would include mainly sales taxes on items purchased in most states and localities. Only states with most likely few undocumented individuals -- Alaska, Montana, Oregon, New Hampshire, and Delaware -- do not have a statewide sales tax. The incidence of sales taxes varies by product, but in terms of essential products that low-income immigrants are most likely to purchase (i.e. food, clothing, etc.), they tend to be highly inelastic, meaning the burden mostly falls on the them as the consumer.

Corporate income taxes could also be paid in part by illegal immigrants. The burden of any corporate tax will fall on a combination of three parties: workers, consumers, and/or shareholders. While illegal immigrants tend to not be active investors, they are often workers and consumers, so they do bear a fraction of that burden.

Overall, while some illegal immigrants may work in the black market, avoiding taxes entirely is not practically possible. Even those illegal immigrants who may be involved in other illegal activities like drug smuggling/dealing ultimately pay some tax when they use that income to purchase goods.

Note, this comes from a tax policy organization that is neutral when considering the plight of illegal aliens. But again, these are estimates, or more concretely, reasonable estimates.

The other issue I have with anti-immigrants is the Draconian philosophy that one minute law broken, then an immigrant become ineligible. There is no middle ground in any civil proceedings. The Servanos are a perfect example why ant9-immigration groups tend to be against both legal and illegal immigrants. Now, imagine that same philosophy being applied to USC when it comes to work, home, school, or any recreational activity.

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Originally posted by Jeff:
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BTW..."....parents paying into the federal system when they file tax returns, etc..." made me laugh...good one !

How to call the day when this was posted? May 2nd? Friday? No... it was "moron's day out!"

let me guess..Seanpatrick

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Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
let me guess..Seanpatrick

Or helpvictim or SOM.

"crooked lawyers?"...now there's an oxymoron....

Necesitatamos una reforma migratoria ,esta Pope me desepciono ,yo pense que hiba a presionar para que hubiera una reforma migratoria,pero no.nadamas le interezo ,cubrir el proceso de los sacerdotes violadores. talves cuando se muera ponen a un papa mejicano.

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Originally posted by Someone12:
"crooked lawyers?"...now there's an oxymoron....

hmmm, could be right there


Thanks again who signed the petition, please ask your friends and work associates to sign to, we need thousands of signatures, then I will be off to Washington

Here is the link

http://www.expatsvoice.org/forum/petition.php

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Originally posted by Someone12:
I have never said I am against LEGAL immigration (legal from the beginning, no phony marriages, no phony aslyum claims)...but I am against rewarding any and every illegal alien currently occupyin space in America...
and as to 'human rights'...well, why is it that only the US of A is supposed to have the open door policy? Try going to work in Europe just to support your family....you'll get the boot...why is it that hard working American citizens should pay the tab for illegal alien douchebags and their equally illegal offspring? Send 'em to Europe...or Greenland (lots of space there)if you come to America, you must obey our laws, not just the ones you agree with or else get lost.

Finally someone is talking with intelligence and making sense. US of A and the citizens of the country are not a charity. STOP ALL THESE BS.

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I have never said I am against LEGAL immigration (legal from the beginning, no phony marriages, no phony aslyum claims)...but I am against rewarding any and every illegal alien currently occupyin space in America...
and as to 'human rights'...well, why is it that only the US of A is supposed to have the open door policy? Try going to work in Europe just to support your family....you'll get the boot...why is it that hard working American citizens should pay the tab for illegal alien douchebags and their equally illegal offspring? Send 'em to Europe...or Greenland (lots of space there)if you come to America, you must obey our laws, not just the ones you agree with or else get lost

Some people think you are mean etc, but you make total sence. I am a legal permanent resident and i feel this way too. I never dared breaking the immigration law and expected to get away with it, or, even better, to be rewarded for it by being given a US citizenship. Everyone is a human being, but humans are supposed to obey the laws of the country they live in.Or be punished for breaking them.