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) Other countries buy US Treasury bills for safety. They're trading lower returns for the relative security & stability of the US$ and the US govt. Not that much different from folks who choose to invest in 4-5%CD instead of investing in the stock market and get 8% annualized return (although in the case for many countries, the differences are much greater).

2) Human nature are the cause of brain drain and the subsequent problem it created. I don't think its fair for other country to blame the US if their own citizens choose to move to the USA.

3) Global warming and effect on other countries. Its true that US emits more greenhouse than any other countries and there's movement in the US to limit it (which I wholeheartedly support). But to strangle the US while letting others got a free pass (ala Kyoto treaty) is not the way to go.

4) Global competition for foreign investment. Wouldn't it be safe to say that even with the concession given to foreign investor, the country would still benefit more from it (from the additional employed workforce, skills transferred, income tax collected, etc,etc,etc). Otherwise, there's something wrong with said countries govt to made such decision to begin with

marmaduk read the article again.

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Originally posted by K_Solomon:
marmaduk read the article again.

Your point?

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Originally posted by Someone12:
blah blah blah...how do you spell 'dogma?' -- anyone who turns over what little intellectual capacity they have to some book is truly brainwashed.

How I spell 'dogma?' Well, I spell it in "reverse" and put an "I" before it: I 'am god!'

I am even tempted to reverse my age to calculate yours, I'm 28.

Question: After all those miles of your 82-year-old brain, have you tried even once to have it awashed with the BIBLE's bottomless treasure of intelligence?

We need to enforce the laws and deport ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. This woman "librada" is ab-using our freedom of speech to confuse and diseminate her own agenda. We can start by NOT HIRING ANYONE who's unable to provide proper legitimate documentation. We should not patronize and spend out money in ANY ESTABLISHMENT that hires illegals. We should NOT BUY any products from problem countries such as Mexico, Africa, Central America, etc.

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Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
We need to enforce the laws and deport ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. This woman "librada" is ab-using our freedom of speech to confuse and diseminate her own agenda. We can start by NOT HIRING ANYONE who's unable to provide proper legitimate documentation. We should not patronize and spend out money in ANY ESTABLISHMENT that hires illegals. We should NOT BUY any products from problem countries such as Mexico, Africa, Central America, etc.

Then you better start a farm, grow your own food, make your own clothes & shoes, get a horse & buggy, get rid of all your possesions including your computer...hey why not just move to Mexico they'll teach you how!!!

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Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
... This woman "librada" is ab-using our freedom of speech to confuse and diseminate her own agenda...

Abusing freedom of speech? to confuse and disseminate my agenda?

Kindly, Sir/Madam, you can sift through my few postings. Never have I ever allowed myself to resort to any use of offensive, harsh, disrespectful, or foul language.

About my agenda, well..... simple, plain, sincere, amateurish, or innocent thoughts and opinions may more aptly describe my postings.

I would just like to ask everyone to please watch Wetback: The Undocumented Documentary and then state your educated opinions. You can rent it at blockbuster if you don't want to buy it. This is a documentary that goes step by step with illegal immigrants, showing why they come and what they go through. And anyone that says "i don't need or want to watch this" then you are no better than they are if you are willing to turn your nose up to the situation and not willing to hear both sides of the story.

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no matter how much anyone tries to sugarcoat the situation, illegal aliens are illegal aliens = dirtbags = scumbags = irresponsible $hit bags....period. No matter what the bible might say (for those with zero intellect) nor any propaganda.....but ivees27, you are avoiding the challenge....please....if you love illegals so much, drop by your nearest 7-11 in the morning, pick up a dozen or so, feed and clothe them for the rest of your miserable life, let them use your car, pay for their gas and car wrecks when they have them, let them displace your children in public schools and stand in front of you at the hospital...come on.....let's see how deep your hyocritical "convictions" really are....I am betting you are too much of a coward, a wimp, a pu$$y to do this....

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Originally posted by Someone12:
no matter how much anyone tries to sugarcoat the situation, illegal aliens are illegal aliens = dirtbags = scumbags = irresponsible $hit bags....period. No matter what the bible might say (for those with zero intellect) nor any propaganda.....but ivees27, you are avoiding the challenge....please....if you love illegals so much, drop by your nearest 7-11 in the morning, pick up a dozen or so, feed and clothe them for the rest of your miserable life, let them use your car, pay for their gas and car wrecks when they have them, let them displace your children in public schools and stand in front of you at the hospital...come on.....let's see how deep your hyocritical "convictions" really are....I am betting you are too much of a coward, a wimp, a pu$$y to do this....

It seams to me Someone12 that you’re tired of life and are just bitter. Your hatred consumes your life and everything around you…do you really wanna go to the grave as such? So, tell me, how many VC did you kill in Vietnam?

I am a white male, six years US Navy, 1 year in Panama, 6 years in Japan (4 Navy, 2 Civilian), 3.5 years in Bolivia, considered one of the most poverty stricken countries in the world.

My wife is Bolivian/Japanese, and it took me 6.5 years to get her here LEGALLY. The number one excuse provided by the embassy was the excessive number of people attempting to use purchased/fake paperwork from Japan to fraudulently obtain LPR Visas.

Those who support illegal aliens in their stay in the US, or who aid and abet their coming/overstaying Visas in the US are traitors to their country. You cannot look at TRUE statistics (vs. the made up statistics I have seen the open border crowd and the families of illegal aliens) and think that the wave of people coming from Mexico is not an INVASION of our country.

As far as my wife and I are concerned, they should be sent home, if they refuse to go, put them in jail as felons at hard labor for five years. If they still don't go home, shoot them.

People who want to call me racist, go right ahead, my wife and my children prove you wrong.

Los personas que quieren quedarse ilegalmente en EEUU deben irse o arriesgar el revolucion que esta veniendo.

As far as the author of the original document, it is a shame that you have to lie to others, but the hardest lie to believe, are the lies that you must constantly tell yourself.

Go to nearly ANY other country in the world and mouth off like that and you would be in jail simply for thinking the thoughts.

We support LEGAL immigration, but ILLEGALS are Criminals and Felons. They take jobs from Americans, especially the lower income people who you also want to escape from 'poverty'. Of course, those who are lucky enough to find jobs receive lower wages because of illegal aliens, increasing their poverty.

Illegal aliens flood our hospitals free of charge, they steal our citizens IDs to work, get credit cards and bank accounts, they murder 4700 Americans every year, they kill another 4300 every year due to drunk driving, and they RAPE OUR CHILDREN to the toon of 2900 every year.

They steal, they lie, they have no respect, they honor only their home country, they are pedophiles, they are drug traffickers, and THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

You have a child to care for? but scared to go to the clinic? Good, take your child home with you and get health care there!

Don't bring your diseases here, don't bring your ignorant barely got out of 4th grade teenagers here, don't ask for driver's licenses, don't ask for anything... Just GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alan Fernald:
"As far as my wife and I are concerned, they should be sent home, if they refuse to go, put them in jail as felons at hard labor for five years. If they still don't go home, shoot them."
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I’m also against illegal immigration and in favor of a border fence, for all I care built a Berlin wall like fence all around the U.S but the U.S government should not and can not shoot the illegal aliens that are here Mr. Adolf Hitler II…
You deserve to be shot as well just for saying that if I were to think like YOU!

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Originally posted by Alan Fernald "Los personas que quieren quedarse ilegalmente en EEUU deben irse o arriesgar el revolucion que esta veniendo."

There are 12 million + illegal immigrants here and “Yes” something must be done to keep more from coming…
“El revolucion” that you mention, It’s puzzling to think it can happen and if it did what are you suggesting “Mass Genocide” all of you rednecks, skin heads, KKK loving motherf**** will come out for the “El Revolucion”? You effing people need to remember the rest of the world is watching

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Originally posted by UnitedStatesDude:
I’m also against illegal immigration and in favor of a border fence, for all I care built a Berlin wall like fence all around the U.S but the U.S government should not and can not shoot the illegal aliens that are here

So, are you against deporting those illegals who already present in the USA?

ivees 27, why doesn't the word "ILLEGAL" mean anything to you ?? But then again, you probably speed in your car, leave the scene of an accident, and holdup liquor stores too, even though all these things are "ILLEGAL". I am a naturalized
American Citizen,and it took me 5 yrs to be one...It has also taken me over one year to bring my fiancee here to be married. Why should ANYONE be allowed to just walk into this great country,and live off what others have sweatted and died for ? LET THEM ALL APPLY PROPERLY ! ! ! ! ! !

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Originally posted by marmaduk:
So, are you against deporting those illegals who already present in the USA?

(1)I say built the effin fence high, illegal immigrants wont cross over but the American people would not be able to escape if “God forbid” a tragedy like in the movie The Day After Tomorrow or something worse occurred, think about it!
(2)When it comes to the 12 million + already in the U.S, the U.S needs to find and pick out the rotten and spoiled bad apples.” criminals and such and deport all, even legal immigrants with 3 strikes.” the ones that have real roots in the U.S “not just anchor babies” ones that have been in the “melting pot” and that Mr. President Theodore Roosevelt talked about in 1907. They should be giving a chance in my opinion even if they entered illegally or became illegal aliens…
(3)This is the United States Of America not The United States Of Mexico, China, Brazil, wherever the fuc*, learn the American language well and use it , pay taxes, learn the American way of life, it’s law, it’s culture and it’s flag, love it or leave it…
(4)Illegal aliens that are already in the U.S without roots must leave and apply to enter legally…

Fair enough, although I don't think a fence will stop the flow of illegals. The rest of your statements is surprisingly represent a very tough stance against illegals (deporting illegals who has committed crimes and those without so-called roots).

I would be careful about what you consider a "criminal". There's lots of people convicted of minor offenses many year ago who also have roots and have strong evidence of rehabilitation, and let me remind you, rehabilitation is a cornerstone of the criminal justice system. Just looking at a record, without more, cannot sustain the presumption that a person is in fact a dangerous one. There should be a clear definition as to what a conviction means, I don't think a person convicted of driving without a license (driving while not authorized to drive) should be disqualified when the very same person will be allowed to apply even when "working" without "authorization to work".

It has to be about equity, not just physical presence, it has to be about substantial ties, family, roots. If physical presence was all that was needed, prisoners and detainees would, in theory, qualify, along with others who remain in the United States without any feelings of loyalty or even appreciation for this great nation.

UnitedStatesDude and Blondag2 - welcome aboard. Been away from the computer (away from home a few days) and glad you're filling the void. I can't understand the sentiments of people tolerating for a minute the illegal situation that is compromising this great nation. I'm very glad that both of you stepped up and joined the fight against it!

Illegal means illegal, meaning contrary to the law. It is the law, and not common sense, that defines what's legal and illegal. Many states have statutes punishing adultery and procreation of children out of wedlock. Prosecutors do not usually manifest any interest when it comes to these "criminal violations", not even in serial cases. These statutes seem to be designed to fit a different reality, a different society, they're simply outdated.

The truth is plain, immigration law usually presents a legal avenue for some interested in certain ethnic issues. If illegality per-se was the true topic, people would be urging for the prosecution of adulterers and those who procreate out of wedlock along with illegal aliens for these are all "illegal" actions, again, meaning contrary to law.

I do not support illegal immigration, I think its degrading and shameful, but I see no problem in looking at things for what they are. The system is flawed and outdated, it's not compatible with reality and that's causing harm to families, communities, the economy and the nation as a whole.

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Originally posted by Houston:
...but I see no problem in looking at things for what they are. The system is flawed and outdated, it's not compatible with reality and that's causing harm to families, communities, the economy and the nation as a whole.

Houston,
Well said. "Looking at things for what they are....." I wish more people could incorporate that view into their thinking instead of only looking at issues of how they want them to be.