NY Times
Letters
Saturday, April 14, 2007
Immigration, Through Many Lenses

To the Editor:
According to "Bush on the Border" (editorial, Arpil 11), the president displayed his understanding of the immigration issue when he said "America suffers from a system that exploits people who come to do jobs that citizens won't do."
But many of these jobs are shunned because of the abysmal compensation more than because of the nature of the work.
This conception of immigration merely perpeturates the gross income inequalities in our society, which in turn reinforces the perception of low-paid immigrants as second class. Without just compensation, everyone is exploited by such jobs, immigrant and citizen alike.
Ed White
Knoxville, Tenn., April 11, 2007

To the Editor:
Re "Bush Ties Drop in Illegal Immigration to His Policies" (news article, April 10):
The absence of an organized process to manage the influx of illegal immigrants to the United States is understood. It is frequently expressed by the White House. But when will the politicians and the public address the chaotic immigration process available for legal immigants?
Millions of legal immigrants (including me) have been standing in line for years in hope of citizenship. The route to citizenship is painful, unreasonable and impractical.
I am not against managing the influx of illegal immigrants. But legal immigrants deserve a practical answer to their immigration miseries.
Sonali Wickremaratne
Atlanta, Arpil 10, 2007

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Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
But wait, there's more. These illegals have the "nerve" to bring their relatives, especially the old ones, like parents, aunts, uncles, the list is endless, who have NEVER WORKED A DAY IN THE US, who have never seen a doctor, dentist, optometrist, taken medicines, for whatever reasons in their own countries. But not to worry, these people go directly to our welfare offices and most importantly TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY ADMIN. and because of their age they start collecting immediately monthly SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS THAT BELONG TO AMERICANS or LEGAL RESIDENTS, plus Medicare, food stamps, etc. We need to write TODAY to our reps. and SOC SECURITY and tell them to stop this bull. Noone should be able to collect Social Security Checks unless they have worked for a minimum of 20 YEARS in the US. What kind of bull is this?

What kind of bull is this you ask? Referring to what you just posted it's bullshiit.

What is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? it's a ******* who wipes his behind with our laws. Who is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? a moron who jumps over the fence, or swims, or floats on tires and yet DEMANDS RIGHTS AND SERVICES that belong to US Citizens. Illegals DO NOT stand in line, get a number, and wait their turn at our American Consulates like civilized people do. They sneak in the US like robbers in the night. THIS IS WHY ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS no matter how you slice it.

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
That was funny, Explora. I honestly wish this great country could help straighten out the woes of the others. I would like nothing better than to read about a florishing Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras. I don't know what the answer is. I studied up a bit on Nicaragua - they were a flourishing country until political corruption took place. How can the USA help this situation? I would love to hear suggestions on this.

Saturday April 14, 2007
Letters NY Times
To the Editor:
The immigration debate focuses upon the "usual suspects": the millions of undocumented aliens in the United States (and what we ought to do about them). But let's not forget about other possible elements in a sound and creative immigration package.
Presumably, there are countless children of "genius" languishing, undiscovered, in the third world. Why not start a pilot program, wth the co-operation of home governments, to search out and identify such youngsters and give them an opportunity to come to American with their parents and be educated here?
Their governments could be enticed by financing and by retaining an option to educate half the "discovered" at home. As to the children who accept the chance to come to the United States, surely they would enrich us with their talent as we empowered them and taught them about America.
Arthur Landever
Cleveland, April 11, 2007
The writer is a professor at the Cleveland-Marshall college of Law, Cleveland State University.

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Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
What is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? it's a ******* who wipes his behind with our laws. Who is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? a moron who jumps over the fence, or swims, or floats on tires and yet DEMANDS RIGHTS AND SERVICES that belong to US Citizens. Illegals DO NOT stand in line, get a number, and wait their turn at our American Consulates like civilized people do. They sneak in the US like robbers in the night. THIS IS WHY ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS no matter how you slice it.

Did Wikipedia reject your entry? Unable to find your definition.

During my many years in USA, I met many people, well, out of the group of friends or acquaintances whom were legal residents or even naturalized citizens, that I knew I will say 99.00 % became legal by fraudulent means.

I remember I had a friend Juan Carlos whom was married because he fall in love to Veronica a lady from Puerto Rico, and after their marriage he became LPR, but then his parents came to the US, and I tough he petitioned for them however I found out that some 15 years back his aunt had begun the process and they waited on line and arrived as LPR, besides this couple of people I did not know anyone else whom had arrive to the US as LPR legally, and I am talking people from any Spanish speaking country you can imagine (except Costa Rica, I only knew one person from CR).

Another friend was hired out of the corner to help move some boxes, the job got extended to a month then the owner of the business fired his cook and taught my friend to cook, and he became the main cook and then he told the business owner his situation and they make some fake papers stating (my friend) he owned a good portion of the business and he then got a GC, this guy’s wife was pregnant and wanted to have a baby shower here in Guatemala well when she came back to the US at the airport they found out her passport was fake and deported her from the airport, she bought another passport and returned to USA, then had her baby and the she needed grandma to care for the baby, so they purchased a passport for grandma and she went to USA, she married a senior citizen whom was at a home for the elder and got GC as well, ……. Well now my friend and his wife are USC, grandma is waiting for her citizenship.

Another friend told the INS that he was being prosecuted by the guerrilla and if he returned he was going to get killed, which was a lye the guy was not in at any kind of threat however he got asylum, his girlfriend crossed the border without inspection and now they are both USC, Another friend Mexican, his whole family is Mexican, both they bought passport from Honduras and they all got NACARA benefits,

Carlos a friend whom enter the military academy with me, but quit on the second month, convinced a young lady to marry him, but they were not together not even for six months, but he made sure she was scare enough to never miss an appointment with INS and lye of the marriage, they divorced and he brought a lady from Russia with the (verbal) previous agreement that he only wanted a kid and in exchange he was going to help her to get a GC, they did, she is now a LPR and he has his son, he has been married and divorced 3 other times.

A neighbor just returned (2 weeks ago) from New York after living there for four years, she was telling me all of the stories of how beautiful the US is, how clean, how organized, then I asked her if she got permission to work, she laugh and said “¡NO way! As a matter of fact I made sure no one got my real name and my salary was always in cash, in case I had to come back” then she added, One thing I have to thank the US and it is the fact that all of my heart treatment even a surgery was paid for Medicaid, and this medicines (pointing at a plastic bag) were all free, I was flabbergasted because honestly at least in the State where I used to live people did not get Medicaid if they did not have some proof of residency.

What is ironic I think is that people go to he US with the intent of staying and living there but they do not learn the language, they do no read to better their life and want to continue their country’s traditions there, I mean when American get here they so eager to learn Spanish, to wear our folkloric clothing to eat how we eat, and they will be here just for few weeks, I just don’t understand. Mr. Bush came few weeks ago, and there were a lot of protest against, people burning the American flag, insulting the US and its people and yet in the other hand asking to stop deportations and help our nationals there, ironic uh!

I have countless of stories of people, people I know that today as I am typing this are enjoying the benefits of a broken immigration system, most of the people whom stories I know are people with 10 or 11 grade education, whom immigrated after they were 19 or 20, so school is not even a dream. I never met a single immigrant whom went to the US after their 21 birthday and wanted to adjust to the culture or wanted to study, to me that is sad. Then we ask why they do not like us?

Hey buddy,

I like your ideas helping to the innocent people. Yes I know some people are just struggling here to survive. Whether they are illegally staying people or legally staying people, they all are just struggling here to make their lives easier. Look at our history? Our insisters used to move here and there in the jungle to make their lives better to find some food and secure place. Same thing, in the old days, people came to America to make their lives better. Exactly same things are, happening right now. People are coming to America to make their lives better. They all are the human beings and they have a right to survive. They are not making lots of money but they are just struggling to survive as other human being. I hate the criminals who do crimes on propose and just harm the innocent people. I think we should take an action against them criminals. But some innocent illegal aliens are just struggling to make their lives easier. I think America is the land of opportunities so everyone should respect us law, American people and stay away from a violence but they should work honestly and pay the tax to the government. Thanks!

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Originally posted by explora:

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Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
What is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? it's a ******* who wipes his behind with our laws. Who is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? a moron who jumps over the fence, or swims, or floats on tires and yet DEMANDS RIGHTS AND SERVICES that belong to US Citizens. Illegals DO NOT stand in line, get a number, and wait their turn at our American Consulates like civilized people do. They sneak in the US like robbers in the night. THIS IS WHY ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS no matter how you slice it.

Did Wikipedia reject your entry? Unable to find your definition.

Well lets give them probation and a fine like our courts just love to hand out to criminals and get over it...They aren't going anywhere, face it, so lets come up with an alternative that CAN actually work and get it started, so we can move on to a fight worth fighting like getting rid of child molesting pedifiles, these street gangs killing our children, the poverty in the US etc...

www.myfreeusa.com

no ivees27, let's get rid of illeg-o-philes -- all of them...beginning with every dirtbag you think should stay and be rewarded for being a criminal douchebag.

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Originally posted by Someone12:
no ivees27, let's get rid of illeg-o-philes -- all of them...beginning with every dirtbag you think should stay and be rewarded for being a criminal douchebag.

I think its best to do what it says on the back of the aspiran bottle. It says to take two and ignore Someone12's advise.

It's easy to talk **** when you're on the right side of the border.

I congratulate Ivees27 for his/her post.

Thank you...and I want to remind everyone who does care, to please sign my petition to Congress located on my website and tell your friends and family.

www.myfreeusa.com

I wrote my congressman to tell him to rid the US of every stinking dirtbag illegal...he votes the right way....

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Originally posted by Someone12:
I wrote my congressman to tell him to rid the US of every stinking dirtbag illegal...he votes the right way....

Well, if voting changed anything it would be illegal!

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Originally posted by AchtungBaby:
It's easy to talk **** when you're on the right side of the border.

I can talk shiit from either side of the border!

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Originally posted by Someone12:
I wrote my congressman to tell him to rid the US of every stinking dirtbag illegal...he votes the right way....

Have arthritis yet from all the writing?

Thank you very much for this web site! Every story has 2 sides.I wish it would be some really smart decision, which put the end to this illegal limbo.Don't listen to that white trash, who saved up to buy computer, idiots are part of life.Dios de bendigo!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SICKOFILLEGALS:
What is an ILLEGAL ALIEN? it's a ******* who wipes his behind with our laws.

You are most victimized in here. Actually, this forum is design to help people with immigrational questions,which you obviously, being proud american trash ( and I am not talking about bar in new york) don't have. Are you here to build yourself up, by being american citizen? Is it so hard to get a life?

We have a discussion board that is furnished free of charge to allow positive discussion of problems of immigrants, legal or not. It is such a shame that it is overwhelmed by foul mouthed people who have no interest in trying to be a positive helping hand. I think Sen Sam Brownback, no liberal by any description, was correct in his statement:
Posted April 26, 2007 11:23 AM
I would like to hear comments on the Senator's recent statement framing the immigration issue in "religious terms" ---Broenback goes on to say, he thinks he can change" the minds of those who fear a pathway for undocumented immigrants to citizenship. "At the big picture level, a lot of people are very anti-illegal immigration, very strongly so. But when it comes to somebody they know personnally, it's like, "Wait a minute, leave this guy alone, I know him. He's my neighbor, he's working hard trying to help his family out." He's not one of the few who are committing crimes and should be deported. Now, I think this is a very realistic way to look at the immigration, and if so, we need to find some path for the good immigrants to become legal residents and include a way to get rid of those that commit crimes. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Or maybe the Adopt A Bigot program needs to be put into use!