I've read kollertw at's mindless postings....just like every other illegal, she wants to blame everyone but herself and for some odd reason cannot find her way back to the nearest airport and then onward to Germany....I imagine that Lufthansa must have daily flights from the US to Germany...why isn't she on one? She obviously thinks very little of America...
Originally posted by Someone12: yea ProudUSC - whenever illegal alien supporters can't justify their misplaced 'support' for illegals (which is always) they try to whip out the race card...but I have asked and challenged dozens of illegal alien supporters on this site to please tell me what 'race' illegals are.....and not a single one has ever replied, except with more name-calling.....bottom line....they cannot rationalize illegal aliens lack of respect for US law....oh, they try, with the tiresome "they're just looking for a better life"...yaddy yaddy yaddy....but that excuse means nothing....illegal is illegal, no matter what flimsy excuse they try to offer.
I suspect many of them know darn well we aren't racist, it's just part of their playing the innocent victim. My husband is a LEGAL immigrant who went through the lengthy process to come here legally (even served in the US military) and they still call me racist because I am against people coming here illegally. Go figure...
I suspect many of them know darn well we aren't racist, it's just part of their playing the innocent victim. My husband is a LEGAL immigrant who went through the lengthy process to come here legally (even served in the US military) and they still call me racist because I am against people coming here illegally. Go figure...
Desertrose,
Just up front,I never thought about you or ProudUSC or even Someone12 ( he just has a very unpleasent way to express himself) as racists.
I looked it up and found that. It is from Wikipedia and I will not copy everything because it would be to long
Racism is a belief system or doctrine which postulates a hierarchy among various "human races" or ethnic groups. ..... Racism may be described as a strong form of ethnocentrism, including traits such as xenophobia (fear and hate of foreigners), views against interracial relationships (anti-miscegenation), ethnic nationalism, and ethnic stereotypes.
Here the explaination what a ethinc group is according to Wipipedia:
An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry [1]. Recognition by others as a distinct ethnic group is often a contributing factor to developing this bond of identification. [2] .....
An ethnic group may overlap or even coincide with a nation, [citation needed] especially when national identity is defined primarily in terms of common origin. Members of nations may also identify with each other, often presuming common ancestry, and are generally recognized by others as a distinct group with a specific name. ....
In the United States Collectivities of related ethnic groups are typically denoted as "ethnic". Most prominently in the U.S., the various Latin American ethnic groups plus the Spanish are typically collectivized as "Hispanics".
I suspect many of them know darn well we aren't racist, it's just part of their playing the innocent victim. My husband is a LEGAL immigrant who went through the lengthy process to come here legally (even served in the US military) and they still call me racist because I am against people coming here illegally. Go figure...
Desertrose,
Just up front,I never thought about you or ProudUSC or even Someone12 ( he just has a very unpleasent way to express himself) as racists.
I looked it up and found that. It is from Wikipedia and I will not copy everything because it would be to long
Racism is a belief system or doctrine which postulates a hierarchy among various "human races" or ethnic groups. ..... Racism may be described as a strong form of ethnocentrism, including traits such as xenophobia (fear and hate of foreigners), views against interracial relationships (anti-miscegenation), ethnic nationalism, and ethnic stereotypes.
Here the explaination what a ethinc group is according to Wipipedia:
An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry [1]. Recognition by others as a distinct ethnic group is often a contributing factor to developing this bond of identification. [2] .....
An ethnic group may overlap or even coincide with a nation, [citation needed] especially when national identity is defined primarily in terms of common origin. Members of nations may also identify with each other, often presuming common ancestry, and are generally recognized by others as a distinct group with a specific name. ....
In the United States Collectivities of related ethnic groups are typically denoted as "ethnic". Most prominently in the U.S., the various Latin American ethnic groups plus the Spanish are typically collectivized as "Hispanics".
Exactly. So how can someone who is against people breaking the law and entering the country illegally (regardless of where they are from) be considered a racist? It has nothing whatsoever to do with race. In fact, I (like most Americans), welcome all immigrants who have enough respect for this country to come here legally.
Originally posted by ivees27: I have created a website, to support the illegal immigrants and educate Americans on the difficulties they face. It contains interesting statistics and info on forms etc...they aren't bad people trying to screw America, they are just trying to get by in a harsh unforgiving country. Please check it out and pass it on. And i welcome any feedback as i am not a professional, just a human being (a white American) trying to make a difference. Thanks
ivees27, When you stated you're not a professional, just a human being (a white American) trying to make a difference. Your saying you're a white American didn't really make me think twice.
I recall the movie Mississippi Burning about the civil rights movement in Mississippi called Freedom Summer in 1964. Many students participated in attempting to register voters and up against the KKK. Three white students came from the norther states. Almsot everytime I've heard mention of this movie or the history of Freedom Summer, I hear it said, "Three white college students that came....." Their race was often referred to because it was atypical for a lot of white people to be an advocate of other races, cultural groups or nationalities. You didn't make mention of your race first, you stated your weren't a professional so there wasn't any pretension on your part. You said, a human being and then told us you were white. I'm glad you did because if you hadn't you'd been ridiculed as another Mexican or Latino advocate. My point is this isn't the first time I've seen reference to race when one if from outside a particular class or culture and when advocating for such. It makes for a good distinction and never have I seen where it was harmful in doing so. All you've done is told us which human being you are and you're white. A human being like everybody else on this earth. The color doesn't matter. It's what's on the inside. If your heart is right with your plans then it's between you and God and I hope you prosper with your website. Any criticism you receive, take it constructively. You can always get something positive out of something negative if you look for it and use it to your advantage. Good luck to you, white gal!
This dummy is out of his mind, I dare say he's another Mexican working for those mexicanos. Well, I'm going to do my part to EDUCATE AMERICANS. First, Social Security: We need to change the laws TODAY!!! anybody even illegals and all foreigners that are 65 yrs old can collect SSI, Social Security checks, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, medical attention, medicines, etc. The Cubans get an additional stipend, as soon as they touch american soil they are given $5,000 each, why? You tell me. The hospitals have signs in Spanish, Russian, Laotian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, and every other dumb language to inform illegals that "they are welcome and don't have to worry about being illegals, they take care of them in a respectful and professional manner". If the illegal or legalized have any complaints about the service they can notify said hospital. The Russians go STRAIGHT from the boat to the Welfare Offices, anywhere in the US, where they are given immediately~no waiting~food stamps, monthly check, medical, medicaid or medicare. The Mexicans, Hindus, Africans, Dominicans, and the rest of them get pregnant immediately and start pushing puppies thereby becoming entitled to all the benefits Americans should have.
When I see old Americans, retired, some of them served in 2 wars and are now living on puny social security checks, living the way these illegals are used to live, that is, in filthy hotel rooms, full of rats, where their sheets don't get changed until they get bitten by mites, where they take advantage of these American seniors in everywhich way, I say CLOSE THE BORDERS TODAY!!! I say STOP THE SOCIAL SECURITY SCAM!!! no checks for people who have never worked in the US, no checks for people who have worked less than 20 yrs. in the US, that money rightfully belongs to Americans.
to Rambo and every damm illegal alien in the U.S. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! Your own countries are supposed to support you, THEY have an OBLIGATION with you, not us, when will you get it thru your sick skulls. We have MILLIONS of people who SHOULD BE DOING the work illegals do, i.e. every able body on Welfare, anybody who is in jail for minor offenses, enough of the b.s. especially from muslims and mexicans, beware of them!!!
The gov't came up with this brilliant idea of providing SRO's (single room occupancy) for the poor old retired Americans who cannot afford anything else to live. They pay a third of their puny retirement checks for a room with a bed and a pillow. Everything else comes out from their pockets, like installing a telephone line, a/c for the summer heat, furniture, dishes, etc. In the meantime, I see these so called refugees getting the best houses and apartments. I see the Orientals who have never lived in a real house before, actually hosing the carpets because they don't know what a vacuum is. This is a disgrace!!!
Originally posted by desertrose2002: Here the explaination what a ethinc group is according to Wipipedia:
An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry [1]. Recognition by others as a distinct ethnic group is often a contributing factor to developing this bond of identification. [2] .....
An ethnic group may overlap or even coincide with a nation, [citation needed] especially when national identity is defined primarily in terms of common origin. Members of nations may also identify with each other, often presuming common ancestry, and are generally recognized by others as a distinct group with a specific name. ....
In the United States Collectivities of related ethnic groups are typically denoted as "ethnic". Most prominently in the U.S., the various Latin American ethnic groups plus the Spanish are typically collectivized as "Hispanics".
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Copied from Applicant Identification Form Racial Ethnic background
[]White (Not of Hispanic origin) A person with origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East who is not of Hispanic origin.
[]Black (Not of Hispanic origin) A person with origins in any of the Black Racial Groups of Africa who is also not of Hispanic origin.
[]Asian or Pacific Islander A person with origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, or the pcific Islands. These are including, for example, china, japan, Korea, the Philippine Republic and Samoa.
[]American Indian or Alaskan Native A person with origins in any of the original peoples of North America and who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community recognition.
[]Hispanic A person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South American, or other Spanish Culture or origin.
[Other] PUPOSELY LEFT BLANK
The label Hispanic is an umbrella term covering all Hispanics/Latinos given by our government. About three years ago many Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans and others were discussing this label being changed. Not every group wants to be classified with another group under an umbrella label. Each wants their own identity and to not appear to be connected with the others. Often, in certain areas of the U.S. where it is more common or acceptable, you'll see a flag from one's country of origin along with the U.S. flag. I've never been bothered with it as long it's flown lower and appropriately. Upon first impression many people think the flag is being elevated to or above our U.S. flag. There are always the exceptions and I'm certain there's individuals that want to depict their country in that sense. The ones I've seen and people I've known that have flown their flag alongside said that it was because they want to display their own identity. Some people think just because someone's skin is dark and have an accent that are all Puerto Rican or Mexican, or Cuban. These groups don't want to be taken for another nationality and is one reason they fly their flag. It can be an affront when taken for another nationality. I think within the next few years the label Hispanic will have changed. Who really wants to be called something with "His" and "Panic" in it?
the website looks great and try not to pay to much attention to the negative people here because the one post was right, you can find some good in the bad. i let all my friends and family know to go on and sign the petition. it only takes one person to make a change
i just wanted to point out one thing about social security. while i agree that it doesn't make sense that older people who just came here and never worked here start collecting social security, it also doesn't make sense that if u come here legally, let us say for example on an F1 student visa and later changed to H1 or green card, u will be taxed for medicare and social security ( if am right its after over 5 yrs of stay in US). now if u leave the country for good (i know quite a few cases where they got better opportunities on the other side of the globe), the social security tax u paid over the years is gone and u cannot claim anything. its ironic. i dont know how other folks feel about this?
ProudUSC, For the first time I agree with you. Calling things by their name is not been a racist. It is the truth. I agree with the fact that when a person crosses the border, knowing that is not right, knowing that there will be consequences of their acts, they are disobeying the laws, whether is USA, Australia, Europe...,but, isn't it true that this is a complex issue? Isn't it true that there is not an absolute answer?. I am not looking for sympathy here, just for some reason. There is a human element here...it just can NOT be ignored, besides....why the government neglected the Mexican border for so many years??? They did not do the same thing in Florida with the Cubans...they really watched the coast! and they still do. The truth is the truth. The government, not just this one, but the ones before also, neglected the border, was this for money?, you bet! Now all of the sudden is ONLY the immigrant's fault??? c'mon! . That is the first thing that needs to be fixed. The second argument is the possibility of entering to the USA in a legal way. Yes the USA welcomes 1M legal immigrants every year, this is done through family members, through marriages, through student and working visas, but the wait is soooooooooo loooooooooong that other options become more attractive...parent's can not see their kids, husband and wife can not be together, etc. That is another process that needs to be addressed and fixed. If migrating to the USA through the legal channels is possible, illegal immigration will be reduced (if, and only if, border security gets serious). There is not a simple answer, and that is the truth
Guby, our southern border is 2000 miles long. I don't see how it would be physically possible to guard every every square inch. I agree with you about not doing enough to protect it - if it were left up to me, I'd construct an electrical fence along the entire border. However, I realize that's not going to happen. There are things we have called Immigration LAWS - all other countries have them too. They are made to protect our nation (and others) from being swarmed with illegals. We allow a million immigrants into this country every year. Sure, the wait is long, but I believe worth it in the end (rather than comming here illegally, working illegally, driving without a license, insurance, crowding our emergency rooms, living 5 or 6 families in one house, cowering in the corners so as not to be discovered). As far as parents not seeing their kids, husband and wife can't be together, most of those situations were self-imposed. I agree we need immigration reform in this country. But I also think countries south of our border need serious reform to make living conditions more bearable for their citizens. The United States can't fix everyone's problems, nor can it be the sole solution for the woe's of the world.
ProudUSA, Again, I agree with you. The USA has the right and the obligation to secure its border, like any other country in the world. The problem we are experiencing with the illegal immigration didn't start yesterday, is an issue that has been growing and now has gotten out of hand. Getting cheap labor, brought consequences in our schools, in our hospitals, in our cities. Don't disagree with you. I do think though, that the illegal immigrant is not the sole responsible here. Like Houston states, we need to think forward, trying to create a new system that works, not for the benefit of the immigrants, but for the benefit of our country. We have to solve the problem, not just for today but also for later. About the people already here...well, how can we do? …Difficult...no right answer.
Guby, the cheap labor situation bothers me too. I know business's need cheap labor to be competitive, but I believe they should all be forced to accept the guidelines of minimum wage - particularly in the agricultural market. While I don't want illegals here in the first place, I also don't support a Guest Worker program that will allow business's to get away with paying beans to these workers. In order to have a productive nation with productive inhabitants, people need to earn enough to be self-sufficient - not to live at or below poverty level. If that is the case, why do they come here in the first place? I guess their countries are that deplorable.
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Guby, the cheap labor situation bothers me too. I know business's need cheap labor to be competitive, but I believe they should all be forced to accept the guidelines of minimum wage - particularly in the agricultural market. While I don't want illegals here in the first place, I also don't support a Guest Worker program that will allow business's to get away with paying beans to these workers. In order to have a productive nation with productive inhabitants, people need to earn enough to be self-sufficient - not to live at or below poverty level. If that is the case, why do they come here in the first place? I guess their countries are that deplorable.
Good forward-thinking! Senator Diane Fienstien talked about that last year regarding the minimum wage for the workers. They can't have a guest worker program and let the employers pay low wages. Trust me, in the agricultural sector, they'll have that one worked out. Too many have a stake in it.
Originally posted by Guby: ProudUSC, ....why the government neglected the Mexican border for so many years??? They did not do the same thing in Florida with the Cubans...they really watched the coast! and they still do. The truth is the truth. The government, not just this one, but the ones before also, neglected the border, was this for money?, you bet! Now all of the sudden is ONLY the immigrant's fault??? c'mon! . That is the first thing that needs to be fixed.
The cubans are coming onto land a bit f.a.r.ther north than what they had been for years because the other southern part was becoming more difficult. That is a much different type of border though. They can't hardly hide out there.
I wish more people could acknowledge that it hasn't only been the immigrants fault. I've asked many times for somebody to give some
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