The issue is not IF he can legally marry and find some waiver form; thats easy. Immigration loves to approve abuse/good faith waivers; they do not care at all about if someone committed fraud. The consensus is that men deserve to be defrauded and cheated; that is a given fact. The real issue is IF he should allow himself to become her next victim.

I think you pretty much know everything that I have to tell you. Could you tell what about what I have told you thus far sounds so hanus that it seems extremely terrible. I specified the criteria they cited for denying the application.

It looks like we need more evidence. We have since gathered all of the documents possible.

We cannot however, create joint bank accounts that did not exist or create babies out of thin air. If we were rejected, it is because we didn't have enough evidence and I would appreciate any help you could offer in terms of suggesting evidence.

For the sake of argument, can we just assume that my fiance is innocent and talk about we can help?

P.S.
My fiance holds a degree and a masters degrees in biochemistry and is in the last steps of taking the exam for the board of pharmacy. Further more, she is a British citizen and was born in Liverpool and could go to Europe without any of these problems and without having to marry someone "not in good faith"

SOM. Thanks for the input. It was not my intention to offend you by not taking your advice of running. However, I believe that I know more about my situation that you do and as you stated above it is my right to do what I choose, regardless of whether or not you think it is a good idea.

Are you a lawyer that organizes this site? How did you get so much experience in these matters?

If you can provide documentation that says that things will "be ok" assuming we are all honest, I would like to see it.

Scott, you do not know the entire story. Outside of the trial discovery process USCIS will not disclose details concerning a denial. They want to make sure they are able to prove their case in the even of a challenge. To help protect evidence from being altered, or witnesses being tampered with. For all you know they called in the X and grilled him for the contradictory letters. They know how to get to the truth when they want to.

Don't confuse the legitimacy of your relationship with her immigration problem. The two are unrelated. What you need to find out is what happened before. That means talking to the X. As much as you want to believe her that is only half the story. The other is a phone call away. If someone were to talk to one of your x-girlfriends about you would they hear the entire truth?

Why mention her education accomplishments? That means about zilch in the world of immigration. All that matters is sponsorship, that is where you come in.

Alright. So they hide evidence until the trial? Is that legal? I have to wait a month for him to come back into the country to call him.

Yes it is. They are under no obligation to disclose any facts of their findings. Revealing evidence is only required during discovery in a hearing or trial. All you received was a brief one or two sentence statement? That is all they need to give.

That is why you need to talk to the X. Assuming he will speak to you. Were you seeing her during their marriage?

He means is that she is hiding what they have from you.

Don't believe for one second that a scammer is not intelligent. Usually they are very intelligent. Let me give you a definition of what you are dealing with which you probably cannot comprehend right now. And hopefully, if you listen to our good advice, never will:

Profile of the Sociopath

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose

Sounds like profile of Caligula

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Originally posted by davdah:
Scott, you do not know the entire story. Outside of the trial discovery process USCIS will not disclose details concerning a denial. They want to make sure they are able to prove their case in the even of a challenge. To help protect evidence from being altered, or witnesses being tampered with. For all you know they called in the X and grilled him for the contradictory letters. They know how to get to the truth when they want to.

Don't confuse the legitimacy of your relationship with her immigration problem. The two are unrelated. What you need to find out is what happened before. That means talking to the X. As much as you want to believe her that is only half the story. The other is a phone call away. If someone were to talk to one of your x-girlfriends about you would they hear the entire truth?

Why mention her education accomplishments? That means about zilch in the world of immigration. All that matters is sponsorship, that is where you come in.

Actually Davdah, a rejected I-751 based on a lack of a bonafide marriage is what is known. It would be in violation of certain Constitutional and federal statues to state a denial based on something completely different. Again, their basis in the decision By USCIS is solely on the evidence of the first letter of t he ex. He has two choices, appeal the decision on the I-751 denial or marry her and apply for adjustment of status through him. both are risky, but for the immigrant, all it takes is suspciicion and not clear evidence for denial.

Schot,

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Originally posted by scottH:
Alright. So they hide evidence until the trial? Is that legal? I have to wait a month for him to come back into the country to call him.

Scott,
Check your PM.

I'm not saying they lied. But they don't have to disclose the reasons for denial at this stage. If it goes to trial then it will all come out.

That was why I suggested he have a talk with the X. To have some idea of what it is they are up against. Even then, he'll need to exercise discretion with what he hears. For USCIS to deny based on a letter there had to be compelling evidence given along with it. Usually a jilted Xs letter won't carry much weight unless there is some verifiable proof with it.

Here is bona fide question not directly related to OP.
What if superwealthy couple married and decided to spend 2 years "honeymooning", climbing mountains and traveling all over the country in limo-bus?
Could their I-751 be denied for lack of evidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3CzA8emGhM

dude, she was evicted by comiting marriage fraud. And her i-751 was denied due to that.

She could marry the president of the US, she will still be denied and sent home.

There is NOTHING you can do about it...

she was convicted and caught doing marriage fraud,she has a record with immigration...

there is NOTHING u can do,u might think the marriage is real. I am sure the first hubby she scamed and was caught with,though the same thing.

once the immigration judge has her file as comiting marriage fraud,she is HISTORY!!!

President has sole authority to grant full pardon and issue executive order granting Citizenship to whomever he wishes.
I see you know nothing about INA.

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Originally posted by davdah:
I'm not saying they lied. But they don't have to disclose the reasons for denial at this stage. If it goes to trial then it will all come out.

That was why I suggested he have a talk with the X. To have some idea of what it is they are up against. Even then, he'll need to exercise discretion with what he hears. For USCIS to deny based on a letter there had to be compelling evidence given along with it. Usually a jilted Xs letter won't carry much weight unless there is some verifiable proof with it.

the reasons the gov't uses when denying the adjustment of status are at best vague. The reason the gov't denied the I-751 was based on lack of bona fide marriage. the reason is in line with the first ex letter. The gov't just did not look at all the evidence, as usual. And the X has sent two letters, one stating she was in it for the green card and the other letter saying it was his fault. Talking to him may not be a wise idea unless it is done under a supposition or through a private investigator. You just don't know which way he will go. And besides, it is not the first time where even the husband lies just to spite the ex.

I suspect he doesn't have much in the way of money. One of the reasons I asked if he was seeing her while she was married. If he was and its reported it may be show over. USCIS will allege she used husband one to come here so she could be with scott who was not financially able to sponsor her at the time she came.


Sabutiam, The wealthy pair would have substantial photographic evidence of their travel to support their case. The only time those are suspect is when there is an obviouse mismatch. Big age difference, he is butt ugly and she is a model, things like that.

quote:

Originally posted by HBKHBK:
dude, she was evicted by comiting marriage fraud. And her i-751 was denied due to that.

She could marry the president of the US, she will still be denied and sent home.

There is NOTHING you can do about it...

she was convicted and caught doing marriage fraud,she has a record with immigration...

there is NOTHING u can do,u might think the marriage is real. I am sure the first hubby she scamed and was caught with,though the same thing.

once the immigration judge has her file as comiting marriage fraud,she is HISTORY!!!

hk,
She has not been formally charged with marriage fraud. The OP stated the I-751 has been denied based on lack of evidence of a bona fide marriage. the x in the first letter stated she committed marriage fraud as well as Davdah and some other posters. But agian, the OP did not state explicitly this was the reason.

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Sabutiam, The wealthy pair would have substantial photographic evidence of their travel to support their case. The only time those are suspect is when there is an obviouse mismatch. Big age difference, he is butt ugly and she is a model, things like that.

Wait! What about LOVE!!
What if supermodel falls in LOVE with b.utt ugly guy (now who hasn't seen or heard of such couples who are nevertheless genuinely married! In fact there are books written about b.utt ugly guys who were loved by super-pretty women , latter literally going crazy about former ), so would their I-751 be denied solely because of ones' appearance and despite all the supporting evidence presented?

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by davdah:
I'm not saying they lied. But they don't have to disclose the reasons for denial at this stage. If it goes to trial then it will all come out.

That was why I suggested he have a talk with the X. To have some idea of what it is they are up against. Even then, he'll need to exercise discretion with what he hears. For USCIS to deny based on a letter there had to be compelling evidence given along with it. Usually a jilted Xs letter won't carry much weight unless there is some verifiable proof with it.

the reasons the gov't uses when denying the adjustment of status are at best vague. The reason the gov't denied the I-751 was based on lack of bona fide marriage. the reason is in line with the first ex letter. The gov't just did not look at all the evidence, as usual. And the X has sent two letters, one stating she was in it for the green card and the other letter saying it was his fault. Talking to him may not be a wise idea unless it is done under a supposition or through a private investigator. You just don't know which way he will go. And besides, it is not the first time where even the husband lies just to spite the ex.

You saw the letter? Present at adjudication? I didn't think so. We can't guess at what was written or for that matter what else there is. A ranting letter claiming fraud would be ignored unless there was something compelling with it.

His second letter was probably ignored due to what ever it was he sent with the first as proof of the purported fraud. Even that is a bit of an assumption. The view should not be limited to GC fraud. It could very well be procedural errors disclosed in the first letter rendering her visa or some other element invalid. Or, maybe she has a criminal background that was hidden. Or, maybe she is already married to someone in her home country. Too many possibilities until the contents of the letter are known.