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Some provision from yahoo.com
FUTURE IMMIGRANTS
_Spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and permanent residents would be eligible for green cards based purely on their family connections, but other relatives such as adult children and siblings would not.
_380,000 visas a year would be awarded based on a point system, with about 50 percent based on employment criteria, 25 percent based on education, 15 percent on English proficiency and 10 percent on family connections.
_Apply new limits to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.
_Visas for parents of U.S. citizens would be capped annually at 40,000 and those for spouses and children at 87,000.
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Said, Hello, at this point, strictly speaking, there's no real way to know the answer to this, since the bill hasn't been fully written or published yet I believe. No one has read all the specifics yet.
In theory, those family preference categories remaining should go faster due to reallocation of immigrant visas, but I will venture to guess that this would be a long-time coming to get really underway. In the interim, based on pretty much EVERY stupid statute passed by our wonderful and esteemed Congressmen, and the anarchy and chaos that inevitably follows passage of said Acts within the bowels of our equally inept executive agencies, I will bet that EVERY category, immigrant and nonimmigrant, employment or family-based, will experience MASSIVE slow downs.
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Andy, thanks, I read that as well.
40,000 annually for parents of U.S. citizens from all over the world...how many do you think file in an average year? I would be willing to bet many more than that.
So, the question is, how many elderly parents will live to see their visa interviews scheduled considering the probable multi-year backlog that will then occur in this category? We're talking about people in their 60's, 70's, 80's...they don't exactly have all the time in the world to wait.
No, most will never live to reach their visa interviews, and never reach U.S. soil, exactly what our good Senators want.
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I hope other lobby groups will see the importance of family tie as the tradition of our American society as well. 40,000 a year is a joke....
Liberals, on the other hand, are unhappy with the proposal because it makes a far-reaching change in the immigration system that would admit future arrivals seeking to put down roots in the U.S. based on their skills, education levels and job experience — limiting the importance of family ties.
"We have concerns about the historic shift away from family unification as the backbone of our immigration system," said Kevin Appleby of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
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Heh, so looks like the winners are those who's already here illegally and future immigrant based on employment/education. Family based immigrants is the biggest loser.
To throw another twist into this, what about those who fails to secure H1-B visa but already present in US? Will they now be able to utilize the Z visas instead? What about all the foreign students currently enrolled in US universities, whose plan is to eventually work and lived in the USA? Wouldn't it be better for them to "turn into illegal" now in hope to secure a Z visas instead of waiting for an employment based visa which might never come?
Sometimes I wonder what kind of ppl resides in the Capitol.....
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quote: Sometimes I wonder what kind of ppl resides in the Capitol.....
The ones we elected, unfortunately.
God Bless America and everyone else!
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And, in response to the last post, how in the Nine Hells is getting him assisted living in Japan "repaying" anything??? Let's see, here's your reward for all your love and devotion to your daughter, dying in a rest home alone with the only family you have 6,000 miles away.
He wants to BE WITH HIS DAUGHTER, just like any old man. Just like YOUR father would, he doesn't want to be left to rot alone in a rest home, no matter how fancy-pants the place might be.
Blacksword... I am really very sorry for the position this is putting you in and I do understand, I am trying to be as objective as I can, but at the end of the day, it was your wifes choice to leave Japan, I realise at the time the possibility of her father being able to join her here at some point in the future was a major factor in her descission to immigrate, but its a fact of ife, we can't always have what we want.
i am well aware there are laws in place to stop immigrants becoming a public charge, but as you said, those laws are rarely enforced... Can you imagine the headlines if the US was to totally enforce those laws and people died because the immigrants sponsor was UNABLE to support them. Not wanting to point the finger at anyone in particular, but just as a case in point... take those that come here and take the low paid jobs, they may well be able to meet the 125% of the poverty guidelines in a few years to be able to sponsor their parents or other reletives to join them, but I doubt they could afford to pay all the medical bills etc for the rest of their lives, hence, unless the government were to let these people suffer or even die, they woud eventually become a drain on the welfare system here.
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| Posts: 73 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 03-27-2007 | |
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"but its a fact of ife, we can't always have what we want."
"Want" has nothing to do with it. Do you even realize how that sounds? This isn't a case of just not getting something you want, it is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to have the ability to be there for your parents when they are old and in need.
Again, you would NOT say this if our government was denying you the ability to see, spend time with, and care for your parents in their last years. You would consider it to be exactly what it is, an indefensible attack on your liberty.
My wife didn't "decide" to immigrate here, she went to college here and we happened to meet. She's here for ME, and me only. Imagine our government forcing your parents to die thousands of miles away from any family. You would be OUTRAGED.
Why feel the need to be "objective"? It is what it is, a garbage proposal on all grounds.
Particularly when considering that the very group it purports to help, illegals, will for the most part be unable to participate meaningfully in the "relief" put forth. The costs are exhorbitant ($5,000 in filing fees alone, not to mention attorney costs? How many illegals standing outside of the local Home Depot can afford to pay that?), it requires "stablizing" the borders first, which of course means those provisions will NEVER go into effect, and contains the absurd demand of returning eventually to their home country to obtain a visa. Of course, when they leave we have the 10 year bar to worry about, not to mention the likelihood of MANY being denied visas ultimately at the Consulate anyway.
Then there's the new so-called merit based system for immigrant visas. It's untested, it puts the ultimate decision of whether we have a labor shortage in a given area and occupation in the hands of executive agencies that can't find their own heads they're so far up their asses and that take months of dithering to make almost any decisions, and is modeled after Canada, a country with an entire population that is rivalled by several states in the U.S. alone, and has an immigration rate that is infinitesimal compared to the U.S. Awesome! Great model to use, after all, Canada is SO SIMILAR to the U.S. in terms of size, labor needs, immigration rate, unpopulated land, and economic position! Oh, wait, it's actually completely different in ALL those respects...hmmm
Then there's H-1B relief, the number of proposed increased H-1 visas still means a lottery on April 1, 2008 to determine who gets one and who doesn't.
Seriously, the bill is trash, and there are dozens of reasons why it utterly fails to deliver on any front.
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quote: Originally posted by Blacksword:
"but its a fact of ife, we can't always have what we want."
"Want" has nothing to do with it. Do you even realize how that sounds? This isn't a case of just not getting something you want, it is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to have the ability to be there for your parents when they are old and in need.
Again, you would NOT say this if our government was denying you the ability to see, spend time with, and care for your parents in their last years. You would consider it to be exactly what it is, an indefensible attack on your liberty.
My wife didn't "decide" to immigrate here, she went to college here and we happened to meet. She's here for ME, and me only. Imagine our government forcing your parents to die thousands of miles away from any family. You would be OUTRAGED.
Why feel the need to be "objective"? It is what it is, a garbage proposal on all grounds.
Particularly when considering that the very group it purports to help, illegals, will for the most part be unable to participate meaningfully in the "relief" put forth. The costs are exhorbitant ($5,000 in filing fees alone, not to mention attorney costs? How many illegals standing outside of the local Home Depot can afford to pay that?), it requires "stablizing" the borders first, which of course means those provisions will NEVER go into effect, and contains the absurd demand of returning eventually to their home country to obtain a visa. Of course, when they leave we have the 10 year bar to worry about, not to mention the likelihood of MANY being denied visas ultimately at the Consulate anyway.
Then there's the new so-called merit based system for immigrant visas. It's untested, it puts the ultimate decision of whether we have a labor shortage in a given area and occupation in the hands of executive agencies that can't find their own heads they're so far up their asses and that take months of dithering to make almost any decisions, and is modeled after Canada, a country with an entire population that is rivalled by several states in the U.S. alone, and has an immigration rate that is infinitesimal compared to the U.S. Awesome! Great model to use, after all, Canada is SO SIMILAR to the U.S. in terms of size, labor needs, immigration rate, unpopulated land, and economic position! Oh, wait, it's actually completely different in ALL those respects...hmmm
Then there's H-1B relief, the number of proposed increased H-1 visas still means a lottery on April 1, 2008 to determine who gets one and who doesn't.
Seriously, the bill is trash, and there are dozens of reasons why it utterly fails to deliver on any front.
How long have you been married and what stage is she in currently (LPR - waiting the time to become naturalized). How close is she to being able to petition for her father?
God Bless America and everyone else!
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I do not think this bill having a chance of passing without any revisions. Or passed altogether. We will hold our breath and wait to see how it comes out.
Contact your congressman, senator and voice your opinion.
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quote: Originally posted by said:
just a simple question
I am apart of my wife ( due to the long procedures ) of K3 visa since 3 years now.(my case is still pending administrative processing for 10 monthes)
will the new bill lengthen the procedures time?
yes or no as you understood from the new law?
please advise
I know one thing is for certain. When you add 12 milllion new people to an already strained USCIS system, there couldn't be one single category of immigration that's not affected negatively. |
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Templar - do you think 12 million people are going to come out of the shadows based on this piece of legislation? Maybe I'm not understanding correctly, but I'm reading where they will have to return to their home country and apply through the proper channels at some point. Basically, go to the end of the line (which I think is a good thing). How many of the 12 million + people are going to do this? Why would they come out of hiding if they have to pay substantial fines and still be deported for a period of time? This whole piece of legislation is going to bog this country down - if it is enacted. From what I understand, there is still a backlog from the last amnesty.
God Bless America and everyone else!
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"Want" has nothing to do with it. Do you even realize how that sounds? This isn't a case of just not getting something you want, it is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to have the ability to be there for your parents when they are old and in need. Again, you would NOT say this if our government was denying you the ability to see, spend time with, and care for your parents in their last years. You would consider it to be exactly what it is, an indefensible attack on your liberty. My wife didn't "decide" to immigrate here, she went to college here and we happened to meet. She's here for ME, and me only. Imagine our government forcing your parents to die thousands of miles away from any family. You would be OUTRAGED. There IS an alternative.... try immigrating to Japan, maybe then you won't think the US immigration system quite so bad  |
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| Posts: 73 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 03-27-2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Why would they come out of hiding if they have to pay substantial fines and still be deported for a period of time?
They're still allowed to return to the USA, and its only the head of household that is required to return home. Besides, what are the alternatives? Remain in the shadow in this world, where an arrest will means permanent bar from the US and risk losing everything they've achieve so far? This will be their best shot for legalization and US citizenship. I'll be surprised if significant majority of the 12 millions illegals didn't take advantage of this. |
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do you think that the debate will change anything or they just will force it and make it effective on Monday?
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Power Member
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The proposed "grand bargain" is all but a reality. What we have is just a skeleton, not a definite bill; it doesn't even have a name or a bill number yet!
Last year the House actually passed a bill, H.R.4437 and it died in the hands of the Senate. The "grand bargain" has not been introduced yet, debated or formally discussed. The bill could take a very different form when passed, if ever, by the Senate. Then the House "could" debate it, but even that remains a remote possibility.
Last year the Senate got started with the Specter bill, it evolved into the SJC markup, and then turned into the Hagel-Martinez compromise; after all that, the bill that passed contained many different provisions, tons of amendments and a very different structure.
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Huoston
but in all cases I think it will slow the motion of our cases worse and put the family based visa in the bottom of any priority, the reform shows huge change in their point of view about the quality or type of illegal they want to be in USA, the one who can add scientific revolutions to the States not the normal person or the one who has a family and want to unite with them, do not you think?
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I just read the draft of the bill and there doesn't seem to be almost anything good in it. What happened to "reform"? This bill is a mess, it's exactly the same kind of a mess that the immigration law was to begin with. The real reform would have to be much, much more comprehensive and the focus should be on cleaning up the arbitrary and inconsistent provisions and harmonizing the law, removing the permanent bans, restoring fairness and providing more ways for people who happen to be locked into some arbitrary hole of the law. Instead of providing any relief they're just making the law even more strict!!! How is that "reform"??? The only people getting any relief are the illegals. I am sympathetic to them, but why is it being made harder for everyone else?
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