Didn't expect them to be able to enforce the "return to home country" requirement, but looks like they did. The education points is another bonus. Now, we'll see what the House will do.
The proposal would limit family-based migration to immediate family members and establish a merit-based system by which future migrants could earn points for skills, education, understanding of English and family ties.
You can get the visa right upfront. What is not clear is that within the 8 years window given to apply for perm residency, can you travel to other countries back and forth before returning to your home country?
does it help the family unity or give priority to the worker based visa? my case is K3 and it is pending admin. processing since 10 monthes. i need to know it will help or focus on worker visa?
By design, it shouldn't take precedence over those whose already in queue, but I doubt it. One thing for sure, it'll lengthen processing time for all visa categories.
Does it affect US citizens sponsor their parents ? From the language of various news I read, it looks like only "immediate family" (e.g spouses and children) are un affected. If it takes longer or impossible for US citizen to sponsor their parents, then this is a really sad news.
Originally posted by andy: Does it affect US citizens sponsor their parents ? From the language of various news I read, it looks like only "immediate family" (e.g spouses and children) are un affected. If it takes longer or impossible for US citizen to sponsor their parents, then this is a really sad news.
Sadly, it appears that these so-called compromise will punish legal family based immigrants even worse. Oh's website indicates that 4 family based category will be eliminated, and it'll set a cap of 40,000 and 87,000 per fiscal year for the parents of USC and children & spouse of LPR. It did state that 440,000 visas will be allocated to solve the backlog though. Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2007
Need more info on these so-called merit-based system in which employment-based green card will be based on.
I know this will probably provoke a backlash, but in my opinion... The US has to do what is right for America, those immigrants granted the PRIVILEGE of working/living in the US HAS to be based on the contribution those immigrants can make to America, not solely for the benefit of the immigrant.
Family based immigration should be uncapped for immediate family, husbands, wives and minor children NEED to be together to function as a family unit, I don't believe this extends to parents family units function perfectly well without the need for the parents to immigrate too, either the parents, or the immigrants can travel to visit each other and modern technology makes it easy to keep in touch with less immediate family. There has to be a line drawn somewhere and no matter where that line is drawn, it is going to upset someone.
Posts: 73 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 03-27-2007
"Family based immigration should be uncapped for immediate family, husbands, wives and minor children NEED to be together to function as a family unit, I don't believe this extends to parents family units function perfectly well without the need for the parents to immigrate too, either the parents, or the immigrants can travel to visit each other and modern technology makes it easy to keep in touch with less immediate family."
This is a typical, ignorant, and self-absorbed perspective, and one I'm sure many Americans, including our "honorable" Congressmen share. It's also absolutely wrong, and cruel, and believe me, if YOUR aging parents were left alone and helpless to fend for themselves halfway around the world, you'd feel differently.
This legislation, if it goes through, will destroy my family. I am a USC, born and bred, of white, Scotts-Irish background, I'm as American as they come. But it appears, from America's viewpoint, I made a serious mistake...I fell in love with and married a foreigner, specifically from Japan.
My wife is an only child, her father is in his mid-70's, now retired, and completely alone, her mother having died years ago. She is in the painful process of GIVING UP HER JAPANESE CITIZENSHIP in order to naturalize here so that she can petition for him to come live with us in his dottage.
What happens now? What becomes of a man who has given more money to this ungrateful, xenophobic country of fearful bigots than most US Citizens will in their entire lives? He is well-off, and being an only child, my wife has benefitted from his generosity GREATLY over the 10+ years she has lived in the U.S. He has paid (IN CASH MIND YOU) for new cars for her, including, in the last four years, a brand new Escalade, Touareg, VW Beetle, Acura, and Explorer, one after the other. He has POURED TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars into this economy through her purchase of obscenely expensive designer clothes, purses, sunglasses, you name it.
And now he's not considered worthy to live here it seems. A fine country we are making indeed. What happens to him when he can no longer take care of himself, and that day is coming...to whom does an old man with no relatives save one daughter who will now be legally PREVENTED from helping him turn in his last years of frailty?
The result of this legislation is, my wife will be forced to leave me, return to Japan, and take care of him. I may never see her again. The only other option is for her to let her father DIE IN THE STREET like an abandoned stray. Our government, in its infinite hypocrisy, claims to value "family". Why, "family values" are so important that, in the midst of a reprise of the Vietnam debacle, we needed to have a national debate about whether to amend the Constitution to ban *** marriage...But I can say with near certainty, here's one family that will be torn apart by the very government that claims to act in support of families.
To all of you who identify with the view expressed by Eeyore, I ask you to honestly think for one minute about your mother, your father. I know for some it's an impossible task to consider that people from other countries have feelings, a soul, the same yearnings and intrinsic human value that Americans have, but try. Imagine your father as an old and frail man, imagine your mother sick, weak, unable to live on their own. Now imagine OUR federal government prohibiting you from caring for them, removing them far from any relatives, and leaving them to die alone. How would you feel if you were PREVENTED from helping them by your own government?
America ****s, and it's getting worse, sadly. We didn't used to ****, once we were the best place to be in the recorded history of the world. This is the aftermath of September 11th, Osama and the terrorists will win, they will destroy this country, not by military might, not by invasion and conquest, not even by loss of economic power and influence, but rather by loss of our souls. We have truly lost sight of what made us great.
Alexis de Tocqueville once said "America is great because America is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." We have lost our way, and we are on the road to irrelevance as a result.
This legislation, and its effects, are not good. We would help some immigrants, and in exchange feel it necessary to harm others. How did it come to this?
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In my opinion, this bill is geared mostly toward the illegal Hispanic population. After all, they are the majority. That it is not a family friendly bill bothers me too. I haven't read all contents yet, but from what I've seen about the new visa for illegal immigrants and guest worker program, we're only opening up the gates for more fraud.
No, Blacksword, they weren't considering all of the legal immigrants and their various situations when they came up with this bill.
Actually ProudUSC, I think they did took that into consideration and they're purposedly doing this to satisfy the anti-illegals crowd by toughening immigration regulation on both the illegal side (strict border control and employment) as well as the legal side (family and employment based immigration). The end resul t is aimed to stem down the flood of immigration toward the US.
If people in Blacksword's situation are forced to go home, then they'll argue its their own choosing. If their relatives tried to enter illegally, they'll be caught by the supposedly stricter border control and immigration enforcement. As it has been the case lately, legal immigrants are once again being shoved aside in favor of the illegals. I'll be naive to dismiss the notion that this is not for the fact that most illegals are hispanic, and hispanic support are mostly sought after in the political arena now.
As counter argument for Eeyore, why would US took in an illegal family of 6 that would burden the taxpayer more, instead of Blacksword's in-law who's not only self-sufficient, but contributes greatly to the govt next round of free spending?
Originally posted by Blacksword: "Family based immigration should be uncapped for immediate family, husbands, wives and minor children NEED to be together to function as a family unit, I don't believe this extends to parents family units function perfectly well without the need for the parents to immigrate too, either the parents, or the immigrants can travel to visit each other and modern technology makes it easy to keep in touch with less immediate family."
This is a typical, ignorant, and self-absorbed perspective, and one I'm sure many Americans, including our "honorable" Congressmen share. It's also absolutely wrong, and cruel, and believe me, if YOUR aging parents were left alone and helpless to fend for themselves halfway around the world, you'd feel differently.
This legislation, if it goes through, will destroy my family. I am a USC, born and bred, of white, Scotts-Irish background, I'm as American as they come. But it appears, from America's viewpoint, I made a serious mistake...I fell in love with and married a foreigner, specifically from Japan.
My wife is an only child, her father is in his mid-70's, now retired, and completely alone, her mother having died years ago. She is in the painful process of GIVING UP HER JAPANESE CITIZENSHIP in order to naturalize here so that she can petition for him to come live with us in his dottage.
What happens now? What becomes of a man who has given more money to this ungrateful, xenophobic country of fearful bigots than most US Citizens will in their entire lives? He is well-off, and being an only child, my wife has benefitted from his generosity GREATLY over the 10+ years she has lived in the U.S. He has paid (IN CASH MIND YOU) for new cars for her, including, in the last four years, a brand new Escalade, Touareg, VW Beetle, Acura, and Explorer, one after the other. He has POURED TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars into this economy through her purchase of obscenely expensive designer clothes, purses, sunglasses, you name it.
And now he's not considered worthy to live here it seems. A fine country we are making indeed. What happens to him when he can no longer take care of himself, and that day is coming...to whom does an old man with no relatives save one daughter who will now be legally PREVENTED from helping him turn in his last years of frailty?
The result of this legislation is, my wife will be forced to leave me, return to Japan, and take care of him. I may never see her again. The only other option is for her to let her father DIE IN THE STREET like an abandoned stray. Our government, in its infinite hypocrisy, claims to value "family". Why, "family values" are so important that, in the midst of a reprise of the Vietnam debacle, we needed to have a national debate about whether to amend the Constitution to ban *** marriage...But I can say with near certainty, here's one family that will be torn apart by the very government that claims to act in support of families.
To all of you who identify with the view expressed by Eeyore, I ask you to honestly think for one minute about your mother, your father. I know for some it's an impossible task to consider that people from other countries have feelings, a soul, the same yearnings and intrinsic human value that Americans have, but try. Imagine your father as an old and frail man, imagine your mother sick, weak, unable to live on their own. Now imagine OUR federal government prohibiting you from caring for them, removing them far from any relatives, and leaving them to die alone. How would you feel if you were PREVENTED from helping them by your own government?
America ****s, and it's getting worse, sadly. We didn't used to ****, once we were the best place to be in the recorded history of the world. This is the aftermath of September 11th, Osama and the terrorists will win, they will destroy this country, not by military might, not by invasion and conquest, not even by loss of economic power and influence, but rather by loss of our souls. We have truly lost sight of what made us great.
Alexis de Tocqueville once said "America is great because America is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." We have lost our way, and we are on the road to irrelevance as a result.
This legislation, and its effects, are not good. We would help some immigrants, and in exchange feel it necessary to harm others. How did it come to this?
Blacksword.... I am sorry to hear of your plight and I understand the way you feel, I am not heartless as you seem to think, I was talking in general terms, obviously there are certain circumstances for some that maybe ought to be considered, although I doubt the resources would ever be available to check each case for merit or possible fraud.
Obviously in my initial post there was not room to cover the topic in entirity, your father-in-laws case looks like a ' case in point ' for parental immigration, but what about all the other who haven't or wouldn't contribute to the economy, all the poor sick elderly who's children living here in the US couldn't support their elderly parents the way I assume you and your wife can, should they just be allowed to come here for the benefits ???
Maybe that sounds harsh too, but its a fact.
Without wanting to sound heartless, is it not possible for your father in law to get assisted living or similar care in Japan, if, in his elderly years the cost is a problem, perhaps you and your wife could repay the generosity he has shown you in the past?.
Posts: 73 | Location: Missouri, USA | Registered: 03-27-2007
See, this is what's funny about America today, we already have laws on the books, but they aren't enforced, and then the response is, rather than enforcing those laws, let's make new, ridiculously harsh laws instead.
Elderly, or youthful, for that matter, immigrants are not "allowed" to just come here and **** up social benefits, medicare, social security, etc. NOW. Petitioners for family members are required to sign an affidavit of support taking an OATH to provide for and meet their family members' needs in the U.S.
People who sign this affidavit and then who try to get their relatives on social benefits should be sued, fined, etc. It's already forbidden, it's just not enforced. If we petition for my father-in-law, we and he must take care of him, no one else, including the government.
And, in response to the last post, how in the Nine Hells is getting him assisted living in Japan "repaying" anything??? Let's see, here's your reward for all your love and devotion to your daughter, dying in a rest home alone with the only family you have 6,000 miles away.
He wants to BE WITH HIS DAUGHTER, just like any old man. Just like YOUR father would, he doesn't want to be left to rot alone in a rest home, no matter how fancy-pants the place might be.
Again, this legislation is garbage, and it shows one thing clearly: the rhetoric from so-called conservatives about not hating immigrants, only illegal immigration, is B.S. They hate and fear ALL immigrants, else why would they feel it necessary to reach out with unwarranted animosity to harm would-be LEGAL immigrants if they are going to deign to "help" other, illegal ones? In their minds, if we are going to accept the increased immigration of one group, namely, illegals, then we must strictly curtail immigration of some other groups. Otherwise, why, we'll be overrun by the brown horde, after all.
The truth should be clear, these people hate foreigners of ALL kinds, it's just that it's easier and more defensible to SAY that you only hate illegals as a way to fight for as little immigration as possible without looking like a bigot.
Sigh....this confirms my fears. I seriously hope this bill will not get passed, or the family part get rejected. I will be able to apply for USC next summer and plan to sponsor my parents as soon as I become USC. This will destroy my plan. I wish nothing more than to get my old parents here to live their life with their children and grandchildren. Of course, I'm wealthy enough to take care of them without the goverment help. As someone mentioned, the new bill ignores family-based immigration in favor of illegal-immigration.
I would disagree though that the bill is geared towards Hispanic illegal immigrants and future guest workers. Hardly so. Mind you the new points system will actually bar most of them from taking up residence. Vast majority won't satisfy the basic points system which will award those with better skills, those who are educated and able to contribute rather than rely on the social system and be a burden. The lawmakers probably realize that the US is not a sole power in the world, not for much longer, and it has to compete with Europe, China and India, rapidly rising economic powers. The bill is hardly Mexican friendly. I think it's geared towards educated Indians, Chinese and Europeans, who don't necesserily have family ties in the US. So far, if you look at the current immigration system, the quota for job based visas were extremely limited. A foreigner graduating from an American college has little to no chance of applying for residency afterwards.
I think the points system is an excellent idea. But I agree with all of you who say that basic constitutional rights of American citizens are taken away. What I think is happening, is there are certain limits on immigration set by the law, and in order to allow more work based immigration, they had to cut somewhere else, and unfortunately those had to be extended family members. Who, I guess according to the lawmakers, are seen more as passive burden than active contributors.
Yes, it's all about money and economy. What about the family values Republicans?
just a simple question I am apart of my wife ( due to the long procedures ) of K3 visa since 3 years now.(my case is still pending administrative processing for 10 monthes) will the new bill lengthen the procedures time? yes or no as you understood from the new law? please advise
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