So, what you think?

Maybe this can become a wave across this country.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1031...l-Anchor-Baby-births

Thank you for sharing this information. I hope all states will adopt similiar legislation.

I am not against legal immigration only illegal immigration.

California is finally getting wise!

Someone In California, sign for me please. thnks.

In order to get this passed without major problems they will need to deal with the free health care issue. That and how benefits are distributed.

As it stands now. Anyone who walks into a hospital can't be turned away. By mandating fingerprinting and ID checks the ACLU will tear into this and probably win.

One thing they can do is require those receiving welfare checks to be US citizens. The beneficiary is supposed to be a USC, but how often is the beneficiary the person who the check is written out to? Nearly never. The law needs to recognize the fact the person who the check is written to is also a beneficiary. Do that and the rest of it will be easy to implement.

Nice idea, but a more effective route would be state initiatives that outlaw driver's licenses or benefits to illegals. Those would have easier time surviving constitutional scruitiny. The threat is not anchor babies, but the fact that their parents are given benefits and not deported. If we deported or denied benefits to wets, then there would be alot fewer anchor babies. Also, an anchor baby is an anchor only based on family unification visa policy. End family unification visas and then there is no anchor.

Lets use our energy on real solutions.

Why do you have such hate towards babies/children calico?
You hate children with disabilities like Downs, in fact anything to do with children you have issues with.

Very strange.

Sprint girl never met a lazy welfare recipient illegal alien she did not like.

It's a dumb idea. Contact the ACLU and every civil rights org you can think off to end this stupid idea.

It isn't a bad idea to preserve our state.

California has been over run with illegals and is currently near bankruptcy. This is in no small part a direct result of the vast number of illegals residing here. The same as in every other state where illegal aliens have viciously abused programs and benefits intended for it's decent honest citizens.

The available methods to control this stampede have not been utilized. Laws are written. But what good are they if ICE and border patrol keep getting their collective hands tied by politicians pandering for future votes from current illegals.

In the 1980's Reagan created an amnesty for the then 2 million illegals. The idea sold to America at the time no different than now. Make those who are here legal and we will keep anymore from coming in. A way to pacify both sides of the debate. The American people were sold out. What it created was an open invitation and incentive for more to come flooding over. A motivation provided by the hope of more amnesty by force of numbers. And they have. Six times as many this time around. No serious preventative steps were taken to stop the tide.

It is time to stop the madness, insanity , and belief we are somehow the obligatory provider of all cures to the world's ills.

I dunno why Calico is ranting about so-called "anchor babies". Anybody who knows Immigration law enough will know the anchor child has to be 21 before they can petition for immediate family members. That leaves at least 21 years before the illegal parents can become legal here.

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I dunno why Calico is ranting about so-called "anchor babies". Anybody who knows Immigration law enough will know the anchor child has to be 21 before they can petition for immediate family members. That leaves at least 21 years before the illegal parents can become legal here.

21 Years of fraud and illegal activity perpetuating the fraud!!!! Imagine The damage That can be caused in 21 years??? Not enforced!!!!

Equally 21 yrs+ living in the shadows. Would you like that MIR?

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Equally 21 yrs+ living in the shadows. Would you like that MIR?

Depends on where you reside??? Many That Manipulate and Decieve already aware Of the Loopholes!!! They feel quite safe!!!! Trust Me!!!!
Not worried!!!

Example: Illegal immigrant, no drivers license, gets pulled over speeding, no status. Since The Perpetrator Really does Not exsist within the sytem, $50 dollar fine and cannot drive away.
court Time! I am sorry your Honor i did not Understand? No Drivers License, Speeding, $50 Fine. End game = $50 dollar fine and I dont want to see you In my Courtroom Again!!!

BRIT, USA = HUGE!! And The variables of Law Just as Huge!!!

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Equally 21 yrs+ living in the shadows. Would you like that MIR?

They have a choice. No one is forcing them to stay. They can just as easily go home or abide by the rules and make their case. But in no way should that justify the miscarriage of social justice doled out to the people of the state. Should we be stuck paying the bills for a border country's throwaways? This is a problem with Mexico.


At present, the state of California is issuing IOU's to employees, contractors, and as state tax refunds. What about those people? Can they pay their bills with an IOU? Will their creditors forgive the late payments on their legitimate mortgages or credit cards? I doubt it. Is it fair to the good people of this state? Absolutely not.

The biggest portion of the state budget is education. Anyone care to take a stab at the number of mexcian illegal alien anchor babies in the education system? A lot. So much so that if they weren't there we would have a huge budget surplus.

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Equally 21 yrs+ living in the shadows. Would you like that MIR?

They have a choice. No one is forcing them to stay. They can just as easily go home or abide by the rules and make their case. But in no way should that justify the miscarriage of social justice doled out to the people of the state. Should we be stuck paying the bills for a border country's throwaways? This is a problem with Mexico.


At present, the state of California is issuing IOU's to employees, contractors, and as state tax refunds. What about those people? Can they pay their bills with an IOU? Will their creditors forgive the late payments on their legitimate mortgages or credit cards? I doubt it. Is it fair to the good people of this state? Absolutely not.

The biggest portion of the state budget is education. Anyone care to take a stab at the number of mexcian illegal alien anchor babies in the education system? A lot. So much so that if they weren't there we would have a huge budget surplus.

This Is NATIONWIDE PROBLEM!!! And getting Worse!!!

Ok, bottom line is..the bigger problem. That of a 3rd world country bordering a 1st world one. There will always be illegal immigration until that problem is solved. No amount of fences or laws will stop it. True the Mexican Government could and should do more to help their citizens out of poverty. Trouble is, their Government is corrupt with money and bribes from the drugs barons who pretty much run Mexico. Whose buying the drugs? All those living in the USA! The reason there has been increased violence in Mexican/USA border towns is because of the Mexican Government attempting to reclaim power from the drug barons who won't give up their turf easily. More misery for the locals sadly.

I don't know what the solution is but I don't think fences and laws will in itself stop illegal immigration.

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Ok, bottom line is..the bigger problem. That of a 3rd world country bordering a 1st world one. There will always be illegal immigration until that problem is solved. No amount of fences or laws will stop it. True the Mexican Government could and should do more to help their citizens out of poverty. Trouble is, their Government is corrupt with money and bribes from the drugs barons who pretty much run Mexico. Whose buying the drugs? All those living in the USA! The reason there has been increased violence in Mexican/USA border towns is because of the Mexican Government attempting to reclaim power from the drug barons who won't give up their turf easily. More misery for the locals sadly.

I don't know what the solution is but I don't think fences and laws will in itself stop illegal immigration.

Anything regarding immigration I ever share Is not limited to one single culture Or origen. I Condemn Them All In The Terms Of ILLEGAL!! If That Is the direction!!! Truth, Honesty, Morals, Values for self and the community they wish/Choose to reside!!! Just follow The rules within The area they reside!!! Do not Be One of moral turpitude!!! anything That goes against The Way and lifestyle, Freedom of the community You reside!!! Do Not Inject TROUBLE!!! Be a decent human being And Have respect for Youself And The others around You!!! and The place you reside!!!

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Ok, bottom line is..the bigger problem. That of a 3rd world country bordering a 1st world one. There will always be illegal immigration until that problem is solved. No amount of fences or laws will stop it. True the Mexican Government could and should do more to help their citizens out of poverty. Trouble is, their Government is corrupt with money and bribes from the drugs barons who pretty much run Mexico. Whose buying the drugs? All those living in the USA! The reason there has been increased violence in Mexican/USA border towns is because of the Mexican Government attempting to reclaim power from the drug barons who won't give up their turf easily. More misery for the locals sadly.

I don't know what the solution is but I don't think fences and laws will in itself stop illegal immigration.

Easy solution. Any problem can be solved if you break it down to it's fundamental parts. I'm sure there are similarly situated examples on a small scale. A nice home bordered by a shack. A shack with people of questionable moral virtues. Persons who see nothing wrong with and justify theft by their own status of having less.

The person who owns the nice home has an absolute right to it and the benefits earned by their labor. Rights that should not be usurped by anyone. Regardless the moto on the statue of liberty that says give me your tired, your poor.... It doesn't state those things be done at the expense of others already here. That is where the pro-illegal argument falls apart. A person who may have less isn't bestowed the privilege of societal plunder. And neither should those who have more fear it.

What does the person who lives in the better house do? At first he may try to be civil and ask the neighbor to watch over and control themselves. Once that fails he may call the police when he sees them crawling over his fence. The police are slow to respond and by the time they arrive the reprobates have scurried off. In most states a person has the right to defend his property against thieves and vandals. As does our constitution charge the government with defending it's citizens against foreign invasion of any sort.

It's not about envy of others necessarily. I think many of the illegals have no choice in terms of either:

a) stay in Mexico and starve to death or
b) cross into the USA to find work to survive.

Faced with that scenario, which would you do? That's the moral issue.

Have you ever been involved to any degree with these people? I have. The truth is this. Mexico isn't as bad a place as it's being made out to be. Sure, if you drop out of school and do nothing with your life, you'll have a tough time. How many engineers and doctors are sneaking across? About nil.

What we are getting are the dregs of mexican society. Most of these people are ignorant by their own devices, habits, or lack of motivation. The moral debate stops at the self imposed sequence of events in their own life. Neither you or I had a hand in causing them to quit school, keep drinking, or squandering prior opportunities.

It doesn't become our responsibility to coddle and care for them upon their own failure. By doing so it does more harm than good. Is their country as deplorable as the picture we are sold? No, but by supporting their in the shadows lifestyle we help perpetuate the problem. It isn't a safety net. It's flypaper. If forced to turn back the necessity of life itself will provoke them into action. Revolt against themselves or their own country. The result would be a betterment one way or the other.