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The answers are quite simple. Everyone has gotten away with somethig. And most of us have been caught at something else. If we get caught we have to be willing to accept the punishment. Doesn't mean you have to like it or take it smiling. Every criminal act is preceeded with the weighing of risk to reward. What I posted about the flags is at the core of what bothers a lot of people. Most of us wouldn't mind someone who didn't speak the language if it appeared they were making an effort to assimilate and learn. That they weren't trying to force their culture on to our streets. Or waive their flags with indignity above ours. If a person wants to come here then come here 100%. Don't show up with the attitude of I'm going to use you like a $2.00 w hore and spit in your face after I'm done. Respect our laws and customs. Don't try to change it to fit where they came from. Or break them when it becomes inconvenient to follow.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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FYI. Well, if the Mexican flag was flown on a separate staff at the same level as the US flag, it would have met the conditions of our Flag Code. I do not support the flying of flags of other nations in our country (especially being flown above the US flag). However, the code actually allows for it. See below:
I have a neighbor flying a Mexican flag and no US flag. Is this a violation of the flag code?
The Flag Code (see below) requires that the US flag be flown on federal institutions, including public schools. It does not require you to fly the US flag and it does not forbid you from displaying a foreign flag. For example, someone with Irish heritage may proudly fly an Irish flag and is not required to fly the US flag. In the early 1900s there was hostility when the German flag was flown in the US, prompting Theodore Roosevelt to state that we had one flag, and one language. We are again revisiting tensions, this time it is the Mexican flag. We understand the emotional tensions of the situation, however, the Flag Code (see below) does not support those who wish to forbid the flying of the Mexican flag within our borders without also flying the US flag.
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I you fly a FOREIGN flag then you are a FOREIGNER and do not deserve the respect or the rights of an AMERICAN. What is legal and what is moral are different. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ****ATION TO ALL OTHERS !!!  Impeach Obama ! ............................... SOM - THE VOICE OF REASON |
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
ProudUSC, Its not the legality of it that raises peoples blood pressure. Its the intent. Its the attitude that goes along with flying only the Mexican flag or in this example above ours. What are these people saying when they do that? I think we all know. Instead of appreciation and a little humility for being granted the privilege of being allowed in we get arrogance.
Davdah, I happen to agree with you on this one  . I was just pointing out the facts. I don't want to see flags of other nations flown in our country either. It's disrespectful, period. |
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Anyone that flys a stinky foreign flag on American soil should be killed !!! GOD BLESS AMERICA AND KILL EVERYONE ELSE !!!! Impeach Obama ! ............................... SOM - THE VOICE OF REASON
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Proud USC, I agree with you 100%. It is extremely ignorant and disrespectful for any foreign flag to be flown in our country. Dual citizenship, along with the 14th Amendment should be abolished from the US immigration policy.
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Beverly, while we agree on the flag issue, we don't on the other things you mentioned. There are many reasons why people choose to have dual citizenship. It doesn't mean they haven't pledged their allegiance to this country, but they want to keep ties and avenues open in their home countries as well. As far as the 14th amendment, I don't think you mean abolished - perhaps modified?
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As an Black woman and the descendant of slaves, since there is no more legalized slavery in the US, there is no longer a need for the 14th amendment. It has unfortunately become yet another tool of choice for deceitful illegal alien breedmares to remain in this country or eventually gain citizenship. IMHO, it should be ABOLISHED or RESCINDED. My feelings with regards to dual citizenship? You can't ride two donkeys with one ***, which is what too many foreigners wish to do. Celebrating the traditions of their homelands is fine as long as they do it in their own homes but this is America and if they are merely here for the opportunities our tax dollars provide, they should stay home and fix their respective cesspools.
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I respect your opinion, Beverly. However, the 14th amendment is about more than granting former slaves citizenship rights. It also covers due process and equal protection of citizens. These rights apply to all born or naturalized persons in the United States.
The US born children of immigrants do not automatically grant them a ticket to becoming legal. You can read almost on a daily basis cases where immigrant raids are conducted and parents are separated from their US born children. They are deported without regard of the status of their kids.
As far as dual citizenship, many people do it for various reasons. We are a nation of immigrants, Beverly. What's wrong with incorporating new traditions into our country? Don't you think the same ole same ole is boring? Diversity is a great thing. Instead of trying to fight it, I wish more people would embrace it.
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I would like to reply to Beverly. I understand it's your opinion and you are entitled to it and that entitlement is protected by the very constitution you wish to change merely because you are xenophibic.
Granted a lot of immigrants do come here for a better life, but a lot of people come here to be with the people they love. Coming from a country where racism, xenophobia, and apartheid just recently ended, I am shocked and appalled by the levels of it shown by people like yourself in what is suppose to be one of the most democratic and free country in the world.
People like yourself irk me because you feel justified in your xenophobia yet when you hear of Americans abroad being subject to the very same things you wish immigrants to be subject to, you cry foul.
Growing up in a country of oppression on the basis or race and origin, I used to think Americans were the ones to emulate, but now, I realize that is not true, thanks in large to people like yourself.
And as a proud Black woman of African origin, I will proudly fly the flag of my country of origin in accordance with the laws of this country. And as soon as my husband who is a USC retires, we will return to my countryt of origin, where even though we are a relatively new democracy we are not as xenophobic.
So before you trash immigrants and want to do away with laws such as the 14th amendment, as it is not needed in your opinion, perhaps you should travel a bit to other countries and experience for yourself how it is to be an immigrant in countries where laws like the 14th amendment do not exist.
My message does not in anyway condone illegals or the disregard/breaking of a country's laws.
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quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I respect your opinion, Beverly. However, the 14th amendment is about more than granting former slaves citizenship rights. It also covers due process and equal protection of citizens. These rights apply to all born or naturalized persons in the United States.
The US born children of immigrants do not automatically grant them a ticket to becoming legal. You can read almost on a daily basis cases where immigrant raids are conducted and parents are separated from their US born children. They are deported without regard of the status of their kids.
As far as dual citizenship, many people do it for various reasons. We are a nation of immigrants, Beverly. What's wrong with incorporating new traditions into our country? Don't you think the same ole same ole is boring? Diversity is a great thing. Instead of trying to fight it, I wish more people would embrace it.
The reinterpretation and revisionist history of the original intent with regards to the 14th Amendment does not negate the original reason for its creation, nor should it give a pass to illegal aliens or their foreign offspring deliberately conceived for the purpose of anchoring themselves to America and our tax dollars or any of the entitlements intended for CITIZENS. That being said, you really are preaching to the choir when it comes to the schemes of illegal aliens and their deliberately conceived illegal alien children in order to usurp the sympathy of Americans along with their re-interpreted version of the 14th Amendment. It's amazing how they deliberately pick and choose the laws their anchor babies net them in taxpayer funded freebies such as: link cards, subsidized housing; healthcare and education while learning every possible loophole in our immigration policies, yet they can't seem to grasp the English language nor the laws that are not beneficial in self absorbed schemes to cheat America. USC, we are not a nation of immigrants. As for incorporating new traditions? WE ARE AMERICA WE HAVE OUR OWN TRADITIONS, LANGUAGE AND CULTURE. Transplants that do not wish to embrace it or respect it, need to stay home and celebrate whatever it is they love about their respective countries. As for your statement with regards to diversity? As a black woman who marched with Dr. King, I have no problem diversity, I do however take offense at foreigners raping my country because theirs ****s and then demanding that we embrace what they miss about their homelands. I think all immigrants, legal or illegal that miss their homelands need to go home.
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quote: Originally posted by khaandyce:
I would like to reply to Beverly. I understand it's your opinion and you are entitled to it and that entitlement is protected by the very constitution you wish to change merely because you are xenophibic.
Granted a lot of immigrants do come here for a better life, but a lot of people come here to be with the people they love. Coming from a country where racism, xenophobia, and apartheid just recently ended, I am shocked and appalled by the levels of it shown by people like yourself in what is suppose to be one of the most democratic and free country in the world.
People like yourself irk me because you feel justified in your xenophobia yet when you hear of Americans abroad being subject to the very same things you wish immigrants to be subject to, you cry foul.
Growing up in a country of oppression on the basis or race and origin, I used to think Americans were the ones to emulate, but now, I realize that is not true, thanks in large to people like yourself.
And as a proud Black woman of African origin, I will proudly fly the flag of my country of origin in accordance with the laws of this country. And as soon as my husband who is a USC retires, we will return to my countryt of origin, where even though we are a relatively new democracy we are not as xenophobic.
So before you trash immigrants and want to do away with laws such as the 14th amendment, as it is not needed in your opinion, perhaps you should travel a bit to other countries and experience for yourself how it is to be an immigrant in countries where laws like the 14th amendment do not exist.
My message does not in anyway condone illegals or the disregard/breaking of a country's laws.
*yawns* When you have no basis for your claims and when all else fails, on que people like you break out the name calling/race card. Xenophobe, racist, etc. . . heard it all before. As for the 14th Amendment: " Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The key words"SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF" eliminates the claims of entitlement or citizenship as it is utterly impossible for 2 illegal aliens being capable of conceiving an American citizen. As for traveling to other countries, enough of my tax dollars do my traveling for me, besides since America is becoming a 3rd world cesspool full of foreigners and a multitude of languages, why bother? Have a safe trip back to Africa.
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quote: Originally posted by davdah: 
Thanks davdah. I am sick and tired of foreigners trying to change the culture and dynamics of America. Not only is it rude and ignorant but its offensive as h*ll. I am sick and tired of hearing a multitude of languages that sound like terrorist chatter in public in my own country. These people come here and want to pick and choose what part of America suits them and then force us to conform to their gazillion cultures and 3rd world languages and living conditions in order to accomodate their cesspool levels of comfort. I'm sick of pressing 2 for English in my own country; I'm sick of reading about chickens running around the yards of idiots living in major cities in my country because they miss home; I'm sick of reading about the murder of American citizens at the hands of illegal aliens and the dictators of Messyhole telling Americans how to treat their illegal alien barbarians spilling over our borders and destroying us, our culture, and our country. I've sold one home running from their 3rd world culture and barbaric living conditions, there will not be a next time.
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quote: The key words"SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF" eliminates the claims of entitlement or citizenship as it is utterly impossible for 2 illegal aliens being capable of conceiving an American citizen.
Good try, Beverly. But, the reality is children of two illegal aliens born on US soil are United States Citizens. Even illegals are subject to the jurisdiction thereof - merely by their presence here. Don't shoot the messenger, it is what it is. |
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quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: quote: The key words"SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF" eliminates the claims of entitlement or citizenship as it is utterly impossible for 2 illegal aliens being capable of conceiving an American citizen.
Good try, Beverly. But, the reality is children of two illegal aliens born on US soil are United States Citizens. Even illegals are subject to the jurisdiction thereof - merely by their presence here. Don't shoot the messenger, it is what it is.
Revisionist interpretation USC. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE SUBJECT TO THE JURISIDICTION OF THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS AND HOMELANDS, not the country they entered ILLEGALLY in order to give birth. USC, sorry but there are some things even YOU cannot defend that being what is DEFENSELESS.
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I'm not trying to defend anything. Just giving you the facts.
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quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I'm not trying to defend anything. Just giving you the facts.
There really is a difference between FACTS and fiction. The FACT of the matter is an illegal alien is just that when outside of the jurisdiction of his/her homeland. Otherwise this board would not exist, the illegal aliens on this board would not be searching for ways of skirting our laws to avoid la migra, attempt to avoid deportation by using their ill gotten anchor babies to shield their illegal presence, nor would they have a reason to scramble and panic for fear of deportation now would they?
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