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Originally posted by SonofMichael:
... And people will marry anyone and do anything to get a green card. They will marry a mental retard, a black, a jew, an ex-convict, a serial rapist, a Democrat, a child molestor, etc.... They don't care.

HEY!!
There is NOTHING wrong w/marrying a black person, Jews can be cool, convicts deserve a second chance, and if there were no Democrats, there could be no Republicans...bitter old man...

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by HelpVictim:
The US Govt requires you to sign I-864 to support someone you genuinely thought loves you and not your passport. When the fraud is discovered and you go to USCIS with the evidence, a hard evidence like taped confessions, USCIS says too bad it happened please move on with your life or take a number and stand in line. Once you are in the boat you will feel the pain.

The US gov't is determining to see if you can support the immigrant spouse. What the US government does not want is for the immigrant to turn tricks on the street, go on welfare because the USC spouse treats the spouse like trash, and so forth. Again, your case is not fraudulent based on the postings you have provided. And just because the marriage did not work out does not make it fraudulent either. You really need some counseling.

Hudson please don't be judgmental without knowing any facts. As I keep telling you again and again, if you were present in person, I can show you every piece of evidence. No two cases are same, especially when you have concrete proof that is completely undeniable with the exception of how the evidence was obtained. I don't need any counseling. What frustrates me is the valuable loss of my years. You have not been in the boat so you will not understand and I pray to God you don't get to see that day.

i think u should move on with your life....he does not want u any more.it is your fault deal with it

Easy to say when you don't have to move on with $60,000+ in debt (home foreclosure, medical bills, etc) and debt that keeps adding up. VAWA lawyers tend to use the "abuse" word as an excuse for the shady immigrant seeker to avoid any of the marital debt.

The American Dream isn't free. I don't think I will be able to recover my losses in divorce regardless of the outcome. An anullment of the marriage would be the best option.

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Sean, I just thought of something. Since the car is not paid off you may be able to do something about it. Call the lender and tell them you want to do a voluntary repo. Doesn't matter if the payments are current or not. As long as your the responsible party on the loan they will come and take the car.

I think it's UICS who has the right to go after
this abuse and fraud complains.. you lied under oath . Both parties lied from their wedding day
right in front of the judge or priest. Both parties lied to UICS.

Remember it wasn't them who made choices its
you who make your own choices.

Some suffer the consequenses because their marriage is all a big LIE.

Some are living happily married because they married for LOVE.

Thanks for the advice davdah. I did attempt to do a volountary surrender of the car, but Toyota Financial won't consider it until the payments are 90 days behind. I will see if I can recover the car through divorce or through an anullment. I already petitioned for divorce and I am working on retaining another attorney with a background in immigration and family law who can help with possibly anulling the marriage.

Sean, please don't take this the wrong way, I am just saying this so you can think about it before you do anything rational.

I am guessing that she had a temporary order in court, where the judge ordered you do pay for this and give her that etc?
You said the court ordered it, so I am guessing that is how it was done.?

If you did something that could go against that order, you could find yourself in indirect contempt.

Davdah does have a good point, however you need to find out what happens if you did do that, what consequences will there be if you did.

What worries me though in your case Sean, is that if you do some things like purposely taking the car away from her so she can't get around and especially get around for your son, this will only show to the courts and immigration that you are mean. Anything you do that could potentially harm her or make things difficult for her and your son, it will look bad for you.

I am not saying that its fair, or that you shouldn't do this or that, but please think about it very carefully before you do anything, or at least discuss it with an attorney first before you stop payment on anything, close anything etc..
If you want to show that she is telling lies about the abuse, you must not give them ammunition to go against you.

If I were you, as you are in financial problem because of this, you need to ask for an amendment of the temporary order, or spousal support.
If you show that you cannot afford everything and do not have anything to live on yourself, then the court will review it.

The car will be a sore point however, unless she can obtain another car and has means to buy one, as she does need the car to take your son to places. I think that is probably why the courts gave her the car.

Please don't take what I said the wrong way, I am only trying to help you think before taking action.

Good luck

I guess I should have prefaced it with the reasoning. I suggested it as more of a CYA move than anything else.

Since she has no license, insurance, etc and if something happens you could be held liable. Since your still married you would be financially responsible for any accidents your wife gets in to. It may also extend to ownership of the car. Depending on the state you as the car owner may be liable for accidents involving your car. Not sure about that but its a possibility. Unless the court will grant you immunity from anything she does. Can't hurt to ask.

Since she is from Guatemala she is used to riding buses and taxis. So it won't be too much of an indignity to suffer by riding a bus.

Actually reading your other post elsewhere, you say you had to give her A car, not THE car, so you had more then one.
You also said that you are sleeping in your car, so I am guessing the court ordered you to give her one of the cars as you had more then one?

If this is true Sean, it will look very bad on you if you do try and take the car away from her.

I don't understand however how she could have got a car when the judge knew she didn't have a DL. Unless they asked her to obtain one.

Are you sure she doesn't have one now Sean? Its quite easy obtaining one if she has right documents.
If she doesn't I would also suggest that your attorney mentions this in court, as rightly as you have put, driving without DL or insurance is illegal.

Davdah, she could be living somewhere with no transport.

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Originally posted by speed_025:
I think it's UICS who has the right to go after
this abuse and fraud complains.. you lied under oath . Both parties lied from their wedding day
right in front of the judge or priest. Both parties lied to UICS.

Remember it wasn't them who made choices its
you who make your own choices.

Some suffer the consequenses because their marriage is all a big LIE.

Some are living happily married because they married for LOVE.

Yup, it all boils down to those 2 situations. I so totally agree.

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Yup, it all boils down to those 2 situations. I so totally agree.

MRS B...

Thank you..
I didn't wanna hurt their feelings but both parties disobeyed the LAW!

Hi Speed_025,

I don't think you did - the members here are intelligent enough to know that we all mean well. Of course, there are also people who entered relationships with all good intentions yet, unfortunately, got paired up with people who are just there for the GC.

There are all kinds of situations that people bring in this forum from both ends of the spectrum and it's all a learning situation for everybody. I, for one, am humbled with the fortitude and strength of those who are trying to survive their relationship problems.

I'll let her keep the car through the winter. It's 0 degrees right now in Minnesota. Can't get into all the details yet until after my divorce is finalized. She won't go without and is "resourceful" enough to get what she wants from another USC. Other male USCs are vulnerable to the victim types...

I suppose it is cold up there. I would still ask the judge for impunity from her actions in your car.

Top 13 signs you're being scammed by your mail-order bride:

1. Does not share in expenses
2. Unwillingness to sign pre-nuptial agreement
3. Unwillingness to have children
4. Lazy/Does not work
5. Goes to school at your expense
6. Has male friends from home country; Previous marriages/Divorces
7. If she is already in the U.S. -check criminal record and public records for any convictions or judgements
8. Infidelity and begs for forgiveness (Absolute deal breaker)
9. Has arguments over nothing
10. Looks for trouble, starts fights, calls police
11. Acts cold, especially after immigration interview
12. Asks for money – THESE ARE ALWAYS SCAMS
For sister’s abortion
For mother’s life saving operation
13. Asks for your trust despite inconsistent stories
(maybe look elsewhere for a non-fraudulent mate...)

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Hi Speed_025,

I don't think you did - the members here are intelligent enough to know that we all mean well. Of course, there are also people who entered relationships with all good intentions yet, unfortunately, got paired up with people who are just there for the GC.

There are all kinds of situations that people bring in this forum from both ends of the spectrum and it's all a learning situation for everybody. I, for one, am humbled with the fortitude and strength of those who are trying to survive their relationship problems

Hi again Mrs Blue,

Thank again for sharing your view with me.

I do symphatize with what what happened to their marriage what their going through..

But I think the DHS is not the one to blame.

Marriage fraud not only happened for international marriage.

Both USC can also get into a bad marriage ends up being abuse get's into court , lost of properties, their cats and dogs. but did they blame the priest or judge who made them sign the papers.

Both foreign nationals marriage can end up beating each other and go to jail in heir native country who do they blame for?

They can't scream they married each other for GC.

United States government is not responsible for their personal life. Although US is knowm for being compassionate to all races doesn't mean they expect justice after they broke the law.

I posted the above, not because I agree with everything it states, but simply as some random tips to pay attention to as warning signs BEFORE jumping into a marriage.
I stick to my original claim that it is NOT DHS's fault if someone PICKS a scammer, it is unfortunate, and I do not blame the victim, but how many "victims" actually waited to get to know the "scammer" before marrying "her"?
How many of these warning signs manifested themselves and were squelched or rationalized away?
I believe in accountability, not just for the accused, but for the accuser as well.
Some lessons you just need to chalk up to life.

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How many of these warning signs manifested themselves and were squelched or rationalized away?
I believe in accountability, not just for the accused, but for the accuser as well.
Some lessons you just need to chalk up to life.

Don't be afraid to open your heart again
someone out there really special will be waitin for you.. Don't let one bad eperience ruin your life. One who did you wrong will get the karma from someone else and where else.
Feel lucky for now you got out.

It isn't so much the idea of blaming DHS for a bad marriage. Its what happens in the process that irks people. Its one thing to go through a normal divorce. But to have your Gov help the enemy is over stepping normal bounds. If a USC marrys a USC neither are entitled to 10 yrs worth of support for 6 months of marriage. Neither are entitled to have a one sided judicial process where the other person is barred from presenting a defense. Neither can tarnish the other's reputation without due process. But for an immigrant they get these benefits heaped upon them. Is an immigrant spouse so much better than a USC that they should receive these extra rewards?

For anyone who is in a legit relationship it can make you nervous that those things are potentially out there to haunt you. For the immigrant it can give them a sense of power or entitlement that can be just as distructive.

I liked your list needhelp. I didn't see refusing to iron clothes on the list though.(lol)